DeadCanDance
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So classified that they admitted to a reporter she worked for them. Yup.
Lets see a link from a credible non-partisan source. You keep asserting this, but never providing a credible link.
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So classified that they admitted to a reporter she worked for them. Yup.
When I consider that Sandy Berger was fined US$50,000, received 2 years probation and 100 hours of community service for actually violating the US Codes regarding classified material (a substantive crime); I find that Libby's sentence was excessive considering his convictions were only process crimes.
I think the US$250,000 fine and probation is appropriate. Regardless of how Libby's appeal of his convictions turns out, I hope this is the last action GWB takes WRT Libby's case.
Lets see a link from a credible non-partisan source. You keep asserting this, but never providing a credible link.
What's a "credible source" to you? OpEds from DU?
I'll take that as a no, you don't have a court source, or a non-partisan mainstream source.
You are correct. Berger plead guilty to misdemeanor charges. And I agree that the prosecutor should NOT have plead that out to a misdemeanor, but should have pursued felony charges. Just another instance where I find fault with GWB's DOJ.Unless you can get the law changed to a felony, what Berger did was a misdeameanor. Personally, I think Berger should have gotten more punishment.
Do you agree that Libby should get the standard punishment for three felony convictions?
You are correct. Berger plead guilty to misdemeanor charges. And I agree that the prosecutor should NOT have plead that out to a misdemeanor, but should have pursued felony charges. Just another instance where I find fault with GWB's DOJ.
Actually that would be four felony counts, no? Yes, but I would have allowed him to remain free pending his appeal of the convictions.
Honest question - I'd appreciate an honest answer from someone who is upset about the pardon:
How has President Bush violated the checks and balances that were established by the Founding Fathers?
A commuting of sentence does not remove the conviction, unlike a pardon which expunges the conviction entirely.
No, this does not violate any checks or balances, and cannot. The power of pardon and commuting of sentence is an express power of the POTUS per the US Constitution, Article II, Section 2.
List of people pardoned by Bill Clinton
Ya better be sitting down to read all of Clintons, could take ya awhile...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton
List of people pardoned by George W. Bush
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_George_W._Bush
I'd like to hear Marc Rich thinks about all of this
ask his wife - she is probably with Bill
anytime Keith Overbite is upset - you know a good thing just happened
Olbermann: For Commutation in 'Greatest Crime of Century' Bush and Cheney Must Resign
Posted by Brent Baker on July 2, 2007 - 21:18.
After naming President George W. Bush as his Worst Person in the World on Monday night for commuting the 30-month prison sentence for Lewis 'Scooter' Libby, MSNBC host Keith Olbermann promised: Tomorrow night here on Countdown, a Special Comment calling on this Vice President and this President to resign.
Olbermann had opened his July 2 show: A President who lied us into war, and in so doing needlessly killed 3,584 of our family and friends and neighbors has freed from the prospect of prison the only man ever to come to trial for one of the component felonies in what may be the greatest crime of this young century.
The MRC's Brad Wilmouth is working on a more detailed piece which should be posted soon.
http://newsbusters.org/node/13883