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What is equality according to you Jake, and should it be as a blanket equality or should people have to strive to better themselves, and then actually qualify themselves to reach certain goals, grades or levels in their life before being granted open and free equality among all the others as being the same when it comes to values, standards and morality ? I think certian criteria as a minimal should be met in life by people, and such standards should be honored in order to have a civilized society that is and remains united on these things. However what we see these days is every door and doorway that once meant something in America, is now being breeched or broken down, and then trampled upon by those who are not team players as one would think that they are. It reminds me of the Alamo now in this nation, and how that garison was over run by Santa Anta and his troops before reinforcements arrived. Texas stood as a beacon of hope for America, and for the American will at the time, and now America must stand again, just like it stood back then all the same.Almost right. Marriage between a man and a woman is not only a "conservative concept" but an historical reality. If it works ... no need to fix it.
No one is fixing anything, kiddo.
Marriage equality in no way harms heterosexual marriage.
This is where I become confused. Marriage s a conservative concept.
Why are conservatives against it and gays for it?
Gays want to be more conservative why don't we let them?
Almost right. Marriage between a man and a woman is not only a "conservative concept" but an historical reality. If it works ... no need to fix it.
No one is fixing anything, kiddo.
Marriage equality in no way harms heterosexual marriage.
Almost right. Marriage between a man and a woman is not only a "conservative concept" but an historical reality. If it works ... no need to fix it.
No one is fixing anything, kiddo.
Marriage equality in no way harms heterosexual marriage.
But it harms the definition of marriage thus creating a lie. It also creates a facade of legitimacy for the practice of homosexuality which is an abnormal practice or act. Until the 1970s (when "gay" activists infiltrated the ranks) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. So ... just because a "gay" activist federal judge and a band of rainbow colored drama queens scream that "gay marriage" is Constitutional doesn't make it so.
What is equality according to you Jake, and should it be as a blanket equality or should people have to strive to better themselves, and then actually qualify themselves to reach certain goals, grades or levels in their life before being granted open and free equality among all the others as being the same when it comes to values, standards and morality ? I think certian criteria as a minimal should be met in life by people, and such standards should be honored in order to have a civilized society that is and remains united on these things. However what we see these days is every door and doorway that once meant something in America, is now being breeched or broken down, and then trampled upon by those who are not team players as one would think that they are. It reminds me of the Alamo now in this nation, and how that garison was over run by Santa Anta and his troops before reinforcements arrived. Texas stood as a beacon of hope for America, and for the American will at the time, and now America must stand again, just like it stood back then all the same.No one is fixing anything, kiddo.
Marriage equality in no way harms heterosexual marriage.
Your opinion is not fact or evidence, merely your feelings. The point is that marriage equality will be determined by law and court decisions. No one on the board has ever offered one compelling reason that marriage equality infringes on civil or religious liberty.
You have every right to them, certainly, but we all have feelings.
Was that science sort of like this Global warming science maybe ? I mean that has been a huge farce now has it not been ? Are the American people being duped in all of this so called science these days ?No one is fixing anything, kiddo.
Marriage equality in no way harms heterosexual marriage.
But it harms the definition of marriage thus creating a lie. It also creates a facade of legitimacy for the practice of homosexuality which is an abnormal practice or act. Until the 1970s (when "gay" activists infiltrated the ranks) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. So ... just because a "gay" activist federal judge and a band of rainbow colored drama queens scream that "gay marriage" is Constitutional doesn't make it so.
Only in your mind. Gays have been married in Massachusetts for over a decade now. If that has caused your marriage to somehow be "less" than it was before, that's your fault and nobody else.
No, it wasn't because "gay activists". Yes, public pressure was part of their decision, but they had actual science to back them up.
Was that science sort of like this Global warming science maybe ? I mean that has been a huge farce now has it not been ? Are the American people being duped in all of this so called science these days ?But it harms the definition of marriage thus creating a lie. It also creates a facade of legitimacy for the practice of homosexuality which is an abnormal practice or act. Until the 1970s (when "gay" activists infiltrated the ranks) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. So ... just because a "gay" activist federal judge and a band of rainbow colored drama queens scream that "gay marriage" is Constitutional doesn't make it so.
Only in your mind. Gays have been married in Massachusetts for over a decade now. If that has caused your marriage to somehow be "less" than it was before, that's your fault and nobody else.
No, it wasn't because "gay activists". Yes, public pressure was part of their decision, but they had actual science to back them up.
There is such a thing as bad science and good science isn't there ?
How can we trust anyone these days I ask of you, as they are all seemingly on the hook or have climbed upon a bandwagon of weridness and in strangeness that is found in their weaknesses these days ?Was that science sort of like this Global warming science maybe ? I mean that has been a huge farce now has it not been ? Are the American people being duped in all of this so called science these days ?Only in your mind. Gays have been married in Massachusetts for over a decade now. If that has caused your marriage to somehow be "less" than it was before, that's your fault and nobody else.
No, it wasn't because "gay activists". Yes, public pressure was part of their decision, but they had actual science to back them up.
There is such a thing as bad science and good science isn't there ?
No, actually climate science hasn't been a "huge farce" if you talk to the scientific community. 97% of them are in consensus on climate change.
Do you know any gay people? If so, do you actually believe they are suffering from a mental disorder?
The Declassification of Homosexuality by the American Psychiatric Association
The American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality from its official Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973. This decision occurred in the context of momentous cultural changes brought on by the social protest movements of the 1950s to the 1970s: beginning with the African-American civil rights movement, then evolving on to the women's and gay rights movements.
Just as influential in the APA's decision were the research studies on homosexuality of the 1940's and 1950's. Alfred Kinsey's and colleagues' study on male and female sexuality marked the beginning of a cultural shift away from the view of homosexuality as pathology and toward viewing it as a normal variant of human sexuality. Kinsey had criticized scientists' tendency to represent homosexuals and heterosexuals as "inherently different types of individuals." [...]
Clellan Ford and Frank Beach's Patterns of Sexual Behavior (1951), relying on data from the Human Relations Area Files, found homosexuality to be common across cultures and to exist in almost all nonhuman species. Their work supported the notion that homosexuality was both natural and widespread.
Psychologist Evelyn Hooker's groundbreaking study compared the projective test results from 30 nonpatient homosexual men with those of 30 nonpatient heterosexual men. The study found that experienced psychologists, unaware of whose test results they were interpreting, could not distinguish between the two groups. This study was a serious challenge to the view that homosexuality was always associated with psychopathology.[...]
Dr. Robert Spitzer and other members of the APA Task Force on Nomenclature and Statistics agreed to meet with a group of gay activists who presented the scientific evidence to its members and convinced the Task Force to study the issue further. The subsequent research review led the Nomenclature Committee of the APA to propose that homosexuality be eliminated from the DSM. This proposal was approved by the APA's Council on Research and Development, its Reference Committee, and by the Assembly of District Branches before being accepted by the APA's Board of Trustees in December 1973. Other major mental health professional organizations, including the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers, soon endorsed the APA action. The decision to declassify homosexuality was accompanied by the passage of an APA Position Statement, which supported the protection of the civil rights of homosexual persons.
How can we trust anyone these days I ask of you, as they are all seemingly on the hook or have climbed upon a bandwagon of weridness and in strangeness that is found in their weaknesses these days ?Was that science sort of like this Global warming science maybe ? I mean that has been a huge farce now has it not been ? Are the American people being duped in all of this so called science these days ?
There is such a thing as bad science and good science isn't there ?
No, actually climate science hasn't been a "huge farce" if you talk to the scientific community. 97% of them are in consensus on climate change.
Do you know any gay people? If so, do you actually believe they are suffering from a mental disorder?
The Declassification of Homosexuality by the American Psychiatric Association
The American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality from its official Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973. This decision occurred in the context of momentous cultural changes brought on by the social protest movements of the 1950s to the 1970s: beginning with the African-American civil rights movement, then evolving on to the women's and gay rights movements.
Just as influential in the APA's decision were the research studies on homosexuality of the 1940's and 1950's. Alfred Kinsey's and colleagues' study on male and female sexuality marked the beginning of a cultural shift away from the view of homosexuality as pathology and toward viewing it as a normal variant of human sexuality. Kinsey had criticized scientists' tendency to represent homosexuals and heterosexuals as "inherently different types of individuals." [...]
Clellan Ford and Frank Beach's Patterns of Sexual Behavior (1951), relying on data from the Human Relations Area Files, found homosexuality to be common across cultures and to exist in almost all nonhuman species. Their work supported the notion that homosexuality was both natural and widespread.
Psychologist Evelyn Hooker's groundbreaking study compared the projective test results from 30 nonpatient homosexual men with those of 30 nonpatient heterosexual men. The study found that experienced psychologists, unaware of whose test results they were interpreting, could not distinguish between the two groups. This study was a serious challenge to the view that homosexuality was always associated with psychopathology.[...]
Dr. Robert Spitzer and other members of the APA Task Force on Nomenclature and Statistics agreed to meet with a group of gay activists who presented the scientific evidence to its members and convinced the Task Force to study the issue further. The subsequent research review led the Nomenclature Committee of the APA to propose that homosexuality be eliminated from the DSM. This proposal was approved by the APA's Council on Research and Development, its Reference Committee, and by the Assembly of District Branches before being accepted by the APA's Board of Trustees in December 1973. Other major mental health professional organizations, including the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers, soon endorsed the APA action. The decision to declassify homosexuality was accompanied by the passage of an APA Position Statement, which supported the protection of the civil rights of homosexual persons.
Then they pick up or join a cause and/or these strange things in which to belong to, and these are things that are totally going against the grain of the wood anymore, yet it is all being justified somehow, and in someway by them. It is rebellion is all that it is, and we see it big time these days as they have been failed in their lives by those for whom they had looked to for guidence. It's really sad what has taken place with them, but it also is going right along with the word and what it says about these things in which will be taking place in the world. Behold for we see the world transforming again right before our very eyes, and the word therefore is found to be thee foundational truth as it had been written down for all to see, and for all to read. It has been spoken, and therefore we shall all know of these things that are written in truth that shall come, and so shall it be just as it were in the days of old.
I don't know what it is anymore to tell you the truth.How can we trust anyone these days I ask of you, as they are all seemingly on the hook or have climbed upon a bandwagon of weridness and in strangeness that is found in their weaknesses these days ?No, actually climate science hasn't been a "huge farce" if you talk to the scientific community. 97% of them are in consensus on climate change.
Do you know any gay people? If so, do you actually believe they are suffering from a mental disorder?
The Declassification of Homosexuality by the American Psychiatric Association
The American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality from its official Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973. This decision occurred in the context of momentous cultural changes brought on by the social protest movements of the 1950s to the 1970s: beginning with the African-American civil rights movement, then evolving on to the women's and gay rights movements.
Just as influential in the APA's decision were the research studies on homosexuality of the 1940's and 1950's. Alfred Kinsey's and colleagues' study on male and female sexuality marked the beginning of a cultural shift away from the view of homosexuality as pathology and toward viewing it as a normal variant of human sexuality. Kinsey had criticized scientists' tendency to represent homosexuals and heterosexuals as "inherently different types of individuals." [...]
Clellan Ford and Frank Beach's Patterns of Sexual Behavior (1951), relying on data from the Human Relations Area Files, found homosexuality to be common across cultures and to exist in almost all nonhuman species. Their work supported the notion that homosexuality was both natural and widespread.
Psychologist Evelyn Hooker's groundbreaking study compared the projective test results from 30 nonpatient homosexual men with those of 30 nonpatient heterosexual men. The study found that experienced psychologists, unaware of whose test results they were interpreting, could not distinguish between the two groups. This study was a serious challenge to the view that homosexuality was always associated with psychopathology.[...]
Dr. Robert Spitzer and other members of the APA Task Force on Nomenclature and Statistics agreed to meet with a group of gay activists who presented the scientific evidence to its members and convinced the Task Force to study the issue further. The subsequent research review led the Nomenclature Committee of the APA to propose that homosexuality be eliminated from the DSM. This proposal was approved by the APA's Council on Research and Development, its Reference Committee, and by the Assembly of District Branches before being accepted by the APA's Board of Trustees in December 1973. Other major mental health professional organizations, including the American Psychological Association and the National Association of Social Workers, soon endorsed the APA action. The decision to declassify homosexuality was accompanied by the passage of an APA Position Statement, which supported the protection of the civil rights of homosexual persons.
Then they pick up or join a cause and/or these strange things in which to belong to, and these are things that are totally going against the grain of the wood anymore, yet it is all being justified somehow, and in someway by them. It is rebellion is all that it is, and we see it big time these days as they have been failed in their lives by those for whom they had looked to for guidence. It's really sad what has taken place with them, but it also is going right along with the word and what it says about these things in which will be taking place in the world. Behold for we see the world transforming again right before our very eyes, and the word therefore is found to be thee foundational truth as it had been written down for all to see, and for all to read. It has been spoken, and therefore we shall all know of these things that are written in truth that shall come, and so shall it be just as it were in the days of old.
Beagle, gays are not mentally ill, our children are fine and nothing is being "transformed". There have always been gays, there will always be gays...we just now live in a society that doesn't treat them like 2nd class citizens. This is not a bad thing.
I don't know what it is anymore to tell you the truth.How can we trust anyone these days I ask of you, as they are all seemingly on the hook or have climbed upon a bandwagon of weridness and in strangeness that is found in their weaknesses these days ?
Then they pick up or join a cause and/or these strange things in which to belong to, and these are things that are totally going against the grain of the wood anymore, yet it is all being justified somehow, and in someway by them. It is rebellion is all that it is, and we see it big time these days as they have been failed in their lives by those for whom they had looked to for guidence. It's really sad what has taken place with them, but it also is going right along with the word and what it says about these things in which will be taking place in the world. Behold for we see the world transforming again right before our very eyes, and the word therefore is found to be thee foundational truth as it had been written down for all to see, and for all to read. It has been spoken, and therefore we shall all know of these things that are written in truth that shall come, and so shall it be just as it were in the days of old.
Beagle, gays are not mentally ill, our children are fine and nothing is being "transformed". There have always been gays, there will always be gays...we just now live in a society that doesn't treat them like 2nd class citizens. This is not a bad thing.
Was that science sort of like this Global warming science maybe ? I mean that has been a huge farce now has it not been ? Are the American people being duped in all of this so called science these days ?But it harms the definition of marriage thus creating a lie. It also creates a facade of legitimacy for the practice of homosexuality which is an abnormal practice or act. Until the 1970s (when "gay" activists infiltrated the ranks) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. So ... just because a "gay" activist federal judge and a band of rainbow colored drama queens scream that "gay marriage" is Constitutional doesn't make it so.
Only in your mind. Gays have been married in Massachusetts for over a decade now. If that has caused your marriage to somehow be "less" than it was before, that's your fault and nobody else.
No, it wasn't because "gay activists". Yes, public pressure was part of their decision, but they had actual science to back them up.
There is such a thing as bad science and good science isn't there ?
What is equality according to you Jake, and should it be as a blanket equality or should people have to strive to better themselves, and then actually qualify themselves to reach certain goals, grades or levels in their life before being granted open and free equality among all the others as being the same when it comes to values, standards and morality ? I think certian criteria as a minimal should be met in life by people, and such standards should be honored in order to have a civilized society that is and remains united on these things. However what we see these days is every door and doorway that once meant something in America, is now being breeched or broken down, and then trampled upon by those who are not team players as one would think that they are. It reminds me of the Alamo now in this nation, and how that garison was over run by Santa Anta and his troops before reinforcements arrived. Texas stood as a beacon of hope for America, and for the American will at the time, and now America must stand again, just like it stood back then all the same.
Your opinion is not fact or evidence, merely your feelings. The point is that marriage equality will be determined by law and court decisions. No one on the board has ever offered one compelling reason that marriage equality infringes on civil or religious liberty.
You have every right to them, certainly, but we all have feelings.
Of course we do all have feelings, and there is no seperating from them as you might think that there is.
Jake, you see feelings are a part of our human nature and/or our DNA make up so to speak, and to try and seperate feelings from the human being is a ridiculous thing, as that is what guides us, and they let us know what our conscience is saying to us, especially on very important things in life. They also help us in the very important times of decision making in our lives as well. Judges have created rules and laws to go by yes, and yet they have done this as human beings also, so feelings are or were involved in these things always. It is the nexus of our very being in this world, and they are always to be used when they are needed to make sound and proper judgements in life. A person who has no feelings, is a person who has no soul or has lost his or her soul or conscience in their life. This is a huge problem these days I think, and it is being taken advantage of now by people who are like you Jake, along with your actions as is known within this thread.
Almost right. Marriage between a man and a woman is not only a "conservative concept" but an historical reality. If it works ... no need to fix it.
No one is fixing anything, kiddo.
Marriage equality in no way harms heterosexual marriage.
But it harms the definition of marriage thus creating a lie. It also creates a facade of legitimacy for the practice of homosexuality which is an abnormal practice or act. Until the 1970s (when "gay" activists infiltrated the ranks) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. So ... just because a "gay" activist federal judge and a band of rainbow colored drama queens scream that "gay marriage" is Constitutional doesn't make it so.
Your discussion on feelings is merely filibabble, beagle9.
Judges do not allow feelings as a nexus to subvert fact and evidence and case law when making decisions.
Live in your subjective world, by all means, but don't inflict it on ours.
Good job on the outting of hypocryts not wanting feelings involved when it counters them, yet that is exactly what is played when bringing so called witness testimony into a court room for exactly that purpose. What is it that is always said about these singing shows, where as an artist has to be more emotionally connected to their performances, as so to get the judges to be more interested ? I think a court room is slam full of emotions and feelings, and this is in hopes of the rulings in which people are always hopeful for and/or are trying to get, whether it is to change things or either keep things intact just the way that they are, be it then successful or maybe not. You either have impact testimony given (or) final results testimony given (or) assumption testimony and/or fact based testimony given (or) victimization testimony given (or) various other kinds of testimony that is given, but most are based on emotional trama or emotions that have come as a result of something that has happened or has not happened yet to people in which they want to avoid or gain control over. These are the things in which then brings on a case that assembles so many people together in trying to figure something out on certain issues or things that are the center of the case when it is being reviewed.Your discussion on feelings is merely filibabble, beagle9.
Judges do not allow feelings as a nexus to subvert fact and evidence and case law when making decisions.
Live in your subjective world, by all means, but don't inflict it on ours.
Funny, in pitching the church of LGBT's case to win more ground on usurping mainstream values last year in Court, they brought up to much sympathy with one of the Justices, "how shaming it would be for kids of gay parents to not see them married". Seems when you want emotions to play in the LGBT favor in court, suddenly they're fair game. But if the other side plucked at the "save the kids instead from people who worship a child sex predator" heartstrings of the Justices, then yes, I'm sure you'd argue that that should be not a consideration...
The ...flexibility...of the church of LGBT is well known and documented. It seems perfectly fine with the alarming rise in HIV in boys ages 13-24 and "doesn't want to talk about it, nor have anyone else talk about it." But if child deaths serve their purpose [gay teen suicides] then you can't shut them up talking about it. One wonders about the fickle affection LGBTs have with youth after all. I mean, if you can worship a guy who officiated as dad to homeless teen boys, while simultaneously sodomizing them, who, one by one [I think 3 for sure] killed themselves later...your compassion for children really does have to come into quesiton. Well, I suppose you can always fake it when the Justices are sitting right in front of you.
Sil and b9 continue filibabbling about feelings, nexuses, the church of something or other, hatred for professionals doing their discipline, and so forth and so on. I am sure the find it tough to be left behind and feel badly about it.
Well, here is where the problem comes in Jake, and this is for the many who are of faith, and do believe in the word for whom see something like being gay as being a sin, and therefore they are teaching their children that it is sin, and that they are not to engage in it. So in this you are going to always have new generations of young people, that are going to look at these things as being wrong, and this no matter what a federal court says to the contrary if these children believe in their parents.No one is fixing anything, kiddo.
Marriage equality in no way harms heterosexual marriage.
But it harms the definition of marriage thus creating a lie. It also creates a facade of legitimacy for the practice of homosexuality which is an abnormal practice or act. Until the 1970s (when "gay" activists infiltrated the ranks) homosexuality was considered a mental disorder. So ... just because a "gay" activist federal judge and a band of rainbow colored drama queens scream that "gay marriage" is Constitutional doesn't make it so.
Your subjective feeling and understanding has no bearing on the issue.
Once upon a time slavery, sexism, racism, homophobia, so forth and so on, were considered normal and acceptable behaviors.
Live in the past if you wish as the world moves forward.
There is a choice but not in the way you mean. A person who is born with an attraction to those of the same sex does have a choice to make. They can closet their feelings and spend their life hiding who they are or they can admit the truth to themselves and the world.You don't become homosexual or for that matter a heterosexual all of the sudden.
Your right, as it is a choice that is made either way in life, so it all comes down to choices, and not giving in to sin when choices are being made at any time in ones life.
Apart from God and his guidence in ones life, there is no telling what people are capable of, and it has been seen over time as to what they are capable of, especially when they make the choices that they make in life without God in their lives. Funny how when those choices are made, that it matters not who it hurts or anything else when the choices are bad ones in which they make, so it always best to thrive to make good choices in ones life, and not allow the devil to win the day as he has been doing more and more and more in this nation it seems.
