Breaking: MSNBC : Prez Obama REJECTS ALL MILITARY OPTIONS IN AFGHANISTAN

[Si modo]

He's waiting for someone to propose a strategy involving ACORN organizing some communities over there.

Honestly, what the fuck, Obama?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

So he rejected a bunch of plans that had no clear end game and exit strategy. Good.

End game and exit stategy. How about a strategy for winning first?

Define victory.

With respect to the left and the Democrats........Retreat.

 

[Vel]

So he rejected a bunch of plans that had no clear end game and exit strategy. Good.

End game and exit stategy. How about a strategy for winning first?

Define victory.

What? You don't own a dictionary? You feel free to play with your strawman.

 

[mdn2000]

This is not breaking news, this was the news the day Obama got elected.

 

[Luissa]

You mean like he did last March!!!???

weren't you guys the ones saying a surge worked in Irag? And last time I checked most said there wasn't enough troops in Afghanistan. Or maybe Bush should of maybe focused on afghanistan instead of Irag, you know the people who were actually behind 9/11.

First of all...the surge worked in Iraq and BUSH NEGOTIATED A TROOP WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT BEFORE HE LEFT OFFICE...

Second...NATO DID NOT COMMIT the number of troops it said it would after 9/11. Bush sent the number of troops he committed to...the European Union failed!!!!!

In March of 2009 with the Iraq War successfully concluding thanks to the Surge Strategy employed by the Bush Administration Obama told the Europeans "We got this one...you guys sit this one out." and revealed a grand strategy.....IT FAILED MISERABLY......now all you lefties want to do is retreat in disgrace.....
Not one of you has the fucking balls to stand up for what's right.....
YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING BELL RINGING QUITTERS!!!!!!

have you heard me say I want us to retreat and quit. Retreating out of afghanistan the first time is the reason we are back here now. So please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Polk]

End game and exit stategy. How about a strategy for winning first?

Define victory.

What? You don't own a dictionary? You feel free to play with your strawman.

Asking you to define what would constitute victory in Afghanistan is a strawman?

 

[Si modo]

Define victory.

What? You don't own a dictionary? You feel free to play with your strawman.

Asking you to define what would constitute victory in Afghanistan is a strawman?

Look it up, Polk.

These are actual lives Obama is playing with. He's the fucking President and he needs to act like one, not campaign.

 

[Polk]

What? You don't own a dictionary? You feel free to play with your strawman.

Asking you to define what would constitute victory in Afghanistan is a strawman?

Look it up, Polk.

These are actual lives Obama is playing with. He's the fucking President and he needs to act like one, not campaign.

This isn't campaigning. I know this may come as a shock to you, but decisions on matters of substance shouldn't be based on coin flips.

 

[potter 58]

ah PP claims victory again, the Moron did years ago, but Iraq is at best a draw unless you buy into a country governed by the law of Islam, which Rummy said would never happen, hey but Jr provided them with national health care and they get it to this day

 

[Article 15]

I think it's time to bring the troops home from Afganistan. Without a strategy of a victory, or an end game, this will end up like Viet Nam, with a lot of our military becoming statistics. I don't want to see that again.....ever.

I agree. If they can't come up with cogent plan to get the entire job done then the best thing to do is get the hell out.

While this may appease many on the left...it will ultimately lead to the Taliban retaking Afghanistan.....then what?

Go back over there AGAIN? At what cost this time? Boston nuked? No thank you.

Obama needs to be Commander in Chief and man up...not a fucking George Soros puppet.

Then we're going to have to rely on our intelligence community (as scary as that sounds) to be ahead of any major attack being planned.

There are no easy answers, Phil, but just sitting around there with our collective dicks in our hand isn't a good plan.

 

[Article 15]

You mean like he did last March!!!???

weren't you guys the ones saying a surge worked in Irag? And last time I checked most said there wasn't enough troops in Afghanistan. Or maybe Bush should of maybe focused on afghanistan instead of Irag, you know the people who were actually behind 9/11.

First of all...the surge worked in Iraq and BUSH NEGOTIATED A TROOP WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT BEFORE HE LEFT OFFICE...

Second...NATO DID NOT COMMIT the number of troops it said it would after 9/11. Bush sent the number of troops he committed to...the European Union failed!!!!!

In March of 2009 with the Iraq War successfully concluding thanks to the Surge Strategy employed by the Bush Administration Obama told the Europeans "We got this one...you guys sit this one out." and revealed a grand strategy.....IT FAILED MISERABLY......now all you lefties want to do is retreat in disgrace.....
Not one of you has the fucking balls to stand up for what's right.....
YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING BELL RINGING QUITTERS!!!!!!

Bush negotiated the troop withdrawal to beat the democrats to the punch when it became blatantly obvious that they were going to take the presidency.

 

[Si modo]

Asking you to define what would constitute victory in Afghanistan is a strawman?

Look it up, Polk.

These are actual lives Obama is playing with. He's the fucking President and he needs to act like one, not campaign.

This isn't campaigning. I know this may come as a shock to you, but decisions on matters of substance shouldn't be based on coin flips.

Shove your coin flip strawman up your dishonest ass. Then, go consult a dictionary.

 

[Vel]

Define victory.

What? You don't own a dictionary? You feel free to play with your strawman.

Asking you to define what would constitute victory in Afghanistan is a strawman?

It is unless you actually don't know what victory means and are using it to deflect this thread away from Obama's lack of policy. But, just in case you really don't know.. victory in Afghanistan would leave a nation that was safe enough for development. It would be a nation that doesn't serve as a haven for the Taliban and drug lords. It would be a nation where a woman wouldn't have to worry that her leg would be amputated because an errant wind lifted her burka and showed her ankle.

 

[Si modo]

This is not breaking news, this was the news the day Obama got elected.

Yup. I got bamboozled by his rhetoric.

 

[oreo]

So he rejected a bunch of plans that had no clear end game and exit strategy. Good.

Well--having an "exit strategy" should probably have something to do with winning--

How many times during the campaign season did you hear Barack Obama state: "We took our eye off of the ball."

It kind of looks to be that he has fumbled the ball against the advise of his coaching staff--

 

[PatekPhilippe]

weren't you guys the ones saying a surge worked in Irag? And last time I checked most said there wasn't enough troops in Afghanistan. Or maybe Bush should of maybe focused on afghanistan instead of Irag, you know the people who were actually behind 9/11.

First of all...the surge worked in Iraq and BUSH NEGOTIATED A TROOP WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT BEFORE HE LEFT OFFICE...

Second...NATO DID NOT COMMIT the number of troops it said it would after 9/11. Bush sent the number of troops he committed to...the European Union failed!!!!!

In March of 2009 with the Iraq War successfully concluding thanks to the Surge Strategy employed by the Bush Administration Obama told the Europeans "We got this one...you guys sit this one out." and revealed a grand strategy.....IT FAILED MISERABLY......now all you lefties want to do is retreat in disgrace.....
Not one of you has the fucking balls to stand up for what's right.....
YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING BELL RINGING QUITTERS!!!!!!

Bush negotiated the troop withdrawal to beat the democrats to the punch when it became blatantly obvious that they were going to take the presidency.

Very true....but he negotiated a troop withdrawal nonetheless....history will judge him as it will judge every President.

 

[Polk]

What? You don't own a dictionary? You feel free to play with your strawman.

Asking you to define what would constitute victory in Afghanistan is a strawman?

It is unless you actually don't know what victory means and are using it to deflect this thread away from Obama's lack of policy. But, just in case you really don't know.. victory in Afghanistan would leave a nation that was safe enough for development. It would be a nation that doesn't serve as a haven for the Taliban and drug lords. It would be a nation where a woman wouldn't have to worry that her leg would be amputated because an errant wind lifted her burka and showed her ankle.

It's not a weakness to base your tactics off of the facts on the ground. As for your definition of victory, that's fine if you want to define things that way, but it gets to the heart of the issue. What you spelled out is a goal that can never be accomplished with force. The military is there to flatten enemy forces. It can't construct civil society. It can't ensure that the individual Afghan tribes will rally around a central government.

 

[Vel]

Asking you to define what would constitute victory in Afghanistan is a strawman?

It is unless you actually don't know what victory means and are using it to deflect this thread away from Obama's lack of policy. But, just in case you really don't know.. victory in Afghanistan would leave a nation that was safe enough for development. It would be a nation that doesn't serve as a haven for the Taliban and drug lords. It would be a nation where a woman wouldn't have to worry that her leg would be amputated because an errant wind lifted her burka and showed her ankle.

It's not a weakness to base your tactics off of the facts on the ground. As for your definition of victory, that's fine if you want to define things that way, but it gets to the heart of the issue. What you spelled out is a goal that can never be accomplished with force. The military is there to flatten enemy forces. It can't construct civil society. It can't ensure that the individual Afghan tribes will rally around a central government.

Well since we've spilled precious blood and lots of treasure.. let's do that before leave.

 

[Polk]

It is unless you actually don't know what victory means and are using it to deflect this thread away from Obama's lack of policy. But, just in case you really don't know.. victory in Afghanistan would leave a nation that was safe enough for development. It would be a nation that doesn't serve as a haven for the Taliban and drug lords. It would be a nation where a woman wouldn't have to worry that her leg would be amputated because an errant wind lifted her burka and showed her ankle.

It's not a weakness to base your tactics off of the facts on the ground. As for your definition of victory, that's fine if you want to define things that way, but it gets to the heart of the issue. What you spelled out is a goal that can never be accomplished with force. The military is there to flatten enemy forces. It can't construct civil society. It can't ensure that the individual Afghan tribes will rally around a central government.

Well since we've spilled precious blood and lots of treasure.. let's do that before leave.

To the extent we can do so, we already have.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I agree. If they can't come up with cogent plan to get the entire job done then the best thing to do is get the hell out.

While this may appease many on the left...it will ultimately lead to the Taliban retaking Afghanistan.....then what?

Go back over there AGAIN? At what cost this time? Boston nuked? No thank you.

Obama needs to be Commander in Chief and man up...not a fucking George Soros puppet.

Then we're going to have to rely on our intelligence community (as scary as that sounds) to be ahead of any major attack being planned.

There are no easy answers, Phil, but just sitting around there with our collective dicks in our hand isn't a good plan.

Quite true...and this is what's happening right now ... the only difference is our troops are getting shot at and blown up while Obama plays golf and basketball. WTF???!!!