Bradley Manning Trial In Military Court

[freedombecki]

"(3) The accused shall be given broad latitude to present matters in extenuation and mitigation."

Manning has been prevented from habeas review on the counts, while the court waits to see who gets elected President.

The problem with Manning is he was not able to file for protection, under US-WBPA, so he is getting wrecked, by fascist pigs, who have been allowed to make all the war they want to, on civilians, after starting trouble with Islam, by supporting Israel.

The US wouldn't back up, from Israel, not even when in 1967 Israel invaded the Sinai, so fighting with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria broke out. Egypt had been conducting exercises in the Sinai, when Israel bombed Egyptian airfields. Israel ended up taking territory, which is the basis for international claims against Israel, to this day, while the US cannot get along with Muslims.

Israel shot up the USS Liberty, in 1967, killing a lot of Americans, but the US just fixed up the ship and swept the hassle under the table. Where are the whistleblowers, when the bulldozers shove Palestinians off their land? Where is our Constitution, when it's been time to cut the violators of the separation, standing army, enumeration clauses, USCA 4, 5, 14, RICO, and Sedition Act? Gee Wally, wtf is all that? The US Constitution and statutes, is what that is. They are unenforced, for all the over-budget shit.

Jimmy Carter is one unelectable but fair man, but he caught a lot of shit, for speaking out about this, and the Bush Administration wouldn't let Jimmy talk to Bashar Assad, when Assad was starting to get nasty, even though Jimmy has had successful contact with the Assads, including for the Reagan Administration. That situation went to hell, in a handbasket. And those bitches in Israel claim they run the US. The US sucks.

The US is not improved, by the posses of ranting fucks, who won't get smart, while they support some politician, who isn't going to restore value, to our economy. Give up.

The US Congress is full of jackasses, from both parties, who basically have Israel up their butts. They pass stuff like the NDAA, give the NSA a new home, so it can steal, with corporations, jerk off with healthcare and fracking, simultaneously, the CIA and FBI knew the 9/11 terrorists were in the US but didn't share the intel, so now we have a costly DHS, but fuck anybody who notices atrocities or waste, fraud, and abuse.

The three-letter pig agencies are notorious, for screwing whistleblowers, where WBPA should apply. Is this what is happening, to Private Manning? What did he reveal? We now need to know something about the character of the classified information, given how punks completely distort the nature of security, suppress WBPA, and keep on perpetrating.

Is Manning a perp or a patriot? I know governments are fully loaded, with perps.

The planet is going straight to hell, with a lot of dead animals, this year. The extinction rate is 100+ times normal, headed for 1000 times normal, so the US guarantees Israel's oil supply and imports oil, while fucking with the Middle East. The US is a shitter, full of assholes, who won't do biomass research, despite temporary use, of the US breadbasket, a large fertile region. The US won't re-green, despite deserts and pollution.

Nothing is going well, real estate is inflated from years of drug and other wars, with no US border security, until after 9/11, so every asshole in the world owns a piece of the US markets, which are not going anywhere. Don't expect Obamney to recover anything, from the Bain method, of refinancing, cutting, and diving. The sack race is leading nowhere, after November.

To make a long story short, the US is a strong ally of Turkey, the origin of Sunni Islam. The US supports Sunnis, except in cases where some Sunni CIA client goes bad on the US, like Saddam and UBL, so then the US gets a lying Iraqi, to make allegations which go before Congress, via the President, who then caused invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

This problem continues. Meanwhile, homosexuality managed to make it, as an issue. Homosexuals are like women and minorities, who don't get equal rights, and truthfully, nobody gets equal rights, unless homosexuals are like the Log Cabin Club, in which case acting up all day and night is going on, as if nobody heard, how the now-dead queers in bath-house crowds liked to trick, shoot speed, trick, and geek around with public health, all the way to shoving their HIV, through full-blown AIDS, and death.

Conservative homosexuals think it's great, to screw with anybody, anytime, to hell with women, minority rights, and especially, to hell with the environment, so all kinds of liars are in traffic, and who needs rights, for supporters of the 'fagot,' which is the bundle of sticks, supporting the 'faces,' or axes, in the fascist symbol? Homosexuality is a symptom, of fascism. Rats turn queer, when jammed together.

Into all this nuisance strolls Bradley Manning, who has homosexuality issues. He did have a female identity, he did not engage US WBPA protection, and he is eating shit, for revealing a lot of atrocities, which US forces engaged in, to Wikileaks. I don't know if any of the information he revealed is really of the character, which violates any legitimate national security interest, since pigs in the guise of patriots are generally taking any right they can, to shove it in the fascist crapper.

What we will determine is if in fact any of the information Manning revealed is relevant, to national security, or did he just reveal rampant atrocities and excesses, by fascist pigs?

I don't go to Wikileaks, but I intend to find out: did Manning really fuck up, or did he just pass on a lot of conspiracies the GAO should know about, anyway, and a lot of information about murders, assaults, ripoffs, and graft, which the USDOJ or military courts neglected to prosecute?

I do know this: bitches are everywhere. Cops and queers, queers and cops, punks for Obamney, geeks for somebody else's rights, when we don't have rights, what a shitload.

The reality is the US is a fascist hegemon, where crime pays, all this is subject to surveillance, and if any spooks find something, they'll steal it. The US started up most of the trouble our military responds to, with CIA actions, in the 1950s, see Korea, Iran, Iraq, China, etc. Really!

The CIA flew Liberators, over China, from Tibet and Taiwan, baited North Korea, and there's a war, after Chiang was killing Cantonese-speakers, on Taiwan. Tibet got grabbed, by China, for letting the CIA fly over, from there. The CIA and MI6 installed the Shah, the CIA supported Saddam, etc., etc., etc. The US cooks the shit everybody eats.

Some people are having too good a time, at the punk parade. But this thread should determine, if Bradley Manning revealed something which really violates US security in a substantive way, if he committed some crime, and if so, what was that crime, and is he guilty of any of the 22 or so charges? Just ranting for or against is not my issue. What did he really do? Is the US military just cooking up trouble, or is Manning guilty?Let's get logical, or not. I won't post, unless I find something out, or I'm pissed.

The conspiracy theory board is here. It's for people who do not like the business end of the military, the Warren Commission, et cetera. You may find others who think like yourself there.

 

[bobgnote]

The conspiracy theory board is here. It's for people who do not like the business end of the military, the Warren Commission, et cetera. You may find others who think like yourself there.

I posted an OP about how Biden outed Obama, for same-sex marriage, when the Democrats found out the Bullygate story would break, in the Washington Post, May 10. Clever Joe said Obama had a big stick, then pushed the marriage issue. But Democrats still don't do anything, for equality, which is why that is at conspiracy theories.

Since at least one good poster put up the law, I'm here, and I don't pay bitches, with CRS, HUB, or anything else wrong with them, at the local crime scenes or here.

From the first look at the attitudes going around, dirt is getting done, by crooks, and there's plenty of crooks and dirt, around:
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Bradley E. Manning - The New York Times

Soldier Faces 22 New WikiLeaks Charges (March 3, 2011)
Times Topic: Bradley Manning

A lawyer for Pfc. Bradley Manning, the Army intelligence analyst accused of leaking secret government files to WikiLeaks, has complained that his client was stripped and left naked in his cell for seven hours on Wednesday.

The conditions of Private Manning’s confinement at the Marine brig in Quantico, Va., have drawn criticism in recent months from supporters and his lawyer, David E. Coombs.

The soldier’s clothing was returned to him Thursday morning, after he was required to stand naked outside his cell during an inspection, Mr. Coombs said in a posting on his Web site.

“This type of degrading treatment is inexcusable and without justification,” Mr. Coombs wrote. “It is an embarrassment to our military justice system and should not be tolerated. Pfc. Manning has been told that the same thing will happen to him again tonight. No other detainee at the brig is forced to endure this type of isolation and humiliation.”

First Lt. Brian Villiard, a Marine spokesman, said a brig duty supervisor had ordered Private Manning’s clothing taken from him. He said that the step was “not punitive” and that it was in accordance with brig rules, but he said that he was not allowed to say more.
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"Seven hours" of nudity indicates the inspection was not orderly, but unusual. This looks like a bitch-controversy, more than it looks like a case, so far.

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Investigators have been seeking evidence that could implicate Julian Assange, the WikiLeaks founder, as a conspirator in the leaking of the military and diplomatic documents and videos.

Mr. House spoke on the conference call with Daniel Ellsberg, who compared the leaking of documents to WikiLeaks to his own leaking of the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam War. On Wednesday, the Army announced 22 additional charges against Private Manning, including “aiding the enemy.”

The charge sheet did not explain who “the enemy” was, leading some to speculate that it was a reference to WikiLeaks. On Thursday, however, the military said that it instead referred to any hostile forces that could benefit from learning about classified military tactics and procedures.

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Charges brought two years after such an arrest should indicate something about the "enemy," so damage can be defined, but we'll finally get to see a shit-trial. Julian Assange is the strategic target, of all this shit-and-giggle justice. Bitches don't like to have their dirty deeds made known, and Assange shows those around.

 

[Douger]

He deserves a medal of honor for exposing the most corrupt government in the history of the world.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jake, I think they have 22 charges at this time. I'm not certain what exactly all of those are. The sheer volume and mass of the information placed in the hands of a blabbermouth on national security information does not bode well for the man.

The fact that there are many like RetiredGYSgt and Warrior 102 who feel his conduct if true merits a death penalty due to endangering a nation engaged in a war against terrorists carries a lot of weight in the military. They don't put up with a soldier giving ammo to the enemy when our guys have been so beleagured with so many deaths and injuries at the hands of dangerous zealots, it may be his alleged espionage will not have a good outcome if charges against him are proved to the USMJ jurors.

Assuming he's guilty, then RGS and Warrior are right.The little shit should die for what he did. It has jack shit to do with whether or not he put the lives of our servicemen at risk - although most military I know say he did - it is to do with one word.... Treason. We cannot have members of our military - or anyone else in a position of trust - deciding for themselves what information is 'secret' and which is not.

But then, if members of Congress can commit treason and have no consequences, then maybe treason is acceptable these days. Not to me, but to my fellow Americans.

Whom ever leaked classified information to the press from the White House should also be tried for Treason. They endangered the lives of foreign nationals working for us and made the possibility of more helping us dubious at best.

I am sure some low level turd will be thrown under the bus for it but it probably was from a high level source.

 

[bobgnote]

Whom ever leaked classified information to the press from the White House should also be tried for Treason. They endangered the lives of foreign nationals working for us and made the possibility of more helping us dubious at best.

I am sure some low level turd will be thrown under the bus for it but it probably was from a high level source.

Then Daniel Ellsberg should have gone down, for treason. I don't think so, girlies and gunny. As for White House flaps, when Dick Armitage of the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame Wilson, as political revenge, Armitage didn't cop a treason beef, did he. Gunny has a selective reflex, to oppose misconduct.

The Viet Nam War was cooked up, by Americans, who wanted to stick violations of the standing army clause, all the way to fighting communism, where the French fought a battle at Dien Bien Phu, and Viet Nam should have been allowed, to elect a Ho president, without girlies or gunnies or advisers or LBJ getting it on, with them.

But no. And during the Viet Nam War, surveillance, profiteering, and misconduct went off the charts. Daniel Ellsberg released the Pentagon Papers, and Bradley Manning is possibly doing the same sort of whistleblowing-type activity, so prosecution looks like persecution, so far. When Manning didn't reveal SNAFU going all the way, to FUBAR, then the case for prosecution might look like at least shit on a bootheel. But no.

The problem with girlies and mad-dogs is legend. Prohibition and the Hemp Stamp Tax Act of 1938 ensured petroleum would persist, without American biomass, like Henry Ford wanted, which he was already using, as hemp, to make Model T parts and a completely indestructible car body, see YouTube, etc. You don't get alcohol prohibited all the way to abuse of the Constitution, without hysterical freaks, in media, like Carrie the stupid Nation.

As for treason:

U.S. Constitution - Article 3 Section 3 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

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The CIA cooked up both bin Laden and Saddam, the US supports Turkey and therefore Sunni Islam, so the US supported Sunnis Saddam and King of Bahrain, as Sunni tyrants, over Shiite majorities, with obvious consequences.

To support Israel, criminals in the US violate the separation clause, standing army clause, enumeration of powers clause, USCA 4, 5, 14, RICO, and the Sedition Act. No war should be cooked up by corrupt US foreign policy, expanded by lies, and then used as grounds for charges of treason, when abuse of process is to be presumed. Prosecution of whistleblowers should be restricted, with extreme prejudice and jealousy. But noooo!

Many Americans think they want to violate the USCA 4 security rights, of other Americans, during a shit-storm and klepto-riot, like Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think charges of treason are wise, to simply throw around, since under the circumstances, Americans don't have any value in the economy, it can't recover, and we are about to get it on, in the streets, any month now.

USCA 4 security is violated by American mobs, which politicians exploit, to issue measures, in the several states, to restrict due process of law. Since the US Congress has a Senate, all kinds of idiots think to make justice a matter of arena-ranting and chanting, rather than law, grounded in the US Constitution.

Belay your unbridled anal compulsions and stand down, in the name of common sense.

If somebody thinks treason is merited, that needs a competent court case, which I don't see, in the inquisition, by US military courts, featuring Gitmo and no-charge scams, while atrocities, lies, and scams are covered up, including by classification.

Treason: Definition and Limitations: U.S. Constitution: Article III

Clause 1. Definition and Limitations

Treason

The treason clause is a product of the awareness of the Framers of the ''numerous and dangerous excrescences'' which had disfigured the English law of treason and was therefore intended to put it beyond the power of Congress to ''extend the crime and punishment of treason.'' 1283 The debate in the Convention, remarks in the ratifying conventions, and contemporaneous public comment make clear that a restrictive concept of the crime was imposed and that ordinary partisan divisions within political society were not to be escalated by the stronger into capital charges of treason, as so often had happened in England. 1284

Thus, the Framers adopted two of the three formulations and the phraseology of the English Statute of Treason enacted in 1350, 1285 but they conspicuously omitted the phrase defining as treason the ''compass[ing] or imagin[ing] the death of our lord the King,'' 1286 under which most of the English law of ''constructive treason'' had been developed. 1287 Beyond limiting the power of Congress to define treason, 1288 the clause also prescribes limitations upon Congress' ability to make proof of the offense easy to establish 1289 and its ability to define punishment. 1290

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Check out the famous cases, via the above link.

"Levying war" and "Aid and comfort to the enemy:"

Doubtful State of the Law of Treason Today

The vacillation of Chief Justice Marshall between the Bollman 1304 and Burr 1305 cases and the vacillation of the Court in the Cramer 1306 and Haupt 1307 cases leave the law of treason in a somewhat doubtful condition. The difficulties created by the Burr case have been obviated to a considerable extent through the punishment of acts ordinarily treasonable in nature under a different label, 1308 within a formula provided by Chief Justice Marshall himself in the Bollman case. The passage reads: ''Crimes so atrocious as those which have for their object the subversion by violence of those laws and those institutions which have been ordained in order to secure the peace and happiness of society, are not to escape punishment, because they have not ripened into treason. The wisdom of the legislature is competent to provide for the case; and the framers of our Constitution . . . must have conceived it more safe that punishment in such cases should be ordained by general laws, formed upon deliberation, under the influence of no resentments, and without knowing on whom they were to operate, than that it should be inflicted under the influence of those passions which the occasion seldom fails to excite, and which a flexible definition of the crime, or a construction which would render it flexible, might bring into operation.'' 1309

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If you think thought of 'aid and comfort to the enemy' was translated to action, in the case of usual whistleblowers, you need to make a case. So far, rants of 'treason' look unreasonable. Such rants are made by people with no use, for law and order.

As for 'levying war,' it seems to me the standing army state has yet to answer, for its several excesses, including in the time leading up to this kangaroo-looking review, of Private Manning.

Give us enough of an excuse, we prosecute, and standing army state needs to admit, it is rotten, to the unconstitutional corps.

 

[freedombecki]

bobgnote, Manning left a cyber trail, and he pissed off the barracudas of every fighting squad in the US. Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines, and a few special services.

You should pay better attention to what they have to say.

 

[freedombecki]

June 8, 2012:

Colonel Denise Lind, presiding over the proceedings at Fort Meade in Maryland, rejected a defence motion that 10 of the 22 counts against the US soldier should be dismissed. The decision leaves Manning facing a possible sentence of life in military custody for allegedly having been the source of the WikiLeaks publications that included war logs from Afghanistan and Iraq, video footage of a US helicopter attack on civilians and diplomatic cables from around the world.

source: Bradley Manning fails to persuade military judge to throw out charges | World news | guardian.co.uk

The defense lawyers want to see all the military secret Bradlye Manning is alleged to have leaked. Are they friends of Wikileaks' Assange?

I think military courts don't cotton to giving up military secrets that would place our military in jeopardy in the name of justice.

 

[hortysir]

Whom ever leaked classified information to the press from the White House should also be tried for Treason. They endangered the lives of foreign nationals working for us and made the possibility of more helping us dubious at best.

I am sure some low level turd will be thrown under the bus for it but it probably was from a high level source.

Then Daniel Ellsberg should have gone down, for treason. I don't think so, girlies and gunny. As for White House flaps, when Dick Armitage of the Bush Administration outed Valerie Plame Wilson, as political revenge, Armitage didn't cop a treason beef, did he. Gunny has a selective reflex, to oppose misconduct.

The Viet Nam War was cooked up, by Americans, who wanted to stick violations of the standing army clause, all the way to fighting communism, where the French fought a battle at Dien Bien Phu, and Viet Nam should have been allowed, to elect a Ho president, without girlies or gunnies or advisers or LBJ getting it on, with them.

But no. And during the Viet Nam War, surveillance, profiteering, and misconduct went off the charts. Daniel Ellsberg released the Pentagon Papers, and Bradley Manning is possibly doing the same sort of whistleblowing-type activity, so prosecution looks like persecution, so far. When Manning didn't reveal SNAFU going all the way, to FUBAR, then the case for prosecution might look like at least shit on a bootheel. But no.

The problem with girlies and mad-dogs is legend. Prohibition and the Hemp Stamp Tax Act of 1938 ensured petroleum would persist, without American biomass, like Henry Ford wanted, which he was already using, as hemp, to make Model T parts and a completely indestructible car body, see YouTube, etc. You don't get alcohol prohibited all the way to abuse of the Constitution, without hysterical freaks, in media, like Carrie the stupid Nation.

As for treason:

U.S. Constitution - Article 3 Section 3 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

-----------------------------------------

The CIA cooked up both bin Laden and Saddam, the US supports Turkey and therefore Sunni Islam, so the US supported Sunnis Saddam and King of Bahrain, as Sunni tyrants, over Shiite majorities, with obvious consequences.

To support Israel, criminals in the US violate the separation clause, standing army clause, enumeration of powers clause, USCA 4, 5, 14, RICO, and the Sedition Act. No war should be cooked up by corrupt US foreign policy, expanded by lies, and then used as grounds for charges of treason, when abuse of process is to be presumed. Prosecution of whistleblowers should be restricted, with extreme prejudice and jealousy. But noooo!

Many Americans think they want to violate the USCA 4 security rights, of other Americans, during a shit-storm and klepto-riot, like Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think charges of treason are wise, to simply throw around, since under the circumstances, Americans don't have any value in the economy, it can't recover, and we are about to get it on, in the streets, any month now.

USCA 4 security is violated by American mobs, which politicians exploit, to issue measures, in the several states, to restrict due process of law. Since the US Congress has a Senate, all kinds of idiots think to make justice a matter of arena-ranting and chanting, rather than law, grounded in the US Constitution.

Belay your unbridled anal compulsions and stand down, in the name of common sense.

If somebody thinks treason is merited, that needs a competent court case, which I don't see, in the inquisition, by US military courts, featuring Gitmo and no-charge scams, while atrocities, lies, and scams are covered up, including by classification.

Treason: Definition and Limitations: U.S. Constitution: Article III

Clause 1. Definition and Limitations

Treason

The treason clause is a product of the awareness of the Framers of the ''numerous and dangerous excrescences'' which had disfigured the English law of treason and was therefore intended to put it beyond the power of Congress to ''extend the crime and punishment of treason.'' 1283 The debate in the Convention, remarks in the ratifying conventions, and contemporaneous public comment make clear that a restrictive concept of the crime was imposed and that ordinary partisan divisions within political society were not to be escalated by the stronger into capital charges of treason, as so often had happened in England. 1284

Thus, the Framers adopted two of the three formulations and the phraseology of the English Statute of Treason enacted in 1350, 1285 but they conspicuously omitted the phrase defining as treason the ''compass[ing] or imagin[ing] the death of our lord the King,'' 1286 under which most of the English law of ''constructive treason'' had been developed. 1287 Beyond limiting the power of Congress to define treason, 1288 the clause also prescribes limitations upon Congress' ability to make proof of the offense easy to establish 1289 and its ability to define punishment. 1290

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Check out the famous cases, via the above link.

"Levying war" and "Aid and comfort to the enemy:"

Doubtful State of the Law of Treason Today

The vacillation of Chief Justice Marshall between the Bollman 1304 and Burr 1305 cases and the vacillation of the Court in the Cramer 1306 and Haupt 1307 cases leave the law of treason in a somewhat doubtful condition. The difficulties created by the Burr case have been obviated to a considerable extent through the punishment of acts ordinarily treasonable in nature under a different label, 1308 within a formula provided by Chief Justice Marshall himself in the Bollman case. The passage reads: ''Crimes so atrocious as those which have for their object the subversion by violence of those laws and those institutions which have been ordained in order to secure the peace and happiness of society, are not to escape punishment, because they have not ripened into treason. The wisdom of the legislature is competent to provide for the case; and the framers of our Constitution . . . must have conceived it more safe that punishment in such cases should be ordained by general laws, formed upon deliberation, under the influence of no resentments, and without knowing on whom they were to operate, than that it should be inflicted under the influence of those passions which the occasion seldom fails to excite, and which a flexible definition of the crime, or a construction which would render it flexible, might bring into operation.'' 1309

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If you think thought of 'aid and comfort to the enemy' was translated to action, in the case of usual whistleblowers, you need to make a case. So far, rants of 'treason' look unreasonable. Such rants are made by people with no use, for law and order.

As for 'levying war,' it seems to me the standing army state has yet to answer, for its several excesses, including in the time leading up to this kangaroo-looking review, of Private Manning.

Give us enough of an excuse, we prosecute, and standing army state needs to admit, it is rotten, to the unconstitutional corps.

Openly posting the information to a "world-wide-web" fits that definition.

 

[Wiseacre]

Undoubtedly Manning has violated some procedures or regulations pertaining to the duties of his office, no matter how minor. I know of very few officers and NCOs who were able to complete their assignments without running afoul at least in some minor way of the UCMJ in one way or another. Manning will be caught up on one or more of those violations if he skirts the major one.

The Article 32 procedings, if not already completed, will give the observer a very good idea of where the prosecution is headed.

Cannot imagine why you would say this. There is no need to violate the UCMJ to perform any assignment, and in fact military members are specifically told NOT to obey an order if it means taking unlawful actions that contrary to the UCMJ.

 

[uscitizen]

Manning undoubtedly violated the UCMJ. Court-martial proceedings will determine the extent of those violations, and if found guilty, he will be be sentenced.

My view on the entire thing as well.

Of course history is full of traitors that were accorded hero status.
the founding fathers of the USA for example were traitors to their legitimate government.

The boston tea party could be viewed as an act of terrorism. Dressing up as indians and all...
If someone repeated the incident now and dressed as muslims.....

 

[bobgnote]

source: Bradley Manning fails to persuade military judge to throw out charges | World news | guardian.co.uk

The defense lawyers want to see all the military secret Bradlye Manning is alleged to have leaked. Are they friends of Wikileaks' Assange?

I think military courts don't cotton to giving up military secrets that would place our military in jeopardy in the name of justice.

'Curveball,' Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, Iraqi Informant: I'm Proud My WMD Lies Led To Iraq War

Geewhiz, GW, Rummy, Cheney, et al relied on a lying Iraqi informant, to allege Saddam had fresh WMDs, so Operation Iraqi Freedom could pick up, on where GHW's cold feet at Basra left off, when Desert Storm had former CIA client Saddam on the run.

It seems uneven enforcement might be at play, where Manning and Assange are publishing dirty deeds, which did not come dirt cheap. Why is the GAO so wussy?

Somebody has to keep doing the GAO's job, I bet, since somebody doesn't want the GAO doing its job. Keeping Manning naked for seven hours is just more dirt, from a nation, which is paying too much, for too many dirtbags, to get us really filthy, note how Assange gets ahold of things like murderous choppers gunning guys, with cameras.

The same people who like dirt done to people seem to be the same people who don't care how CO2 is off the charts, and the planet will heat up and acidify, so we all have to live in the ocean and breathe H2S. Do you breathe O2, or not? Decide, some day.

Are we a constitutional republic, or not? NOT!


In other headlines, Obamagirl says she's over her crush. Doink.

 

[freedombecki]

source: Bradley Manning fails to persuade military judge to throw out charges | World news | guardian.co.uk

The defense lawyers want to see all the military secret Bradlye Manning is alleged to have leaked. Are they friends of Wikileaks' Assange?

I think military courts don't cotton to giving up military secrets that would place our military in jeopardy in the name of justice.

'Curveball,' Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, Iraqi Informant: I'm Proud My WMD Lies Led To Iraq War

Geewhiz, GW, Rummy, Cheney, et al relied on a lying Iraqi informant, to allege Saddam had fresh WMDs, so Operation Iraqi Freedom could pick up, on where GHW's cold feet at Basra left off, when Desert Storm had former CIA client Saddam on the run.

It seems uneven enforcement might be at play, where Manning and Assange are publishing dirty deeds, which did not come dirt cheap. Why is the GAO so wussy?

Somebody has to keep doing the GAO's job, I bet, since somebody doesn't want the GAO doing its job. Keeping Manning naked for seven hours is just more dirt, from a nation, which is paying too much, for too many dirtbags, to get us really filthy, note how Assange gets ahold of things like murderous choppers gunning guys, with cameras.

The same people who like dirt done to people seem to be the same people who don't care how CO2 is off the charts, and the planet will heat up and acidify, so we all have to live in the ocean and breathe H2S. Do you breathe O2, or not? Decide, some day.

Are we a constitutional republic, or not? NOT!

In other headlines, Obamagirl says she's over her crush. Doink.

The Iraqi conflict did not come about as the consequence of one person who you say now claims he is a merry liar. I read Madeline Albright's State Department notes on Iraq and in particular, Saddam Hussein and his doings. She thought he was into WMDs and issued Traveler's Advisory warnings on them. International agencies claimed Saddam had WOMDs. Saddam bragged to his Arabic acquaintances that his scientists were close to getting a nuke and that he thought good target practice would be Israel who has oppressed his Arab brothers, on and on.

Saddam said he had WOMDs, Interpol said he had WOMDs, Madeline Albright's notes and sources said Saddam was planning a bomb that would be "the granddaddy of them all." Pictures were taken from our satellite in space of large trucks leaving hot sites in Iraq and headed for Syria. Nobody stopped the trucks at the border, however, thinking in place sanctions would help.

What's done is done, and it's past. Your story is well and fine, but it really is inconsistent with international knowledge of Saddam's dealings. I didn't mention his German pals who got things for him that would trigger a WOMD, and after all other avenues were exhausted, the determination was made to stop Saddam Hussein.

He's gone, the replacement government still needs support, and our people are targets for terrorists. That said, the topic is Wikileaks, and I just hope and pray that justice is done and the right sentence is administered unless the guy has an iq of 80 or something.

Goodnight.

 

[Billo_Really]

the determination was made to stop Saddam Hussein.

Stop him from what? He wasn't doing anything!

 

[bobgnote]

The Iraqi conflict did not come about as the consequence of one person who you say now claims he is a merry liar. I read Madeline Albright's State Department notes on Iraq and in particular, Saddam Hussein and his doings. She thought he was into WMDs and issued Traveler's Advisory warnings on them. International agencies claimed Saddam had WOMDs. Saddam bragged to his Arabic acquaintances that his scientists were close to getting a nuke and that he thought good target practice would be Israel who has oppressed his Arab brothers, on and on.

Saddam said he had WOMDs, Interpol said he had WOMDs, Madeline Albright's notes and sources said Saddam was planning a bomb that would be "the granddaddy of them all." Pictures were taken from our satellite in space of large trucks leaving hot sites in Iraq and headed for Syria. Nobody stopped the trucks at the border, however, thinking in place sanctions would help.

What's done is done, and it's past. Your story is well and fine, but it really is inconsistent with international knowledge of Saddam's dealings. I didn't mention his German pals who got things for him that would trigger a WOMD, and after all other avenues were exhausted, the determination was made to stop Saddam Hussein.

He's gone, the replacement government still needs support, and our people are targets for terrorists. That said, the topic is Wikileaks, and I just hope and pray that justice is done and the right sentence is administered unless the guy has an iq of 80 or something.

Goodnight.

Read my post, again. The CIA supported the Shah and Saddam. GHW Bush got cold feet, on the road to Basra, so a liar was used, to make a report, to Congress. Money was spent, people died or were maimed, and all to gratify a corrupt, closed loop, starting with CIA involvement, in the 1950s.

What do you think, should Roosevelt and Gen. Marshall just stop all intel, into Pearl? Were the CIA and FBI correct, to suppress information they had, on the 9/11 attackers, so they could do their attack, and now all kinds of propaganda infected our legal system, re 'terrorism?' You are completely unable to think, about anything like a big picture.

Madeleine Albright was just another ranter, in the closed loop, fed by the liar. Saddam had no more yellowcake, since the Israelis bombed Iraq, 1981.

"What's done is done?" Lying to Congress, spending too much money including support for Zio-nazis in Israel, to start trouble where there wasn't any, shooting up places with depleted uranium, taking a lot of casualties in limited wars, for profiteers to enjoy, so you have a distorted sense of justice, and now, you think somehow whistelblowers need to go to prison, for reporting distortion, by bad-faith classification, to hide war crimes?

What do YOU have, an IQ of two? Good morning, you miserable, right-wing Stalinist!

 

[freedombecki]

The Iraqi conflict did not come about as the consequence of one person who you say now claims he is a merry liar. I read Madeline Albright's State Department notes on Iraq and in particular, Saddam Hussein and his doings. She thought he was into WMDs and issued Traveler's Advisory warnings on them. International agencies claimed Saddam had WOMDs. Saddam bragged to his Arabic acquaintances that his scientists were close to getting a nuke and that he thought good target practice would be Israel who has oppressed his Arab brothers, on and on.

Saddam said he had WOMDs, Interpol said he had WOMDs, Madeline Albright's notes and sources said Saddam was planning a bomb that would be "the granddaddy of them all." Pictures were taken from our satellite in space of large trucks leaving hot sites in Iraq and headed for Syria. Nobody stopped the trucks at the border, however, thinking in place sanctions would help.

What's done is done, and it's past. Your story is well and fine, but it really is inconsistent with international knowledge of Saddam's dealings. I didn't mention his German pals who got things for him that would trigger a WOMD, and after all other avenues were exhausted, the determination was made to stop Saddam Hussein.

He's gone, the replacement government still needs support, and our people are targets for terrorists. That said, the topic is Wikileaks, and I just hope and pray that justice is done and the right sentence is administered unless the guy has an iq of 80 or something.

Goodnight.

Read my post, again. The CIA supported the Shah and Saddam. GHW Bush got cold feet, on the road to Basra, so a liar was used, to make a <sic>repiort, to Congress. Money was spent, people died or were maimed, and all to gratify a corrupt, closed loop, starting with CIA involvement, in the 1950s.

What do you think, should Roosevelt and Gen. Marshall just stop all intel, into Pearl? Were the CIA and FBI correct, to suppress information they had, on the 9/11 attackers, so they could do their attack, and now all kinds of propaganda infected our legal system, re 'terrorism?' You are completely unable to think, about anything like a big picture.

Madeleine Albright was just another ranter, in the closed loop, fed by the liar. Saddam had no more yellowcake, since the Israelis bombed Iraq, 1981.

"What's done is done?" Lying to Congress, spending too much money including support for Zio-nazis in Israel, to start trouble where there wasn't any, shooting up places with depleted uranium, taking a lot of casualties in limited wars, for profiteers to enjoy, so you have a distorted sense of justice, and now, you think somehow whistelblowers need to go to prison, for reporting distortion, by bad-faith classification, to hide war crimes?

What do YOU have, <ad hominem omitted>? Good morning, <ad hominem omitted>

Sorry, my sources are this: American intelligence alerted several White Houses on that Saddam was committing acts of terror in his own country throughout his 25 years. That's why when he was at war with Iran our administrations decided against helping Hussein except for some intellectual exchanges in mathematics, arts, and science did continue under a long-term agreement our government has always given to third world and other countries with whom we have a modicum of diplomatic relations. Our educators had no idea some of their knowledge exchanges would be subverted to poison the Kurds. To the best of my knowledge, we stopped "helping" other countries in ways that could be used to undermine or exterminate enemies of the country we "helped".

You need to get ahold of yourself and let go of some of your bad information. I stay informed and have for a lifetime. You can't fool me with hubris, and I won't let you get away with it, either.

 

[bobgnote]

Sorry, my sources are this: American intelligence alerted several White Houses on that Saddam was committing acts of terror in his own country throughout his 25 years. That's why when he was at war with Iran our administrations decided against helping Hussein except for some intellectual exchanges in mathematics, arts, and science did continue under a long-term agreement our government has always given to third world and other countries with whom we have a modicum of diplomatic relations. Our educators had no idea some of their knowledge exchanges would be subverted to poison the Kurds. To the best of my knowledge, we stopped "helping" other countries in ways that could be used to undermine or exterminate enemies of the country we "helped".

You need to get ahold of yourself and let go of some of your bad information. I stay informed and have for a lifetime. You can't fool me with hubris, and I won't let you get away with it, either.

Your sources are some kind of downlow clowns. You and your sources have cartoon-ostrich syndrome, since real ostriches don't stick their heads, into the ground, to hide what is going on, above.

Your sources are incomplete, and you rant, you quote yourself, and you refuse to look at the biggest picture. You are unsuitable, to government service. In fact, the Reagan Administration gave US sat intel to the Iranians, to allow them to attack and to fire more effectively, on Iraqi positions.

Yeah, Saddam gassed Kurds. He killed Shiites. He killed Madan Arabs. And what did the CIA think would happen, when they supported Sunni murderer Saddam, in 1958? And what did your fucktard GHW Bush think would happen, when he wussed out, after Basra, and then he told the Iraqis to revolt, and they did, without US help? You snotty geek! Tell me about how people died, bimbo.

What in the world do you think is happening, in Bahrain, where the king is a minority Sunni tyrant, killing majority Shiites, with the 5th Fleet based there? Or didn't you see the Navy, when you went out, to see the world? You are completely deaf, dumb, and blind. Read some of your old posts. You are a discredit, to the US.

 

[hortysir]

Sorry, my sources are this: American intelligence alerted several White Houses on that Saddam was committing acts of terror in his own country throughout his 25 years. That's why when he was at war with Iran our administrations decided against helping Hussein except for some intellectual exchanges in mathematics, arts, and science did continue under a long-term agreement our government has always given to third world and other countries with whom we have a modicum of diplomatic relations. Our educators had no idea some of their knowledge exchanges would be subverted to poison the Kurds. To the best of my knowledge, we stopped "helping" other countries in ways that could be used to undermine or exterminate enemies of the country we "helped".

You need to get ahold of yourself and let go of some of your bad information. I stay informed and have for a lifetime. You can't fool me with hubris, and I won't let you get away with it, either.

Your sources are some kind of downlow clowns. You and your sources have cartoon-ostrich syndrome, since real ostriches don't stick their heads, into the ground, to hide what is going on, above.

Your sources are incomplete, and you rant, you quote yourself, and you refuse to look at the biggest picture. You are unsuitable, to government service. In fact, the Reagan Administration gave US sat intel to the Iranians, to allow them to attack and to fire more effectively, on Iraqi positions.

Yeah, Saddam gassed Kurds. He killed Shiites. He killed Madan Arabs. And what did the CIA think would happen, when they supported Sunni murderer Saddam, in 1958? And what did your fucktard GHW Bush think would happen, when he wussed out, after Basra, and then he told the Iraqis to revolt, and they did, without US help? You snotty geek! Tell me about how people died, bimbo.

What in the world do you think is happening, in Bahrain, where the king is a minority Sunni tyrant, killing majority Shiites, with the 5th Fleet based there? Or didn't you see the Navy, when you went out, to see the world? You are completely deaf, dumb, and blind. Read some of your old posts. You are a discredit, to the US.

It's no wonder this PUSSY has Rep disabled

 

[freedombecki]

Sorry, my sources are this: American intelligence alerted several White Houses on that Saddam was committing acts of terror in his own country throughout his 25 years. That's why when he was at war with Iran our administrations decided against helping Hussein except for some intellectual exchanges in mathematics, arts, and science did continue under a long-term agreement our government has always given to third world and other countries with whom we have a modicum of diplomatic relations. Our educators had no idea some of their knowledge exchanges would be subverted to poison the Kurds. To the best of my knowledge, we stopped "helping" other countries in ways that could be used to undermine or exterminate enemies of the country we "helped".

You need to get ahold of yourself and let go of some of your bad information. I stay informed and have for a lifetime. You can't fool me with hubris, and I won't let you get away with it, either.

Your sources are some kind of downlow clowns. You and your sources have cartoon-ostrich syndrome, since real ostriches don't stick their heads, into the ground, to hide what is going on, above.

Your sources are incomplete, and you rant, you quote yourself, and you refuse to look at the biggest picture. You are unsuitable, to government service. In fact, the Reagan Administration gave US sat intel to the Iranians, to allow them to attack and to fire more effectively, on Iraqi positions.

Yeah, Saddam gassed Kurds. He killed Shiites. He killed Madan Arabs. And what did the CIA think would happen, when they supported Sunni murderer Saddam, in 1958? And what did your fucktard GHW Bush think would happen, when he wussed out, after Basra, and then he told the Iraqis to revolt, and they did, without US help? You snotty geek! Tell me about how people died, bimbo.

What in the world do you think is happening, in Bahrain, where the king is a minority Sunni tyrant, killing majority Shiites, with the 5th Fleet based there? Or didn't you see the Navy, when you went out, to see the world? You are completely deaf, dumb, and blind. Read some of your old posts. You are a discredit, to the US.

It's no wonder this PUSSY has Rep disabled

I don't know. He's not too well informed on the facts of the matter, but he's strong on ad hominems, and it's not worth discussing issues with someone who turns everything into a flame opportunity.

 

[bobgnote]

It's no wonder this PUSSY has Rep disabled

Let's go over the fuckover, Sir Ho! GHW Bush was head of the CIA, he knows damn well Saddam was a CIA asset, in 1958 and whenever, so when he kaks on the road to Basra, he did the wrong thing. GHW Bush then tells the Iraqis to revolt, they do it, and Saddam kills Shiites, Kurds, Madans, and more.

Chronology | The Long Road To War | FRONTLINE | PBS

barrylando: Iraq-Leave the wretches to their fate..

Next came Saddam's disastrous invasion of Kuwait in August 1990--there again the U.S. played a hand. -followed by an abortive popular uprising against Saddam. That revolt, which George H.W. Bush had called for, ended with Saddam's slaughter of tens of thousands of Shiites--as U.S. troops stood by.

At the same time, the United Nations Security Council was implementing a Draconian embargo on all trade with Iraq. Indeed, when the Harvard study cited above was carried out, those sanctions had been in effect for only seven months. They cut off all trade between Iraq and the rest of the world. That meant everything, from food and electric generators to vaccines, hospital equipment--even medical journals. Since Iraq imported 70% of its food, and its principle revenues were derived from the export of petroleum, the sanctions had an immediate and catastrophic impact.

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Along comes GW Bush, who with Rumsfeld, Cheney, and others used a lying Iraqi informant, to gather their own lies, including to Congress, so Iraq had to eat an eight-plus year war, complete with lots of depleted uranium, in Fallujah and other places. Looks like Colin Powell was the only member of the GW administration, worth more than shit:

Colin Powell Slams U.S. Officials Over Handling Of Iraq Defector's False Claims

'Curveball,' Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, Iraqi Informant: I'm Proud My WMD Lies Led To Iraq War

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0310e.pdf

 

[bobgnote]

At least Eric Holder, the USDOJ, and the ATF are supposed to have ongoing investigations, going, which would theoretically be compromised, by release of F&F documents, to known clown Darrell Issa and pub-zombies.

But in the real world, I don't know why in hell the black Obamney Administration would copy white Obamney's healthcare, Republican sting ops, like Project Gunrunner and Op.Wide Receiver, Bush's wars, Dick Cheney's torture policy, and then Nixon's stonewall policy, for both USDOJ response, to the House, and for the dubious trial, of Pvt.Bradley Manning. Hey! Black Obamney copies Republicans! They suck, and he sucks, worse!

It seems black Obamney is some kind of black asshole, running a load of shitters, at Chinese fire-drills, in and out of their D.C. outhouses, funded by Chinese and other foreign debt-holders.

The US Government is supposed to be in the business, of speedy trials, but they are taking as long, to disclose exculpatory materials, to the Bradley Manning defense, as the USDOJ is taking, to disclose F&F docs, to the House Investigative Committee.

It seems Uncle Punk is a three-cheeked, two-hole shitter:

Bradley Manning lawyers accuse prosecutors of misleading judge | World news | guardian.co.uk

The US government is deliberately attempting to prevent Bradley Manning, the alleged source of the massive WikiLeaks trove of state secrets, from receiving a fair trial, the soldier's lawyer alleges in new court documents.

David Coombs, Manning's civilian lawyer, has made his strongest accusations yet about the conduct of the military prosecutors. In motions filed with the military court ahead of a pre-trial hearing at Fort Meade, Maryland, on Monday, he goes so far as to accuse the government in essence of lying to the court.

Coombs charges the prosecutors with making "an outright misrepresentation" to the court over evidence the defence has been trying for months to gain access to through disclosure.

The dispute relates to an investigation by the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, Oncix, into the damage caused by the WikiLeaks disclosures of hundreds of thousands of confidential documents.

Reports by the Associated Press, Reuters and other news outlets have suggested that official inquiries into the impact of WikiLeaks concluded that the leaks caused some "pockets" of short-term damage around the world, but that generally its impact had been embarrassing rather than harmful.

Such a finding could prove invaluable to the defence in fighting some of the charges facing Manning or, should he be found guilty, reducing his sentence.

Yet Coombs says the army prosecutors have consistently kept him, and the court, in the dark, thwarting his legal rights to see the evidence.

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Bradley Manning wins documents battle | News24

Fort Meade - A US military judge has ordered prosecutors to show they are not withholding evidence from WikiLeaks suspect Bradley Manning after defence lawyers accused them of hiding documents that could potentially help their client's case.

The ruling was a victory for Manning, whose defence team has argued for months that prosecutors are dragging their feet on requests for government files that could prove crucial in the trial of the Army private.

Manning, aged 24, accused of handing over a massive trove of classified documents to the WikiLeaks website, smiled at his attorneys after the judge read out her decision at a pre-trial hearing at Fort Meade, northeast of Washington.

Judge Denise Lind ruled that prosecutors would have to turn over reports from the CIA, the FBI, the State Department and the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive that assessed the impact of the leaks.

Manning's lawyers believe the assessments will show the disclosures had no major effect on the country's national security and did not "aid the enemy" as the government alleges.

But the judge ruled against a request for documents related to WikiLeaks from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, saying it was not relevant to the case.

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TODAYonline | World | US govt deliberately blocking Manning from fair trial: Lawyer

The US government is deliberately attempting to prevent Bradley Manning, the alleged source of the massive WikiLeaks trove of state secrets, from receiving a fair trial, the soldier's lawyer alleges in new court documents.

Mr David Coombs, Manning's civilian lawyer, has made his strongest accusations yet about the conduct of the military prosecutors. In motions filed with the military court ahead of a pre-trial hearing at Fort Meade, Maryland, on Monday, he goes so far as to accuse the government in essence of lying to the court.

Mr Coombs charges the prosecutors with making "an outright misrepresentation" to the court over evidence the defence has been trying for months to gain access to through disclosure.

The dispute relates to an investigation by the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, Oncix, into the damage caused by the WikiLeaks disclosures of hundreds of thousands of confidential documents.

Reports by the Associated Press, Reuters and other news outlets have suggested that official inquiries into the impact of WikiLeaks concluded that the leaks caused some "pockets" of short-term damage around the world, but that generally its impact had been embarrassing rather than harmful.

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Supporters of black Obamney seem to think they are winning, somehow, by black Obamney copying white Obamney's healthcare law and everything else the Republicans ever did. Bitches!

Lose the drug war, finally, dumbfucks!