Boehner: President Obama Should Lead, Not Cast Blame

[Oldstyle]

Hey Numbnuts!! Don't try to shit an old shitter. We have troops in 170 countries of this world and the last time somebody surrendered to us was in 1945......we still have troops there. The Roman empire failed because they had troops so wide spread that it became logistically impossible for them to continue to support them. Osama Bin Laden said his goal was not to destroy the United States but to bankrupt them. Until the Republicans get serious about some "MAJOR" cuts to the military/industrial complex ordinary Joes on the steet are about as important as a Fly on a Bull's Dick.

We've had troops in other parts of the world since World War II with little to no effect on our overall economy, Cam...why is it "suddenly" causing us to run trillion dollar a year deficits? I know that it's progressive "heresy" to ever admit that we're spending too much on entitlements...hence your call for reductions in spending to the part of spending (defense) that HAS been reduced while ignoring the part of spending (dependency programs) that is exploding in cost but my figures are correct. So I ask again...what is your answer to dealing with out of control spending on entitlements?

Just so you know? I'm probably not the person you want to get into a debate about history with, Cam. The reasons for Rome's fall lie less with "logistics" then they do with a general societal decay and an ever increasing dependency on foreign mercenaries to do the fighting that was once done by Romans. Instead of maintaining a strong military Rome increasingly PAID others to do it's fighting for it. In essence the Roman people became effete and unable to protect themselves which ultimately left them vulnerable to attack by both the Goths to the north and the Vandals to the south.

Here's what caused the trillion dollar a year deficits...each year $400 billion of it to pay the interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt. You Republicans aren't too damn smart and the rest of us have caught on:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT............................

Pardon me for pointing out the obvious here, Cam but deficit spending isn't a "GOP thing"...it's something that BOTH parties are guilty of. The amount of debt added since Barack Obama took office is staggering.

Once again you've declined to give your solution to the problem...choosing instead to try and blame "the other side". The truth is...our politicians have a spending problem and that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle. So how about we FIX that problem instead of make excuses for why it's taking place?

 

[beretta304]

Here's what caused the trillion dollar a year deficits...each year $451 billion of it to pay the interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt. You Republicans aren't too damn smart and the rest of us have caught on:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

10,001 times we get the same post.

And all you had to do was read it once. Modern day Republicans are as naive as a child and as low down as a whale turd. They think the country belongs to them and in reality they are rapidly losing the only part of it they ever had.

The only guy that gets villified in the Religious section of the board where posters tend to overlook alot.

MOB is your new name..Miserable Old Bastard.

 

[Cammmpbell]

We've had troops in other parts of the world since World War II with little to no effect on our overall economy, Cam...why is it "suddenly" causing us to run trillion dollar a year deficits? I know that it's progressive "heresy" to ever admit that we're spending too much on entitlements...hence your call for reductions in spending to the part of spending (defense) that HAS been reduced while ignoring the part of spending (dependency programs) that is exploding in cost but my figures are correct. So I ask again...what is your answer to dealing with out of control spending on entitlements?

Just so you know? I'm probably not the person you want to get into a debate about history with, Cam. The reasons for Rome's fall lie less with "logistics" then they do with a general societal decay and an ever increasing dependency on foreign mercenaries to do the fighting that was once done by Romans. Instead of maintaining a strong military Rome increasingly PAID others to do it's fighting for it. In essence the Roman people became effete and unable to protect themselves which ultimately left them vulnerable to attack by both the Goths to the north and the Vandals to the south.

Here's what caused the trillion dollar a year deficits...each year $400 billion of it to pay the interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt. You Republicans aren't too damn smart and the rest of us have caught on:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT............................

Pardon me for pointing out the obvious here, Cam but deficit spending isn't a "GOP thing"...it's something that BOTH parties are guilty of. The amount of debt added since Barack Obama took office is staggering.

Once again you've declined to give your solution to the problem...choosing instead to try and blame "the other side". The truth is...our politicians have a spending problem and that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle. So how about we FIX that problem instead of make excuses for why it's taking place?

I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. Back then the party stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual rights. Now they're in the pockets of the rich and corporations. If you people don't catch on you'll never win another presidential election. People will not stand for your party borrowing trillions of dollars from foreign banks to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. That's when this idiocy started....when Reagan cut taxes for the rich and began to borrow from foreign banks to cover the short fall. He and Bush 41 quadrupled the national debt.

Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993 while he still had enough Democrats to get it done and generated 22 million new jobs, balanced the budget, genrated surpluses and had the entire debt on track to be paid off by 2012. Then along came George....cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition, started two wars...one totally unnecessary then doubled the national debt again.

When Bush left office at the end of his last budget the interest due and payable was $451 billion. Four years of that...over a trillion and a half dollars of accumulated debt just to pay interest on the debt which existed when Obama started. You people need to get your heads out of your asses.

 

[beretta304]

Here's what caused the trillion dollar a year deficits...each year $400 billion of it to pay the interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt. You Republicans aren't too damn smart and the rest of us have caught on:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT............................

Pardon me for pointing out the obvious here, Cam but deficit spending isn't a "GOP thing"...it's something that BOTH parties are guilty of. The amount of debt added since Barack Obama took office is staggering.

Once again you've declined to give your solution to the problem...choosing instead to try and blame "the other side". The truth is...our politicians have a spending problem and that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle. So how about we FIX that problem instead of make excuses for why it's taking place?

I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. Back then the party stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual rights. Now they're in the pockets of the rich and corporations. If you people don't catch on you'll never win another presidential election. People will not stand for your party borrowing trillions of dollars from foreign banks to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. That's when this idiocy started....when Reagan cut taxes for the rich and began to borrow from foreign banks to cover the short fall. He and Bush 41 quadrupled the national debt.

Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993 while he still had enough Democrats to get it done and generated 22 million new jobs, balanced the budget, genrated surpluses and had the entire debt on track to be paid off by 2012. Then along came George....cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition, started two wars...one totally unnecessary then doubled the national debt again.

When Bush left office at the end of his last budget the interest due and payable was $451 billion. Four years of that...over a trillion and a half dollars of accumulated debt just to pay interest on the debt which existed when Obama started. You people need to get your heads out of your asses.

And the current Democrat Party is. Is the make-up of the party today what it was 30 years ago as well?

 

[Cammmpbell]

Pardon me for pointing out the obvious here, Cam but deficit spending isn't a "GOP thing"...it's something that BOTH parties are guilty of. The amount of debt added since Barack Obama took office is staggering.

Once again you've declined to give your solution to the problem...choosing instead to try and blame "the other side". The truth is...our politicians have a spending problem and that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle. So how about we FIX that problem instead of make excuses for why it's taking place?

I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. Back then the party stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual rights. Now they're in the pockets of the rich and corporations. If you people don't catch on you'll never win another presidential election. People will not stand for your party borrowing trillions of dollars from foreign banks to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. That's when this idiocy started....when Reagan cut taxes for the rich and began to borrow from foreign banks to cover the short fall. He and Bush 41 quadrupled the national debt.

Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993 while he still had enough Democrats to get it done and generated 22 million new jobs, balanced the budget, genrated surpluses and had the entire debt on track to be paid off by 2012. Then along came George....cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition, started two wars...one totally unnecessary then doubled the national debt again.

When Bush left office at the end of his last budget the interest due and payable was $451 billion. Four years of that...over a trillion and a half dollars of accumulated debt just to pay interest on the debt which existed when Obama started. You people need to get your heads out of your asses.

And the current Democrat Party is. Is the make-up of the party today what it was 30 years ago as well?

They want to spend the money on research, education, the poverty stricken, rebuilding the infrastructure, research etc. instead of tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. That will get my vote every time....plus the fact that I voted Republican from 1956 to 1884 and the party left me......I didn't leave them.

 

[AsheedMidrarwz]

I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. Back then the party stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual rights. Now they're in the pockets of the rich and corporations. If you people don't catch on you'll never win another presidential election. People will not stand for your party borrowing trillions of dollars from foreign banks to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. That's when this idiocy started....when Reagan cut taxes for the rich and began to borrow from foreign banks to cover the short fall. He and Bush 41 quadrupled the national debt.

Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993 while he still had enough Democrats to get it done and generated 22 million new jobs, balanced the budget, genrated surpluses and had the entire debt on track to be paid off by 2012. Then along came George....cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition, started two wars...one totally unnecessary then doubled the national debt again.

When Bush left office at the end of his last budget the interest due and payable was $451 billion. Four years of that...over a trillion and a half dollars of accumulated debt just to pay interest on the debt which existed when Obama started. You people need to get your heads out of your asses.

And the current Democrat Party is. Is the make-up of the party today what it was 30 years ago as well?

They want to spend the money on research, education, the poverty stricken, rebuilding the infrastructure, research etc. instead of tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. That will get my vote every time....plus the fact that I voted Republican from 1956 to 1884 and the party left me......I didn't leave them.

Have you always supported unions in govt?

 

[Oldstyle]

Here's what caused the trillion dollar a year deficits...each year $400 billion of it to pay the interest on the Reagan/Bushes debt. You Republicans aren't too damn smart and the rest of us have caught on:

Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT............................

Pardon me for pointing out the obvious here, Cam but deficit spending isn't a "GOP thing"...it's something that BOTH parties are guilty of. The amount of debt added since Barack Obama took office is staggering.

Once again you've declined to give your solution to the problem...choosing instead to try and blame "the other side". The truth is...our politicians have a spending problem and that goes for BOTH sides of the aisle. So how about we FIX that problem instead of make excuses for why it's taking place?

I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. Back then the party stood for balanced budgets, small government and individual rights. Now they're in the pockets of the rich and corporations. If you people don't catch on you'll never win another presidential election. People will not stand for your party borrowing trillions of dollars from foreign banks to fund tax cuts for the wealthy. That's when this idiocy started....when Reagan cut taxes for the rich and began to borrow from foreign banks to cover the short fall. He and Bush 41 quadrupled the national debt.

Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993 while he still had enough Democrats to get it done and generated 22 million new jobs, balanced the budget, genrated surpluses and had the entire debt on track to be paid off by 2012. Then along came George....cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democratic opposition, started two wars...one totally unnecessary then doubled the national debt again.

When Bush left office at the end of his last budget the interest due and payable was $451 billion. Four years of that...over a trillion and a half dollars of accumulated debt just to pay interest on the debt which existed when Obama started. You people need to get your heads out of your asses.

I find you to be rather naive, Cam. In 2008, Barack Obama received far more Wall Street money than John McCain. Since you maintain that the GOP is in the "pocket" of corporations that's totally illogical...unless of course the corporations that gave to the Democrats saw them in more or less the same light as the Republicans.

I see that you are also naive when it comes to economics. Bill Clinton didn't create all those jobs and balance those budgets on his own and it certainly wasn't his tax raises that accomplished that. He was the beneficiary of three things...the first was the Dot Com Boom...the second was that we were involved in no major conflicts and the Cold War had come to a halt...and the third is that the GOP took over the House and forced him into making cuts to spending. Those balanced budgets should be credited to the conservatives "Contract with America" as much as anything Bill Clinton did. Sorry, but that's simply reality. Trying to make the case that a tax raise NOW is going to recreate what happened back then is the height of nonsense. Bill Clinton was at heart a fiscal conservative...Barack Obama at heart is a tax and spend liberal. It's apples and watermelons to compare the two as leaders.

The reason we started running those huge deficits under Bush is because we were at war following 9/11 and we continue to BE at war whether you want to admit it or not. Islamic terrorists haven't gone away with the election of Barack Obama...if anything they have become stronger. The so called "Arab Spring" is NOT good news for us.

 

[Avatar4321]

So should Boehner.

 

[Cammmpbell]

And the current Democrat Party is. Is the make-up of the party today what it was 30 years ago as well?

They want to spend the money on research, education, the poverty stricken, rebuilding the infrastructure, research etc. instead of tax breaks for corporations and the wealthy. That will get my vote every time....plus the fact that I voted Republican from 1956 to 1884 and the party left me......I didn't leave them.

Have you always supported unions in govt?

Unions pulled the poor working class up from miserable living into a middle class in this country...I saw it. In 1948 a carpenter or plumber made just enough to put food on the table and live in a shotgun styled house. The idea of them saving enough money for any extra education or vacation was not part of their budget. Unions got raises, pensions, vacations, sick leave, hospitalization and made it possible for them to send their kids to college and retire with some dignity. You think companies would never go back to the way they were but wait till they have broken the last union in this country and watch. No company has ever paid anybody a penny more than they had to and they are obsessed with bottom line profits. As soon as they don't have to worry about a substantial number of employees being represented and having bargaining power they will pay folks about like a Maylasian day laborer with no benefits. The rich Republicans and companies would love to see poorhouses on the American scene again. Do you even have a clue about what a poor house is?

Here is a direct quote from the first president I ever voted for:

“Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. … Their number is negligible and they are stupid.” ~Dwight D. Eisenhower~

I might point out that during Ike's two terms the tax structure was such that anyone earning more than $300,000 a year paid 91% of the excess to the government. That's back when the Republicans balanced their budgets....before Reagan and the Bushes.