Blacks who do not believe in integration or Interracial marriage

Get over it.

The species is strengthened from variation in the gene pool.

Children today are not viewed as descendants of the Slave/Master system except by nutcases like you. We don't need to revisit the past. Look forward to our mixed-race future. Hooray!

Who species is strenthened?,the Caucasian race has many genetic mutations
in their gene pool. Who's species is strenthened Reilly T?.I for one feel the Black race contaminates its gene pool by mixing
with other races.The Black race being the oringinal, and oldest gene pool, according to anthropological studies.
 
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Who species is strenthened?,the Caucasian race has many genetic mutations
in their gene pool. Who's species is strenthened Reilly T?.I for one feel the Black race contaminates its gene pool by mixing
with other races.The Black race being the oringinal, and oldest gene pool, according to anthropological studies.

The first homo sapiens could have had purple skin for all we know. This is just a bunch of nonsense you are spewing. And mixing genetic pools really is not all that beneficial in all cases. Assume you have two bird breeds that can interbreed:

Birdus longus
and
Birdus shortus

The longus species has a long beak and it can easily suck the nectar out of certain local flowers very well and does so to substain itself.

The shurtus breed has a short. stout beak that can break local nuts open, which it then 6eats to substain itself.

However, over the years they interbreed, and they create a species of medium beaked birds that can neither get to the nectar nor crack the nuts open without cracking their own beaks.

The species goes extinct.

Humans have survived as a species and climbed to the top of the food change not because of any great phsysical traits. In fact, we are pretty weak, clumsy and myopic compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. But we have that big fat brain on our shoulders. Our one great asset.

Speaking of myopia, its interesting that things like myopia, which is genetically based, is highly correlated with greater intelligence. Maybe the slower, weaker, and blinder we become as a species, the smarter we will get. It's doubtful now, though, because social programs have alrgely circumvented survival of the fittest when it comes to humans.
 
Just because someone is Ethiopian does not mean that have any more knowledge than anyone else. For example, many people believe that men have always worn pants or that people have always been world travelers.

It would seem that anywhere Caucasians, whites and Arabs, colonized they would have left some genetic imprint. Some people will always mix that is just they do and have always done.

Arabs and whites have never colonized Ethiopia, no evidence exists for that and the Ethiopian I know has genetic studies that prove this and we have both discussed this topic ad-naseum for the last 3 years.
 
On eithiopians specifically? At least 5-6, most by Paloni or Sforza. And, sorry to say, but, yes, the Oromo are "more white" than they are black. Cry about it. Or go to sleep and dream your little afro-fantasies. A little dancing sambo in Egypt and the horn of Africa no doubt.


Oromo are *NOT* more white than black and not even white in anyway at all. lets me school your stupid self:

Oromo are mostly E3b1 paternally, which is an East African male haplogroup, only 3.8% of Oromo have any mixture indicative of West Eurasia and this infusion of West Eurasian mixture came very early before there were any people called Arabs and from a people who's phenotype we don't even know. Arabs are mostly haplogroup J-M267, which is high, but not predominant in Ethiopian Amharas due to *FOUNDER EFFECT and GENETIC DRIFT*, not an influx of Arabs. In fact, Ethiopian J-M267 predates the Arab language and any group called "Arabs".
 
Say good-bye to dancing sambo.


“Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians, indicating that placement of these individuals in a ‘Black’ cluster would be an inaccurate reflection of the genetic structure. Only 24% of the Ethiopians are placed in the cluster with the Bantu and most of the Afro-Caribbeans.” (Passarino et al. 1998)

“On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation…. Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited … Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females.” (Poloni et al. 1997)

Ethiopian mitochondrial DNA heritage: tracking gen...[Am J Hum Genet. 2004] - PubMed Result
Human Biology 75.2 (2003) 293-300
The occurrence of E*5 212 and E*5 204 alleles in two populations of the Mediterranean basin (Turkey and Italy) but not in West Africans can be explained by taking into account that the Ethiopian gene pool was estimated to be >40% of Caucasoid derivation (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). In addition, more recent phylogenetic analysis based on classical protein polymorphism (Tartaglia et al. 1996) and Y-chromosome sequence variation (Underhill et al. 2000) showed that Ethiopians appear to be distinct from Africans and more closely associated with populations of the Mediterranean basin.

Genetic Variation at Apolipoprotein E Locus in Ethiopia:
An E5 Variant Corresponds to Two Different Mutant Alleles: E*5 (Glu212Lys) and E*5 (Gln204Lys; Cys112Arg) R. Scacchi et al.
Approximately 10 miles separate the Horn of Africa from the Arabian Peninsula at Bab-el-Mandeb (the Gate of Tears). Both historic and archaeological evidence indicate tight cultural connections, over millennia, between these two regions. High-resolution phylogenetic analysis of 270 Ethiopian and 115 Yemeni mitochondrial DNAs was performed in a worldwide context, to explore gene flow across the Red and Arabian Seas. Nine distinct subclades, including three newly defined ones, were found to characterize entirely the variation of Ethiopian and Yemeni L3 lineages. Both Ethiopians and Yemenis contain an almost-equal proportion of Eurasian-specific M and N and African-specific lineages and therefore cluster together in a multidimensional scaling plot between Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African populations. Phylogeographic identification of potential founder haplotypes revealed that approximately one-half of haplogroup L0-L5 lineages in Yemenis have close or matching counterparts in southeastern Africans, compared with a minor share in Ethiopians. Newly defined clade L6, the most frequent haplogroup in Yemenis, showed no close matches among 3,000 African samples. These results highlight the complexity of Ethiopian and Yemeni genetic heritage and are consistent with the introduction of maternal lineages into the South Arabian gene pool from different source populations of East Africa. A high proportion of Ethiopian lineages, significantly more abundant in the northeast of that country, trace their western Eurasian origin in haplogroup N through assorted gene flow at different times and involving different source populations. (Toomas Kivisild et al.)

Though present-day Ethiopia is a land of great ethnic diversity, the majority of Ethiopians speak different Semitic, Cushitic, and Omotic languages that belong to the Afro-Asiatic linguistic phylum. Maternal lineages of Semitic- (Amharic, Tigrinya, and Gurage) and Cushitic- (Oromo and Afar) speaking populations studied here reveal that their mtDNA pool is a nearly equal composite of sub-Saharan and western Eurasian lineages. This finding, consistent with classic genetic-marker studies (Cavalli-Sforza 1997) and previous mtDNA results, is also in agreement with a similarly high proportion of western Asian Y chromosomes in Ethiopians (Passarino et al. 1998; Semino et al. 2002), which supports the view (Richards et al. 2003) that the observed admixture between sub-Saharan African and, most probably, western Asian ancestors of the Ethiopian populations applies to their gene pool in general. (Am. J. Hum. Genet., 75:000, 2004)

“The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo, the most important group among the Cushitic people. … The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position.” (De Stefano et al. 2002)


“Non sub-Saharan African samples are all grouped together…with…the Ethiopian Amharic sample [on the Y-chromosome]. Ethiopians are not statistically differentiated from the Egyptian and Tunisian samples, in agreement with their linguistic affiliation with the Afro-Asiatic family.” (Scacchi et al. 2003)
 
Say good-bye to dancing sambo.


“Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians, indicating that placement of these individuals in a ‘Black’ cluster would be an inaccurate reflection of the genetic structure. Only 24% of the Ethiopians are placed in the cluster with the Bantu and most of the Afro-Caribbeans.” (Passarino et al. 1998)

“On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation…. Our Ethiopian sample also lacks the sY81-G allele, which was associated with 86% and 69% of Senegalese and mixed-African YAP+ chromosomes, respectively. This suggests that male-mediated gene flow from Niger-Congo speakers to the Ethiopian population was probably very limited … Caucasoid gene flow into the Ethiopian gene pool occurred predominantly through males. Conversely, the Niger-Congo contribution to the Ethiopian population occurred mainly through females.” (Poloni et al. 1997)

Ethiopian mitochondrial DNA heritage: tracking gen...[Am J Hum Genet. 2004] - PubMed Result
Human Biology 75.2 (2003) 293-300
The occurrence of E*5 212 and E*5 204 alleles in two populations of the Mediterranean basin (Turkey and Italy) but not in West Africans can be explained by taking into account that the Ethiopian gene pool was estimated to be >40% of Caucasoid derivation (Cavalli-Sforza et al. 1994). In addition, more recent phylogenetic analysis based on classical protein polymorphism (Tartaglia et al. 1996) and Y-chromosome sequence variation (Underhill et al. 2000) showed that Ethiopians appear to be distinct from Africans and more closely associated with populations of the Mediterranean basin.

Genetic Variation at Apolipoprotein E Locus in Ethiopia:
An E5 Variant Corresponds to Two Different Mutant Alleles: E*5 (Glu212Lys) and E*5 (Gln204Lys; Cys112Arg) R. Scacchi et al.
Approximately 10 miles separate the Horn of Africa from the Arabian Peninsula at Bab-el-Mandeb (the Gate of Tears). Both historic and archaeological evidence indicate tight cultural connections, over millennia, between these two regions. High-resolution phylogenetic analysis of 270 Ethiopian and 115 Yemeni mitochondrial DNAs was performed in a worldwide context, to explore gene flow across the Red and Arabian Seas. Nine distinct subclades, including three newly defined ones, were found to characterize entirely the variation of Ethiopian and Yemeni L3 lineages. Both Ethiopians and Yemenis contain an almost-equal proportion of Eurasian-specific M and N and African-specific lineages and therefore cluster together in a multidimensional scaling plot between Near Eastern and sub-Saharan African populations. Phylogeographic identification of potential founder haplotypes revealed that approximately one-half of haplogroup L0-L5 lineages in Yemenis have close or matching counterparts in southeastern Africans, compared with a minor share in Ethiopians. Newly defined clade L6, the most frequent haplogroup in Yemenis, showed no close matches among 3,000 African samples. These results highlight the complexity of Ethiopian and Yemeni genetic heritage and are consistent with the introduction of maternal lineages into the South Arabian gene pool from different source populations of East Africa. A high proportion of Ethiopian lineages, significantly more abundant in the northeast of that country, trace their western Eurasian origin in haplogroup N through assorted gene flow at different times and involving different source populations. (Toomas Kivisild et al.)

Though present-day Ethiopia is a land of great ethnic diversity, the majority of Ethiopians speak different Semitic, Cushitic, and Omotic languages that belong to the Afro-Asiatic linguistic phylum. Maternal lineages of Semitic- (Amharic, Tigrinya, and Gurage) and Cushitic- (Oromo and Afar) speaking populations studied here reveal that their mtDNA pool is a nearly equal composite of sub-Saharan and western Eurasian lineages. This finding, consistent with classic genetic-marker studies (Cavalli-Sforza 1997) and previous mtDNA results, is also in agreement with a similarly high proportion of western Asian Y chromosomes in Ethiopians (Passarino et al. 1998; Semino et al. 2002), which supports the view (Richards et al. 2003) that the observed admixture between sub-Saharan African and, most probably, western Asian ancestors of the Ethiopian populations applies to their gene pool in general. (Am. J. Hum. Genet., 75:000, 2004)

“The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The two main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara, descended from Arabian conquerors, and the Oromo, the most important group among the Cushitic people. … The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara and Oromo located in an intermediate position.” (De Stefano et al. 2002)


“Non sub-Saharan African samples are all grouped together…with…the Ethiopian Amharic sample [on the Y-chromosome]. Ethiopians are not statistically differentiated from the Egyptian and Tunisian samples, in agreement with their linguistic affiliation with the Afro-Asiatic family.” (Scacchi et al. 2003)

You idiot, I know where you got that information from, and I personally debated the person who wrote that nonsense.
 
You idiot, I know where you got that information from, and I personally debated the person who wrote that nonsense.

S'ok afropuff, even Sambos have to die sometime.

The person did not "write it"; it's almost entirely copied verbatim from the studies listed. I guess you have a problem with some of the greatest population geneticists on the planet, eh?
 
S'ok afropuff, even Sambos have to die sometime.

The person did not "write it"; it's almost entirely copied verbatim from the studies listed. I guess you have a problem with some of the greatest population geneticists on the planet, eh?


"“Notably, 62% of the Ethiopians fall in the first cluster, which encompasses the majority of the Jews, Norwegians and Armenians, indicating that placement of these individuals in a ‘Black’ cluster would be an inaccurate reflection of the genetic structure. Only 24% of the Ethiopians are placed in the cluster with the Bantu and most of the Afro-Caribbeans.” (Passarino et al. 1998)"

I actually emailed and got and got a response from Wilson et al, on that 62% figure and this is what he said:


Dear Mr. Rigaud,

Thank you for your email. I am interested to know more about your
project. What are its aims? Where are you reading Anthropology? Who is
supervising you?

The link you provided is broken, but I presume it related to Table 2 of

my paper where the proportion of Ethiopian ancestry lying in cluster A
is given as 62%. This corresponds to what is often called Western
Eurasian ancestry.

I am sure that the origin of non-Africans in East Africa is part of the

reason for this finding, but it is also likely that more recent (within

the last 20,000 years) gene flow across the Bab el Mandeb will
contribute to this situation. The degree to which the 'mixed' ancestry
is due to recent vs ancient mixing/separation could be estimated with a

series of genealogical genetic systems such as the Y chromosome, but
not
with lots of unlinked loci each of which gives very little gene
genealogical information. Unfortunately we are not at that stage yet
and
there are still a large number of unsolved multifurcations even in the
Y
tree which pertain directly to this question. And the Y is only one
genetic locus. There are also hints from mtDNA of course. It should
eventually be able to take the lineages that we see in E Africa and
dissect out those that are due to what I am calling recent
(back-)migration (as they would descend from lineages originating
outside Africa), we could probably identify those that provide evidence

that E Africa is the homeland of non-Africans (those which are the
closest in the gene tree to the non-African lineages, closer than all
the other African lineages, and perhaps not found outside E Africa, or
at least with much lower diversity) and finally the aboriginal African
lineages which are found across Africa. As E Africa may also be the
place where our species arose, there may also be a fourth type of
lineage which would also be more diverse in East Africa, the deepest
lineages of all, the first branches in the gene tree. This is an
idealised situation and not all gene trees would show it but given
enough of them we should begin to pick out whether this scenario or
another represents our history.


It is a great shame that the human genome diversity panel does not
include any samples from the horn of Africa, as we would probably then
have seen the same pattern in Noah Rosenberg's Science paper using
Structure. There are a number of areas around the world in which
admixture has occurred in pre-Colombian times between indigenous
populations, eg Island South East Asia and Central Asia, the Malagasy
etc. Then of course the colonial legacy has left millions of much more
recently admixed populations in the Americas and all over. But the horn

of Africa and around is unique in that non-Africans descend from
populations in this area. This is what makes this particular case of
admixture very interesting.

I certainly did not intend to give anyone the impression that Ethipians

were 62% "Caucasian" or somehow 'not black'. The entire point of the
paper is to show that labels such as Caucasian and black do not reflect

the underlying genetics very well and it is the underlying genetic
structure that matters for things like drug response and disease
susceptibility.


I hope this clarifies things for you.
Don't hesitate to get in touch if I can be of further assistance.
All best wishes,
Jim
 
That's right. What he's saying, which you are probably too stupid to understand, is that he classified them on the basis of the Y-chromosome, which would only gauge a male gene flow. But, then you need to calibrated for the mtDNA, which goes through the female line. This is why Sforza came to a ~40% caucasian admixture when he calculated both and not a 62% caucasian figure.

You clearly don't know wtf you are talking about, and I doubt emailing anyone will rectify the problem.
 
I sure did. And I verified half the exceprts. It's legit. You are not. You are a pathological lieing afropuff of dogshit.

Verify for your own dumb ass self:
http://ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Wilson-NatGen-01-GDR.pdf

Search for "notably" and kiss Sambo good-bye. Do I need to hold your hand to check all the other cites?

Did you read the entire study or did you just verify the quotes? For example you quoted this study:

Ethiopian mitochondrial DNA heritage: tracking gen...[Am J Hum Genet. 2004] - PubMed Result

I debated the idiots who posted the snippet you posted and exposed their stupidity:

"In contrast, the similarity of Amharas and Oromos, also expressed in other genetic loci (Fort et al. 1998; Corbo et al. 1999), supports the idea that “amharization” may have been largely a sociocultural rather than a genetic phenomenon. Yet, it is important to add here that Y-chromosomal haplogroup J1-M267, which is widespread throughout Arab-speaking countries and encompasses a third of Amharan Y chromosomes, has hardly penetrated the Cushitic-speaking Oromo population (Semino et al. 2004)."


"Several mtDNA haplogroups—such as (preHV)1, U6, and some subbranches of L3 that Ethiopians share with North African populations—display coalescent times in the early Holocene (table 3) a similar period to that estimated for North and East African Y chromosomes in haplogroup E3b1-M78, which is abundant and may have originated in Ethiopia (Cruciani et al. 2004; Luis et al. 2004). It is interesting that, like E3b1-M78, these mtDNA haplogroups are infrequent or absent in our Yemeni sample (table 1). Note that the identified time window is close to the proposed division of the Semitic and Cushitic branches of Afro-Asiatic languages (Militarev 2003) and corresponds broadly to the beginning of deep environmental changes in the deserts of the Sahara and the Arabian Peninsula, when those regions recovered from their widest span and most extreme aridity during the Last Glacial Maximum period.

On the other hand, similar to mtDNA haplogroup (preHV)1, Y-chromosomal haplogroup J1-M267 can be identified as the sole branch that is highly abundant in the Near and Middle East and in northeastern and East Africa (Underhill et al. 2000; Semino et al. 2002, 2004; Luis et al. 2004). Higher STR diversity of this Y-chromosomal clade among Europeans and Ethiopians, as compared with populations from northeastern Africa and the Middle East, suggests that it may have reached Ethiopia (and Europe) early in the Holocene, whereas its frequent spread in North Africa and the Middle East may have been driven by the expansion of Arabs since the 7th century (Semino et al. 2004). "
 
That's right. What he's saying, which you are probably too stupid to understand, is that he classified them on the basis of the Y-chromosome, which would only gauge a male gene flow. But, then you need to calibrated for the mtDNA, which goes through the female line. This is why Sforza came to a ~40% caucasian admixture when he calculated both and not a 62% caucasian figure.

You clearly don't know wtf you are talking about, and I doubt emailing anyone will rectify the problem.

Sforza didn't study the mtDNA and Y chromosone of Ethiopians, he did an autosomal study you moron, that was published almost 12 years ago.
 
Save the babble. Sforza, the greatest modern human population geneticist says that the Ethiopians are 40% caucasian.

THE END.
 
Sforza didn't study the mtDNA and Y chromosone of Ethiopians, he did an autosomal study you moron, that was published almost 12 years ago.

I don't remember. But if you expect me to believe they were doing autosomal analysis in the early 80's, you must take me and anyone reading this for an idiot. 99.9% of the people reading this won't know how ridiculous that claim is given what sforza was trying to accomplish.

What study do you believe he used, btw? Full citation.
 
Save the babble. Sforza, the greatest modern human population geneticist says that the Ethiopians are 40% caucasian.

THE END.


Sforza isn't the greatest modern human population geneticist, it was in an autosomal study that was published in his book where he said this, in which he also likewise said that Khoisan were also 51% West Eurasian and 49% African, that view is no longer accepted you moron. And not all Ethiopians are heavily mixed, the Oromo as the Bass has pointed out again and again, have certainly less admixture than Amharas, but this mixture came very early in the Late Paleolithic era, which means Ethiopians have virtually no recent admixzure from Arabs.
 
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I don't remember. But if you expect me to believe they were doing autosomal analysis in the early 80's, you must take me and anyone reading this for an idiot. 99.9% of the people reading this won't know how ridiculous that claim is given what sforza was trying to accomplish.

What study do you believe he used, btw? Full citation.

How is 12 years ago the early 80s you moron? Have you read Sforza's book?
 
How is 12 years ago the early 80s you moron? Have you read Sforza's book?

Why the fuck did you say "Almost 12 years ago", then?

His book and first ethiopian study was in 1994, the one cited. How the fuck does 2008-1994 = "almost 12 years ago"?

I thought you were saying that the study he used in his 1994 was already 12 years old. It's the only thing that made sense. Even a monkey knows 2008-1994 is not "almost 12 years".

He did later study which I've read, Y-chromosome, which matched his early studies. So it doesn't matter in my mind if was looking at autosomes or not in 1994. I'm not tracking down his 50 pound lexicon to look.
 
Why the fuck did you say "Almost 12 years ago", then?

His book and first ethiopian study was in 1994, the one cited. How the fuck does 2008-1994 = "almost 12 years ago"?

I thought you were saying that the study he used in his 1994 was already 12 years old. It's the only thing that made sense. Even a monkey knows 2008-1994 is not "almost 12 years".

He did later study which I've read, Y-chromosome, which matched his early studies. So it doesn't matter in my mind if was looking at autosomes or not in 1994. I'm not tracking down his 50 pound lexicon to look.

There's a big difference between autosomes and Y-chromosones you idiot, Y-chromosones study the male line only and autosomes are gender neutral. There are clear differences between Ethiopian groups in relation to their Y-chromosones, that was already posted for you to se by yours truly. Cavalli-Sforza did no later study of Ethiopian Y-chromosones, post that study or the name of it.
 
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