Blackrock and the Vanguard Group

[Toro]

So, I was looking for information about the Iraq war. I looked up oil companies.

It seems that Exxon is the company making the most profit in Iraq right now out of all the foreign oil companies.

I looked for the owners of Exxon, I found that Vanguard and Blackrock are numbers one and two.

Who owns Exxon Mobil Corporation? Top holders of XOM according 13F SEC filings - stockzoa

Not sure how much to trust this website.

I then looked at who owned Vanguard and Blackrock.

Seems Vanguard and Blackrock are the biggest owners of these two companies.

It would seem to be a way for rich people to hide what they own.

So who owns Vanguard and Blackrock? I mean in terms of individuals. Who benefits from their profits in Iraq?

Halliburton is also owned by these two (as largest shareholders).

Lockheed Martin made a killing in Iraq.

Vanguard and Blackrock are two of the top four investors. State Street and Capital World Ventures are there too.

Boeing also made a killing in Iraq. Vanguard and Blackrock being 1 and 2.

General Dynamics made a killing in Iraq. 4th and 5th are Vanguard and Blackrock.

There are other companies that appear often. Companies like State Street Corportation which have Vanguard and Blackrock as 3 + 4

Others have information missing on this site.

So, who owns all of this? Yes, I understand there might be a large amount of shareholders. But these rich people will own a lot of these companies, or the companies that own the companies that own the companies that own the companies.

Who are the major players and why can't you figure it out?

Blackrock and Vanguard are the largest shareholders in most American companies. They run what are known as "passive funds" meaning they invest based on the construction of an index like the S&P 500. They don't actively manage their funds, i.e. they don't have portfolio managers who say "Hmm, I want to buy a lot of Exxon today."

The reason why they are the largest shareholders is because Vanguard is the largest passive mutual fund company while Blackrock is the larges manager of passive Exchange Traded Funds.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What does 9/11 have to do with Iraq?

Read my post again...this time slowly....

Fucking hell, it was a rhetorical question.

Because everyone knows it had NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ.

Did the US pay for a coup against Venezuela in 2002?
Did the US invade Iraq in 2003?
Did the US put sanctions against Iran?
Did the US put sanctions against Venezuela?
Did the US bomb and help rebels in Libya?

 

[Rambunctious]

Fucking hell, it was a rhetorical question.

Because everyone knows it had NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ.

The excuse for invading Iraq just a year after 9-11 was to keep WMD's out of the hands of Jihadists....so it had a lot to do with Iraq and our mindset at that time...you see?...simple mined liberals have very short memories....9-11 put our nation on high alert...everyone thought the next attack would be on the streets of a major city...the CIA was wrong and led Bush down a rat hole but try and remember where our minds where back then....or maybe you were too young...

 

[frigidweirdo]

Fucking hell, it was a rhetorical question.

Because everyone knows it had NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ.

The excuse for invading Iraq just a year after 9-11 was to keep WMD's out of the hands of Jihadists....so it had a lot to do with Iraq and our mindset at that time...you see?...simple mined liberals have very short memories....9-11 put our nation on high alert...everyone thought the next attack would be on the streets of a major city...the CIA was wrong and led Bush down a rat hole but try and remember where our minds where back then....or maybe you were too young...

Not really at all.

Saddam wasn't with the Jihadists. You see?

The Ba'ath party was full of Christians.

Iraqi Christians

"Tareq Aziz, Saddam's First Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister at the time of the Gulf War, is a Christian."

"Saddam had a trusted personal bodyguard who was a Christian, Hani Gegeo"

So why would Saddam start handing out WMDs to Jihadists who he didn't like?

Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda Are Not Allies

From September 30th 2002.

"
Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda Are Not Allies"

Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations - Wikipedia

"Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations were made by the U.S. government officials who claimed that a highly secretive relationship existed between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and the radical Islamist militant organization Al-Qaeda between 1992 and 2003, specifically through a series of meetings reportedly involving the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS).[1] In the lead up to the Iraq War, U.S. President George W. Bush alleged that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda might conspire to launch terrorist attacks on the United States,[2] basing the administration's rationale for war, in part, on this allegation and others. The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda."

The "mindset" seems to be that Bush knew he could get away with making shit up because the people were angry and would believe what they wanted to believe. If they managed to convince people that Saddam was linked to al Qaeda, then they could go for war, and this is exactly what they did.

The CIA were wrong? Of course they were.

But the CIA weren't the only people going out there collecting information. The NSA was too. Bush IGNORED the NSA. Why? Why ignore one side over the other? Because he knew, or his people knew, that the CIA's evidence was what they wanted. And the CIA had been sent out there to COLLECT the data that Bush's people wanted.

 

[Rambunctious]

Fucking hell, it was a rhetorical question.

Because everyone knows it had NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ.

The excuse for invading Iraq just a year after 9-11 was to keep WMD's out of the hands of Jihadists....so it had a lot to do with Iraq and our mindset at that time...you see?...simple mined liberals have very short memories....9-11 put our nation on high alert...everyone thought the next attack would be on the streets of a major city...the CIA was wrong and led Bush down a rat hole but try and remember where our minds where back then....or maybe you were too young...

Not really at all.

Saddam wasn't with the Jihadists. You see?

The Ba'ath party was full of Christians.

Iraqi Christians

"Tareq Aziz, Saddam's First Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister at the time of the Gulf War, is a Christian."

"Saddam had a trusted personal bodyguard who was a Christian, Hani Gegeo"

So why would Saddam start handing out WMDs to Jihadists who he didn't like?

Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda Are Not Allies

From September 30th 2002.

"
Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda Are Not Allies"

Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations - Wikipedia

"Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations were made by the U.S. government officials who claimed that a highly secretive relationship existed between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and the radical Islamist militant organization Al-Qaeda between 1992 and 2003, specifically through a series of meetings reportedly involving the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS).[1] In the lead up to the Iraq War, U.S. President George W. Bush alleged that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda might conspire to launch terrorist attacks on the United States,[2] basing the administration's rationale for war, in part, on this allegation and others. The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda."

The "mindset" seems to be that Bush knew he could get away with making shit up because the people were angry and would believe what they wanted to believe. If they managed to convince people that Saddam was linked to al Qaeda, then they could go for war, and this is exactly what they did.

The CIA were wrong? Of course they were.

But the CIA weren't the only people going out there collecting information. The NSA was too. Bush IGNORED the NSA. Why? Why ignore one side over the other? Because he knew, or his people knew, that the CIA's evidence was what they wanted. And the CIA had been sent out there to COLLECT the data that Bush's people wanted.

Don't give me that Bull shit...Hind site is 20/20...try and remember how you felt on 9-12-01....the CIA purposely lied to Bush so he would go into Iraq....ruining his presidency....we all went along with it....Hillary...Senator Obama...even Sanders...and Reid and Pelosi....

 

[frigidweirdo]

Fucking hell, it was a rhetorical question.

Because everyone knows it had NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ.

The excuse for invading Iraq just a year after 9-11 was to keep WMD's out of the hands of Jihadists....so it had a lot to do with Iraq and our mindset at that time...you see?...simple mined liberals have very short memories....9-11 put our nation on high alert...everyone thought the next attack would be on the streets of a major city...the CIA was wrong and led Bush down a rat hole but try and remember where our minds where back then....or maybe you were too young...

Not really at all.

Saddam wasn't with the Jihadists. You see?

The Ba'ath party was full of Christians.

Iraqi Christians

"Tareq Aziz, Saddam's First Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister at the time of the Gulf War, is a Christian."

"Saddam had a trusted personal bodyguard who was a Christian, Hani Gegeo"

So why would Saddam start handing out WMDs to Jihadists who he didn't like?

Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda Are Not Allies

From September 30th 2002.

"
Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda Are Not Allies"

Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations - Wikipedia

"Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda link allegations were made by the U.S. government officials who claimed that a highly secretive relationship existed between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and the radical Islamist militant organization Al-Qaeda between 1992 and 2003, specifically through a series of meetings reportedly involving the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS).[1] In the lead up to the Iraq War, U.S. President George W. Bush alleged that Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda might conspire to launch terrorist attacks on the United States,[2] basing the administration's rationale for war, in part, on this allegation and others. The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission and by declassified Defense Department reports[3] as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda."

The "mindset" seems to be that Bush knew he could get away with making shit up because the people were angry and would believe what they wanted to believe. If they managed to convince people that Saddam was linked to al Qaeda, then they could go for war, and this is exactly what they did.

The CIA were wrong? Of course they were.

But the CIA weren't the only people going out there collecting information. The NSA was too. Bush IGNORED the NSA. Why? Why ignore one side over the other? Because he knew, or his people knew, that the CIA's evidence was what they wanted. And the CIA had been sent out there to COLLECT the data that Bush's people wanted.

Don't give me that Bull shit...Hind site is 20/20...try and remember how you felt on 9-12-01....the CIA purposely lied to Bush so he would go into Iraq....ruining his presidency....we all went along with it....Hillary...Senator Obama...even Sanders...and Reid and Pelosi....

The problem here is we don't need to look at how we felt back then.

How we felt only goes to show that the Bush administration knew they could manipulate the people.

Bush going into Iraq didn't destroy his presidency, he got re-elected, and with a large margin than before. His approval ratings were at their second highest when he went into Iraq.

Cheney was at the forefront of all of this.

The Vice President Appears on NBC's Meet the Press

He told the press that Iraq was harboring an al Qaeda suspect of the 1993 Twin Towers attack, Abdul Rahman Yasin. However it appeared that Yasin was a prisoner of Saddam.

"RUSSERT: What we do know is that Iraq is harboring terrorists. This was from Jim Hoagland in The Washington Post that George W. Bush said that Abdul Ramini Yazen (ph)"

"CHENEY: Well, the evidence is pretty conclusive that the Iraqis have indeed harbored terrorists."

"CHENEY: Over the years, for example, they've provided a safe harbor for Abu Nadal (ph),"

September 2003 Cheney was again saying that Iraq gave aid to al Qaeda.

By 2006 Bush was saying he never said there was a connection between al Qaeda and Iraq.

President Discusses War on Terror and Operation Iraqi Freedom

Bush: "I don't think we ever said -- at least I know I didn't say that there was a direct connection between September the 11th and Saddam Hussein. We did say that he was a state sponsor of terror -- by the way, not declared a state sponsor of terror by me, but declared by other administrations. "

"Like you, I asked that very same question, where did we go wrong on intelligence. The truth of the matter is the whole world thought that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. It wasn't just my administration, it was the previous administration."

So, he's basically saying the whole world thought this, because his administration told everyone. They also call it the "Bush administration" because no one was actually sure that Bush was the guy in charge.

We can go back to Blackrock and Vanguard and see that they own a large portion of Halliburton. As did Cheney. He was a Halliburton man.

Who was telling the CIA to do what they were doing?

The funny thing is, there was a guy who lied, and everyone knew he was lying, and everyone wanted to believe him.

Man whose WMD lies led to 100,000 deaths confesses all

""Curveball", the Iraqi defector who fabricated claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction"

"It was a confidence trick that changed the course of history, with Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi's lies used to justify the Iraq war."

"The chemical engineer claimed to have overseen the building of a mobile biological laboratory when he sought political asylum in Germany in 1999. His lies were presented as "facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence" by Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, when making the case for war at the UN Security Council in February 2003."

"US officials "sexed up" Mr Janabi's drawings of mobile biological weapons labs to make them more presentable, admits Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, General Powell's former chief of staff. "I brought the White House team in to do the graphics," he says, adding how "intelligence was being worked to fit around the policy"."

This guy was a known liar, he lied to gain asylum in Germany. He'd say whatever to get it because he was on the run because he stole money.

Iraqi: I'm proud my WMD lies led to war in Iraq

"Although some intelligence agents were skeptical of Curveball's story, the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee reported in 2004 that the Central Intelligence Agency "withheld important information about Curveball's reliability" from analysts dealing with the case."

Another guy is Khidir Hamza, a nuclear scientist who left Iraq in 1994. He stood up in front of the Senate in the US and said Iraq possessed Uranium. But the problem was, he's left 8 years before that and could not have had a clue what the current situation was in Iraq.

This wasn't just the CIA making stuff up. It was the US govt actively using what people were saying and twisting it to fit.

They even twisted what the CIA said. So no matter how much the CIA said, the US govt WANTED it to happen.

 

[Maxdeath]

So you are using all this to somehow use black rock and others of what? What exactly are you trying to come up with? That the U.S. got rid of a brutal dictator? That the U.S. made a mistake? That they used the WMDs as a reason to remove a dictator that his people hated? That black rock has shares in Haliburton?

I am trying to understand just what you want to develop into a theory here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So you are using all this to somehow use black rock and others of what? What exactly are you trying to come up with? That the U.S. got rid of a brutal dictator? That the U.S. made a mistake? That they used the WMDs as a reason to remove a dictator that his people hated? That black rock has shares in Haliburton?

I am trying to understand just what you want to develop into a theory here.

Let's try this.

The US is supposedly a democracy. It's hardly a democracy and there are forces out there that control the US.

But it's impossible to know who is controlling the US.

Yes, we know about Soros and the Koch brothers. But what influence do they have? And who else is there?

How do they get money from their pockets into the pockets of those who then carry out their actions?

When looking at the Koch brothers, you realize that they put money into one organization, that sends money to another organization, that sends money to a third organization, all of which are controlled by the Koch brothers.

The Koch brothers then say the last organization is funded by lots of people. Potentially they have friends putting in little donation from little get togethers etc, while they're moving money around pretending that it isn't their money that's getting moved.

So they're spending more money than anyone can know, can't trace the money at all. And it might not even be their money. It could be the Koch brothers sell themselves to other rich people to be the front for all this money and power.

Why go to war in Iraq? It's clear that it was a decision made about "American's interests" but this being "rich American's interests".

They get to use the US military as their own personal military, all they have to do is convince the country they want this war and they get it. They can try buying presidents, because you need the White House, they can easily buy enough Congressmen, seemingly they've got to grips with the Supreme Court too.

The Koch brothers, or whoever, spent a lot of money getting Trump in to get the Supreme Court place. Even though they don't like Trump.

Everything is about making themselves richer. And in the past 15 years the rich have got richer and the poor poorer or deader from going to wars.

 

[Rambunctious]

The problem here is we don't need to look at how we felt back then.

How we felt only goes to show that the Bush administration knew they could manipulate the people.

Bush going into Iraq didn't destroy his presidency, he got re-elected, and with a large margin than before. His approval ratings were at their second highest when he went into Iraq.

Cheney was at the forefront of all of this

The CIA and Brennan lied to Bush....Bush went to war and lost the house and the senate...Pelosi and Reid then went ballistic on bashing Bush for going into Iraq...Bush left office with a 30% apr rating and Pelosi got what she wanted....a dem in the white house....the Intel community is setting Trump up too....for the same reasons.....They hope they can win the house and impeach Trump but that would be their biggest mistake to date....

 

[Tehon]

It's Western capital penetration for Western capital profits. In other words, it's nothing new.

 

[Tehon]

The problem here is we don't need to look at how we felt back then.

How we felt only goes to show that the Bush administration knew they could manipulate the people.

Bush going into Iraq didn't destroy his presidency, he got re-elected, and with a large margin than before. His approval ratings were at their second highest when he went into Iraq.

Cheney was at the forefront of all of this

The CIA and Brennan lied to Bush....Bush went to war and lost the house and the senate...Pelosi and Reid then went ballistic on bashing Bush for going into Iraq...Bush left office with a 30% apr rating and Pelosi got what she wanted....a dem in the white house....the Intel community is setting Trump up too....for the same reasons.....They hope they can win the house and impeach Trump but that would be their biggest mistake to date....

Bush was not innocent in the Iraq war, he was an active participant.

 

[Rambunctious]

Bush was not innocent in the Iraq war, he was an active participant.

He was duped....the Bush men are push overs....

 

[Tehon]

Bush was not innocent in the Iraq war, he was an active participant.

He was duped....the Bush men are push overs....

Bullshit, the Bush administration was actively looking for a way to convince the American public to go into Iraq. He himself provided many different pretexts.

 

[Rambunctious]

Bullshit, the Bush administration was actively looking for a way to convince the American public to go into Iraq. He himself provided many different pretexts

Bush was lied to by the CIA your new favorite government entity....congrats dupe you are now an establishment pawn.....how does it feel?.....

 

[Tehon]

Bullshit, the Bush administration was actively looking for a way to convince the American public to go into Iraq. He himself provided many different pretexts

Bush was lied to by the CIA your new favorite government entity....congrats dupe you are now an establishment pawn.....how does it feel?.....

I'd disband the cia in a minute.

Bush knew what was going on.

 

[Rambunctious]

I'd disband the cia in a minute.

Bush knew what was going on.

Bullshit you would lick Brennan's balls if he asked you to....anyone at odds with Trump is your hero....you hate the man that much.....

 

[Tehon]

I'd disband the cia in a minute.

Bush knew what was going on.

Bullshit you would lick Brennan's balls if he asked you to....anyone at odds with Trump is your hero....you hate the man that much.....

I don't give a fuck about Trump, dumb ass.

 

[Rambunctious]

I don't give a fuck about Trump, dumb ass

Yeah but you like that CIA spooks balls....

 

[Tehon]

I don't give a fuck about Trump, dumb ass

Yeah but you like that CIA spooks balls....

I would disband the cia in a minute. It is the secret police of the ruling class. What don't you get?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem here is we don't need to look at how we felt back then.

How we felt only goes to show that the Bush administration knew they could manipulate the people.

Bush going into Iraq didn't destroy his presidency, he got re-elected, and with a large margin than before. His approval ratings were at their second highest when he went into Iraq.

Cheney was at the forefront of all of this

The CIA and Brennan lied to Bush....Bush went to war and lost the house and the senate...Pelosi and Reid then went ballistic on bashing Bush for going into Iraq...Bush left office with a 30% apr rating and Pelosi got what she wanted....a dem in the white house....the Intel community is setting Trump up too....for the same reasons.....They hope they can win the house and impeach Trump but that would be their biggest mistake to date....

The CIA lied. But Bush would have known they were lying.

The CIA weren't the only ones giving the president information.

As for you thinking that this was a CIA set up to get Bush out of office is ridiculous. It makes no sense. Especially as Bush served out his two terms. A massive recession helped the Democrats win, rather than the war in Iraq.

You've shown nothing to suggest anything you've said.