Black conservative tea party backers take heat

[Lonestar_logic]

I'm pro-gun, anti-irs, pro-small government, pro-school choice, and pretty much a social libertarian (pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, anti-drug war). Wouldn't dare call myself a republican or a "black conservative". Most black republicans I know fall into one of two categories, black bastards who grew up either around all whites or very few blacks complaining about how much they hate the black community because we're all moraless, lazy, crime-prone, drains to society on welfare (Jesse Lee Peterson)... or just plain idiots (Michael Steele). Most black conservatives have a preconceived notion that racism no longer exists, which we can disprove just by spending a few moments in the USMB forums on race... or that poor people cause all of their own problems.

Republicans especially, consistently neglect and undermine the African American community by offering absolutely no solutions to the REAL and SERIOUS problems that face urban and inner city life and the concerns of the African American middle class. The closest the Republican Party has come to actually trying to sway African Americans comes from their embracing of the "social conservative" message which they thought could work because the majority of African Americans ARE fundamentalist or evangelical Christians. The largest black denominations are the COGIC (pentecostal) and the African Methodist Episcopal Church, which are both socially conservative. I myself, as much as I hate moral values voters, grew up fundamentalist Apostolic/Pentecostal. Anyway this means most blacks generally AREN'T fans of gay marriage and the community is largely split down the middle on abortion.

With the rise in popularity of mega-churches that are often woed by the christian right the republican party THOUGHT they'd have a chance at doubling or maybe tripling their percentage of black voters. Remember they were talking about that in 2000 when Bush the compassionate conservative got a pretty nice percentage of black voters (which he definitely didn't get in 2004 for various reasons)? Turns out most African Americans just don't vote outside of the party and don't vote on values issues and don't see them as crucial at all. That and the fact that many blacks are becoming most socially liberal with the times and many African Americans (and even some conservative African Americans) came out in opposition to the wars, are what is leading to the Republicans loosing ground even now amongst so-called blacks.

The fact is, though I'm a moderate fiscal conservative myself, the republican party has NEVER been able to come up with an urban platform that works and that can attract urban voters. The attitude of the GOP towards the inner city is it'll never change, it's all their fault, and pull yourself up by your bootstraps. If one truly takes a look at the serious and fundamental problems that plague the black lower and in ways middle class, there are some conservative answers to the problem. For instance over-taxation choking neighborhood businesses to death, lack of accountability in the schools, the federal government failing when it comes to the bailouts, second amendment restrictions and prohibition in the city causing the formation of a massive black market (which is largely a libertarian issue, but being that I like their platform and think there's is the most plausible in the inner cities anyway this applies to them as well). There are fronts upon which the right can win, but they don't field the right candidates and refuse to address issues that concern people of color.

Of course the republican party though has embraced neo-conservativism and christian rightism which cannot and will not hold the so-called black vote. People of color saw the failure of Bushism over and over again in Katrina for instance. But instead of the Republican party telling the truth and revealing that Federal government bureaucracy and failures in FEMA and FEMA being an unnecessary federal program that should be dismantled they go about sending social conservatives to blame the people that live in New Orleans for staying in the city when there's but a few ways out of the city and tens of thousands of people who are elderly and without cars. That whole thing was a complete fail for the Republican Party and shows the disconnect. Between the Republican Party and the so-called negro community. Do I think a Democrat could have done better? No. The Federal government absolutely failed, and it failed for a reason, and the right has a strategic place to say exactly why and what happened and where the failure occurred. Instead they blamed the tens of thousands of people starving on live television for starving on live television and piss black people off even more.

Which is why people who identify with the republican party are called "uncle toms", not because they have an ideology that's different from the community's but because they identify with a party that has foolishly neglected the so-called African American community, and really doesn't even pretend to care about the inner cities. While I'll admit that the democrats only do just that "pretend", I'm a registered democrat because at least they make an effort to address us. They're not perfect as a party and I agree with them on almost nothing accept for that I'm extremely socially liberal, (though I'm probably to socially liberal for even them), but it's an avenue through which I feel comfortable working in. I don't feel comfortable working with a bunch of hicks who think that people who lived in New Orleans should have drowned or saved themselves. Now, I know that's not all the GOP stands for, but in this context that's the dynamic we have to look at here. That kind of politicking works well in the foothills but not in Atlanta, NYC, Chicago, Memphis, or Baltimore. However there is now (especially with the rise of the tea party) so little room within the Republican Party for politicians who stray away from the social agenda and who are fit to address these issues that that party specifically HAS become the party of conservative white males. That's the demographic they've focused on, and thus they've even lost much of the Hispanic base they had.

The Republican Party needs to sit down and discuss how they're going to address urban issues, and that doesn't mean that they need Michael Steele to start rapping and Michelle Bachmann standing at a pulpit saying "you da man", that shit just pisses us off more. So-called negroes don't just do things because a weak ass rap song made by a 50 something year old man with glasses and a receding hairline told us to. There is a unique experience that comes with living in the inner cities of the United States, and such experiences comes with their own concerns. Democrats know those concerns, they're just bad at dealing with them.

Why did you vote for Obama?

Because he's black.

And I support the republican congressman in my district because he's white.

I think I'll vote for a hispanic after that.

Shit I had a few reasons, on a serious note. The biggest was my frustration with the direction this nation was headed. Obama represented a change in the dynamic and an excitement in politics that we hadn't had before during the campaign. While at the time I knew that this "change" probably wouldn't translate into policy come his election (which it hasn't) I was at least going to voice my opposition to the way things were then. Come 2012 I'll be voicing my opposition to the way things STILL are and registering Republican and voting for Gary Johnson in the primaries, and then possibly Libertarian/third party in the generals (at least that's my plan as of now). Basically my opposition to the Bush days drove my vote for Obama. I know I wasn't alone in that.

In other words your " pro-gun, anti-irs, pro-small government" stance is pretty weak.

 

[Angelhair]

Democrat Party is the party of the minorities because of its social programs. Poor = Social; Social = Poor.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You know, it's really wonderful that all these black people were "appointed" to work for white people.

So Bush should not have appointed them because they were black? Gotcha. And now we see who the real racist is.

And how did Bush treat Colin Powell? I think Colin learned his lesson well. Because he endorsed, well, you know.

Bush and Powell had policy disagreements. That is what caused the fracture in their relationship.

The FACT remains that only three blacks from the Republican Party have been elected to congress since the 60s. Only three. Why is congress better? Because they actually make law. They aren't just working for the "white guy".

I'm just wondering. Did you list every black ever appointed by Republicans?

Do you ever look at people as people instead of what color they are? That's one of the stark difference I've always noticed between the right wing and the left wing. It is the left that is absolutely obsessed with race and ethnicity and dividing and segregating everybody based on those classifications. For the most part, folks on the right believe everyone should be treated the same and someone's race shouldn't matter.

As I told you before, it is lack of support for the welfare state and for discriminatory affirmative action policies as to why there have only been three black Republicans elected to Congress since the 1960s. It's not that the right is opposed to minorities; it's that a large portion of minorities don't subscribe to the ideas of limited government and individual responsibility.

Reading through this thread, it's more than evident who the big racist shit bag is. Go take a look in the mirror.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Southern Democrats a/k/a Dixicrats. They do not exist anymore. Those who held to those values ^ are now Republicans.

I'm not sure where you live, but I'm guessing it's not the south. The south is still majority Democratic. They may vote Republican at the Federal level, but at the state level the Democrats are very much entrenched and control everything. Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, West Virginia, and North Carolina all have Democrat controlled legislatures and they have been that way since Reconstruction. Tennessee's just flipped in 2008 to Republican for the first time. There have been very few Republican governors in any state down here. The shift to the GOP has been a recent event, mostly in the last 15 years.

The metamorphosis from Dixiecrat to Republican is another myth the left likes to tell.

 

[MaggieMae]

Oh, so the Tea Party is going to have some black people working for them, helping them try to force the government out of any involvement in anything that might help the economically disadvantaged in this country,

a disproportionate number of whom happen to be black.

That is elegantly repugnant.

What is utterly repugnant is people like you who aid in keeping blacks and other disadvantaged individuals trapped in government slavery instead of encouraging them to get out and make something of themselves.

What makes you think there isn't an ongoing effort for under-privileged, under-educated and unemployed to better themselves?

No Child Left Behind has been reinvented to place more emphasis on student performance, not test results. A college education will be easier since Pell grants have been increased and financial aid for college students expanded, simplified and improved. In addition, college students who engage in 100 hours of community service receive a fully-refundable tax credit of $4,000 for their education. Other community service organizations have been fully funded, such as Americorps and even the Peace Corps.

What else should be done? I'm sure if you have some good ideas, they would be welcome.

 

[WillowTree]

Black conservative tea party backers take heat - Yahoo! News

Remind us again how the tea party is racist. Remind us again how Liberals support free speech and the exchange of ideas. Remind us again how the Black Caucus kicked out a black republican cause he was not a Democrat.

The CBC kicked out a black Republican? The hell you say! What was his name? Do You remember? You don't have to answer if you don't want to cause I don't have an entitlement mentality..

 

[bodecea]

Black conservative tea party backers take heat - Yahoo! News

Remind us again how the tea party is racist. Remind us again how Liberals support free speech and the exchange of ideas. Remind us again how the Black Caucus kicked out a black republican cause he was not a Democrat.

37....out of how many elections out there?

 

[chikenwing]

No Child Left Behind has been reinvented to place more emphasis on student performance, not test results


??????????????????????????????????????

So just showing up for class is good performance???.If you want a license to perform any professional service you take a TEST,you want to drive a car,you take a test.Testing is and will remain a vital part of education.

What it really says is I don't need to be accountable,just look and sound good.

 

[MaggieMae]

It is repugnant that the KKK was created as the de facto terrorist wing of the Democrat Party; and there's nothing "elegant" about that.

A Short History of Reconstruction, (Harper & Row Publishers, Inc., 1990) by Dr. Eric Foner, the renown liberal historian who is the DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. As a further testament to his impeccable credentials, Professor Foner is only the second person to serve as president of the three major professional organizations: the Organization of American Historians, American Historical Association, and Society of American Historians.

Democrats in the last century did not hide their connections to the Ku Klux Klan. Georgia-born Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan wrote on page 21 of the September 1928 edition of the Klan’s “The Kourier Magazine”: “I have never voted for any man who was not a regular Democrat. My father … never voted for any man who was not a Democrat. My grandfather was …the head of the Ku Klux Klan in reconstruction days…. My great-grandfather was a life-long Democrat…. My great-great-grandfather was…one of the founders of the Democratic party.”

Dr. Foner in his book explores the history of the origins of Ku Klux Klan and provides a chilling account of the atrocities committed by Democrats against Republicans, black and white.

On page 146 of his book, Professor Foner wrote: “Founded in 1866 as a Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror‘ against Republican leaders black and white.” Page 184 of his book contains the definitive statements: “In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired the restoration of white supremacy. It aimed to destroy the Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.”

This would happen today? MLK's father was a republican....think he would be one now?

Get serious with your examples. Hoiw many new right wing hate groups popped up in the last two years?

seriously, just stop with that kkk dem crap. You and I both know that would not be the way it is now.

Correction: both MLK and his father were Republicans. Since the left controls the MSM why would anyone be surprised that "hate" groups pop up on the right? (unsurprisingly they never, never, pop up on the Left; cause by definition they can't be hate groups; fancy that !!)

EDIT: MLK's family is still Republican. It's because they are so much more historically aware than you, Zona, that they've made that sensible choice.

I don't know why you (collectively) continue to try to prove that there is no more hatred coming from the right as there was from the left. The numbers and the news reports simply say otherwise. I don't think anyone denies that over the years there have been issue-oriented hate groups who protested loudly and crudely, but this past year has seen an enormous increase in the type of group that fully hope to engage in civil war.

Militant and hate group Internet use grows: report - International Business Times

 

[MaggieMae]

Why do you think the Republican party of today is 90% white and only three blacks have been elected to congress from the Republican Party since the 60s while more than 90 black Democrats have been elected.

The welfare nanny state.

That has no meaning. It's just a worn-out cliche that's way past its sell-by date.

 

[MaggieMae]

I wonder if they know they're in a movement where the following is the mainstream...

Yes, Bill Ves, calling from (inaudible) I ain't gonna get no health insurance, tell that son of a bitch that, I ain't getting the damned health insurance. That goddamned ******, don't tell me I gotta get some goddamned health insurance. I ain't paying no goddamned fine. Tell that ****** he can come put my ass in jail if he don't like it. Goddamn worthless ******, and all them other ******* that voted for him. That ****** Obama and them white trash honkies that voted for that damned communist, socialist stuff. Dumb motherfuckers, Goddamn! I ain't getting the goddamned mandatory health insurance from some bitch motherfuckers! Goddamn bunch of ******,white trash honkies, sone of a bitch communist who voted for this shit. I didn't go fight in no goddamned wart so I could be forced to do something I don't want to do. So fuck all y'all *******. Fuck you John Lewis, you goddamned worthless, communist ******.

At least the guy was honest!

 

[MaggieMae]

It is repugnant that the KKK was created as the de facto terrorist wing of the Democrat Party; and there's nothing "elegant" about that.

A Short History of Reconstruction, (Harper & Row Publishers, Inc., 1990) by Dr. Eric Foner, the renown liberal historian who is the DeWitt Clinton Professor of History at Columbia University. As a further testament to his impeccable credentials, Professor Foner is only the second person to serve as president of the three major professional organizations: the Organization of American Historians, American Historical Association, and Society of American Historians.

Democrats in the last century did not hide their connections to the Ku Klux Klan. Georgia-born Democrat Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan wrote on page 21 of the September 1928 edition of the Klan’s “The Kourier Magazine”: “I have never voted for any man who was not a regular Democrat. My father … never voted for any man who was not a Democrat. My grandfather was …the head of the Ku Klux Klan in reconstruction days…. My great-grandfather was a life-long Democrat…. My great-great-grandfather was…one of the founders of the Democratic party.”

Dr. Foner in his book explores the history of the origins of Ku Klux Klan and provides a chilling account of the atrocities committed by Democrats against Republicans, black and white.

On page 146 of his book, Professor Foner wrote: “Founded in 1866 as a Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror‘ against Republican leaders black and white.” Page 184 of his book contains the definitive statements: “In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired the restoration of white supremacy. It aimed to destroy the Republican party’s infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.”

This would happen today? MLK's father was a republican....think he would be one now?

Get serious with your examples. Hoiw many new right wing hate groups popped up in the last two years?

seriously, just stop with that kkk dem crap. You and I both know that would not be the way it is now.

Right wing "hate groups???"

Exactly what "hate groups" are you talking about?

The Black Panthers that swung clubs and threatened voter election day 2008.

I mean get REAL. Liberals think Rush Limbaugh is a "hate" group.

Anytime liberals call ANYTHING full of "hate," what they really mean is they fear that group or person, because they know they can't honestly defeat them intellectually, so they have to smear them.

Such postings are by someone whose user name is "Tea Party Samurai." So TPS, whatcha plan to do with that sword if you're not full of hate?

 

[Oddball]

Black conservative tea party backers take heat - Yahoo! News

Remind us again how the tea party is racist. Remind us again how Liberals support free speech and the exchange of ideas. Remind us again how the Black Caucus kicked out a black republican cause he was not a Democrat.

37....out of how many elections out there?

What number would be acceptable to you?

Consider that blacks are something like 16% of the total population.

 

[MaggieMae]

In the US House in the original house version only 20% (138-34) of the Republicans voted against the legislation while 39% (96 of 152) voted against it amongst the Democrats. Almost exactly 3 times as many Democrats as Republicans voted against it.

In the original US Senate version amongst the republicans 18% voted against it (27-6) and amongst the Dems 31% (46-21) voted against it. Three-and-a-half times as many Dems as Reps voted against it.

Who besides Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms "bolted" to the Republican Party? It does appear that those two were conservatives, and they left for a more conservative party; who were the others?

What? Nearly the entire population of conservatives. Why do you think the Republican party of today is 90% white and only three blacks have been elected to congress from the Republican Party since the 60s while more than 90 black Democrats have been elected.

You can't seriously say that a party that is 90% white and whose elected officials nationwide are more than 96% white is a "leader" in civil rights. Surely you can see that's laughable?

The Democrat party is the sponsoring party of ABORTION. The great proportion of victims of abortion are black babies. The D party has made too many of the survivors "wards of the state," keeping them on the liberal planation.

Quote: In her own words, Margaret Sanger, The founder of Planned Parenthood, a eugenicist:

"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."

Margaret Sanger, quoted in Charles Valenza. "Was Margaret Sanger a Racist?" Family Planning Perspectives, January-February 1985, page 44.

EDIT: Thirty-seven percent of [all] abortions occur to black women, 34% to non-Hispanic white women, 22% to Hispanic women and 8% to women of other races. Considering that only 12% of the US population is black, and 37% of all abortions are by black women, the effect is egregious to black people.

So is having more children than a poor black woman can handle, or want (and thus more welfare claimants) preferable to abortion? How about community action which requires a lot of hard work by non-politicians? How many people are willing to jump in and try to establish community parenting centers or youth centers? Everyone sits at their computer screens and bitches and moans about a problem that we're all fully aware of, but you people have no better solutions than what currently exist. All you can do is cite numbers and statistics and go Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh my............. bad, bad, bad liberals........

Black illiteracy has become a genetic problem, transcended through generation after generation of being pushed to the back of the bus (figuratively). Anyone who has seen the movie "Precious" comes away with that inyourface realization, if you didn't know it going in. The movie was based on the book "Push" which is written by a woman who, as a literacy teacher in Harlem and the Bronx for many years, experienced first hand how young black women (in particular) don't stand a chance of getting out.

 

[MaggieMae]

That's a lie told over and over by Democrats, but it is still a BIG FREAKING LIE.

Connolly didn't change parties. He remained Democrat.

Bryd didn't change parties. He is STILL in the Senate and is STILL A DEMOCRAT.

Al Gore Senior didn't change parties. He was a Democrat until he died.

Wallace didn't change parties. He remained Democrat.

That bullshit lie that "conservatives" changed parties after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ignores what party in the Senate had to PASS the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and that was the Republicans.

As for who put more blacks into power.

Colin Powel was put in by a Republican.

Our first black Secretary of state (Condi Rice) was put in by a Republican.

Clarence Thomas was put in by a Republican.

First Hispanic DOJ was put in by a Republican.

First Woman USSC member was put in by a Republican.

I have heard that lie about "conservatives all became Republicans" for years.

Having lived through those years, I know it is a lie. It works on those who were born AFTER the Civil Rights years, but it doesn't work on those who actually remember those times.

This is why liberals don't want real history taught in public schools. They can't lie about history if real history is taught in schools.

BRAVO! 10 minute standing Ovation!!!

Shucks, you're making me blush.

Well...Frank is a crusader and you're a samurai. No wonder you'll become great pals. Oh, and by the way, you have a typo in your signature. I believe you want the word to be "gird" up. I don't believe "guird" is a word.

 

[MaggieMae]

I wonder if they know they're in a movement where the following is the mainstream...

Yes, Bill Ves, calling from (inaudible) I ain't gonna get no health insurance, tell that son of a bitch that, I ain't getting the damned health insurance. That goddamned ******, don't tell me I gotta get some goddamned health insurance. I ain't paying no goddamned fine. Tell that ****** he can come put my ass in jail if he don't like it. Goddamn worthless ******, and all them other ******* that voted for him. That ****** Obama and them white trash honkies that voted for that damned communist, socialist stuff. Dumb motherfuckers, Goddamn! I ain't getting the goddamned mandatory health insurance from some bitch motherfuckers! Goddamn bunch of ******,white trash honkies, sone of a bitch communist who voted for this shit. I didn't go fight in no goddamned wart so I could be forced to do something I don't want to do. So fuck all y'all *******. Fuck you John Lewis, you goddamned worthless, communist ******.

Setup and a forgery probably by an SEIU thug.

Yeah right. If they thought they could get away with it, some would be saying the same thing on C-Span's call in program. And they do try! But get as far as fucking ______ or ******, and they get cut off. Are you kidding? If you want, I can send you a link via PM to where you'll see that kind of talk in thousands of posts.

 

[MaggieMae]

What? Nearly the entire population of conservatives. Why do you think the Republican party of today is 90% white and only three blacks have been elected to congress from the Republican Party since the 60s while more than 90 black Democrats have been elected.

You can't seriously say that a party that is 90% white and whose elected officials nationwide are more than 96% white is a "leader" in civil rights. Surely you can see that's laughable?

The Democrat party is the sponsoring party of ABORTION. The great proportion of victims of abortion are black babies. The D party has made too many of the survivors "wards of the state," keeping them on the liberal planation.

Quote: In her own words, Margaret Sanger, The founder of Planned Parenthood, a eugenicist:

"The undeniably feeble-minded should, indeed, not only be discouraged but prevented from propagating their kind."

Margaret Sanger, quoted in Charles Valenza. "Was Margaret Sanger a Racist?" Family Planning Perspectives, January-February 1985, page 44.

EDIT: Thirty-seven percent of [all] abortions occur to black women, 34% to non-Hispanic white women, 22% to Hispanic women and 8% to women of other races. Considering that only 12% of the US population is black, and 37% of all abortions are by black women, the effect is egregious to black people.

BTW, how do I give people reputation points? As a newbie, I really don't know.

If you don't want to read directions (there's an FAQ to the right of the main screen), then experiment. See those little thumbs up/down?

 

[MaggieMae]

It's that kind of dialog that keeps blacks away from the Republican party.

And yet 37 are running FOR the Republican Party. Obama has done what no white man ever managed, he has brought blacks in droves to the Republican party.

It sure looks like it to me. Maybe Blacks in this country are tired of being used by the Democrat party--as some kind of mindless--worthless individual--that needs a continual handout from the government.

Blacks are very successful people in this country. They are hard workers, they are business owners, they are teachers, they are physicians, they are lawyers, they are politicians, they are police, they are firefighters, and they are highly educated--etc. etc. etc.

It's high time they look toward conservatism--because this big spending--out of control--government comes out of their pockets too. (The government does not discriminate when it comes to paying taxes.)

While it's true, and it makes me happy, that many more blacks are becoming educated and thus entering heretofore respectable white professions, they still will vote Democratic by a wide margin. And that's only because they've either been at the bottom struggling for equality or know someone who has. According to most conservatives, if blacks can't climb themselves out of a rotton life, it's their own damn fault, and it's that attitude that turns them against the Republican party.

 

[MaggieMae]

I find the intolerance of conservative blacks to be "elegantly repugnant". And 100 percent racist. Why do lefties judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character?. Contrary to the white guilt stereotypes, people with darker skin are not children to be controlled and cared for. That disgusts and saddens me.

What is the title of this thread, and who posted it?

 

[MaggieMae]

Just for the record..... all of you who are providing 'evidence' consisting of images are making yourselves look completely ridiculous. Both sides. You're laughable. Absolutely laughable.

I agree. Enough is enough, and it isn't as though we haven't all seen them before.