Biden: Clear 'Mandate' to Raise Taxes

[Sarah G]

Raise taxes and cut spending. Now.

No.

Only when they've drastically cut spending can they then raise taxes. On everyone.

That's how it works, Democrats won the election taking both the presidency and the senate. We're doing things their way. You don't like that agenda, write your congressmen.

 

[Truthseeker420]

No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.

He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.

Fair isn't singling out the rich to pay more, fair is everyone kicking in more. Let Obama's tax cuts expire, for everyone.

No..fair is everyone paying the same percentage of their income.

 

[beretta304]

Raise taxes and cut spending. Now.

No.

Only when they've drastically cut spending can they then raise taxes. On everyone.

That's how it works, Democrats won the election taking both the presidency and the senate. We're doing things their way. You don't like that agenda, write your congressmen.

Hey dope you aren't going to get squat done unless you get pass the House but why would I expect a living talking point like you to realize that fact.

 

[Steelplate]

Yes! Those tax raises will bring in 800 billion over ten years. With 1.3 trillion in deficit spending, we should be moving towards a balanced budget by....never. So talking about tax increases while sliding in debt/deficit is a complete and utter joke.

It's like saying you're going to work one hour of over time each month at $20 hr to help pay off $100,000 in credit card debt.

You do realize that individuals take mortgages out for thirty or more years, right? That's on a single home....Hell, in some areas....people have to will their mortgages to their kids....

I knew a girl from Stamford CT....her parents lived in Greenwich CT....the property in Greenwich is so high that a house that in my neck of the woods would cost $150k or so(with more land attached) cost over $1M. Her mom and dad where CPA's who worked in NYC....and they still had to will the mortgage to the kids in order for them to get it.

The point? There's no way we are going to pay this down in a hurry. It's going to take time. The absolute worst thing we can do is cut to the bone, let the people rot and expect great things to happen. You want to see a bad economy? Just imagine if all those people(47% right?) on food stamps, Medicaid, and or housing subsidies.....most of whom are WORKING FULL TIME....get thrown under the bus. They don't have a pot to piss in now and you think destroying their lives is the way to prosperity? Same with SS and Medicare.....

You want all of this to happen to the vast majority of this great country....but you refuse to let the people who have benefited the most, while raping this country in the form of outsourcing good paying jobs and replacing those jobs with bullshit ones that TEENAGERS used to do for spending money....who have seen their incomes rise some 600% over the past 30 years or so, while working people's have virtually stagnated over the same period of time.....see a jump of 4% in their income taxes....to help out in addition to the cuts being proposed.

You know what? I'd love for the private sector to handle this.....I'd love to believe that trickle down works....but that outsourcing wasn't about taxes and regulation....it was about dirt cheap labor and the loophole that says...."until you bring the money back to the US, you don't have to pay taxes on it."

Trickle down was a scam to bust labor unions and turn America over to the Conglomerate....look where it's gotten us.

 

[WillowTree]

No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.

He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.

Unless you mean ALL AMERICANS pay a FEDERAL income tax then you are lying. through your teeth again. Ever notice how the liberals are always talking about raising taxes as the panacea, but mention a single cut and they go into drama queen mode.

 

[Steelplate]

No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.

He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.

Fair isn't singling out the rich to pay more, fair is everyone kicking in more. Let Obama's tax cuts expire, for everyone.

So....what you are saying is that you want cuts to entitlements(hits the poor, elderly, working and middle class), Obama's cuts to expire(hits the poor, working and middle class).....and then you will be OK with the rich paying 4% more?

Sounds like a great deal.....for the rich.

 

[Toro]

So how is this any different than when Bush lost the popular vote in 00 and Republicans said he had a mandate to cut taxes?

Still pissed off about that election?

Get over it.

Can't answer the question. Got it.

 

[Steelplate]

No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.

He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.

Unless you mean ALL AMERICANS pay a FEDERAL income tax then you are lying. through your teeth again. Ever notice how the liberals are always talking about raising taxes as the panacea, but mention a single cut and they go into drama queen mode.

You dumb twat....you don't think the cuts are going to affect people in the same way....(fuck, it'll hit them harder)....as tax increases?

You aren't going to get blood from a stone.

 

[WillowTree]

We do not have the same economy we had when Clinton was in office. The mistake is in believing that somehow raising taxes will create the kind of economy that Clinton had. That's a disastrous mistake. Raising taxes does not create a vibrant economy. Government spending does not create a vibrant economy or Japan would not have had its own disastrous ten years.

No, the mistake is thinking that putting the load of debt reduction solely on the shoulders of the people who are already struggling will fix the economy, while leaving the Conglomerate and it's masters.....who show little to no loyalty to their own country if it doesn't serve them and them alone....free to continue their ways.

BTW, I noticed you only focused on the taxation part of my post and ignored the rest. There will be cuts....there will be revamping of programs....you know it as well as I.

Somewhere in the next four years you liberals are gonna have to figure out what it is that you are going to replace capitalism with.

 

[WillowTree]

No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.

He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.

Unless you mean ALL AMERICANS pay a FEDERAL income tax then you are lying. through your teeth again. Ever notice how the liberals are always talking about raising taxes as the panacea, but mention a single cut and they go into drama queen mode.

You dumb twat....you don't think the cuts are going to affect people in the same way....(fuck, it'll hit them harder)....as tax increases?

You aren't going to get blood from a stone.

you better get you some blood from a stone you stupid penis head, cause there isn't enough money in the rich man's pocket to fund socialism.

 

[Euroconservativ]

The top 10% households in America actually pay 45% of all taxes. The highest share in any wealthy western nation.

The scandinavian top 10% pay less than 30% of taxes. Not because they pay lower rates (they don't!!) but because of the much higher taxes on consumption and labour that middle classes pay in order to have a Welfare State. Denmark has a 25% flat VAT rate. The European Union does not allow any member state to cut the standard VAT below 15%.

Even in a low tax country like Switzerland, the wealthy pay 25% of all taxes.

These figures come from the OECD, certainly not a libertarian or ultraconservative organization.

 

[Fang]

The Vice President is an idiot. I don't want to give up even more of my hard earned money to the government when they haven't proven to be responsible with it.

 

[Steelplate]

We do not have the same economy we had when Clinton was in office. The mistake is in believing that somehow raising taxes will create the kind of economy that Clinton had. That's a disastrous mistake. Raising taxes does not create a vibrant economy. Government spending does not create a vibrant economy or Japan would not have had its own disastrous ten years.

No, the mistake is thinking that putting the load of debt reduction solely on the shoulders of the people who are already struggling will fix the economy, while leaving the Conglomerate and it's masters.....who show little to no loyalty to their own country if it doesn't serve them and them alone....free to continue their ways.

BTW, I noticed you only focused on the taxation part of my post and ignored the rest. There will be cuts....there will be revamping of programs....you know it as well as I.

Somewhere in the next four years you liberals are gonna have to figure out what it is that you are going to replace capitalism with.

Love the Limbaugh talking point...you must have Master's degree in AM radio.

 

[Rozman]

The Democrat party will replace Capitalism with...

Liberalism.

 

[Steelplate]

Unless you mean ALL AMERICANS pay a FEDERAL income tax then you are lying. through your teeth again. Ever notice how the liberals are always talking about raising taxes as the panacea, but mention a single cut and they go into drama queen mode.

You dumb twat....you don't think the cuts are going to affect people in the same way....(fuck, it'll hit them harder)....as tax increases?

You aren't going to get blood from a stone.

you better get you some blood from a stone you stupid penis head, cause there isn't enough money in the rich man's pocket to fund socialism.

And another talking point....why am I not surprised? I'll tell you what....we'll start by stripping you of your Social Security checks and your Medicare card....don't worry...you can be a greeter at Walmart and we'll give you a voucher to help pay for YOUR medical coverage.

 

[Rozman]

Take from those who have because if they have it they must have gotten it illegally.
Because let's face it.Those that don't have it's not their fault.They are just as smart,they work just as hard.
How come they don't have as much.

The liberal answer is those who have should not because they stole it.
Those that don't have should.

 

[WillowTree]

No, the mistake is thinking that putting the load of debt reduction solely on the shoulders of the people who are already struggling will fix the economy, while leaving the Conglomerate and it's masters.....who show little to no loyalty to their own country if it doesn't serve them and them alone....free to continue their ways.

BTW, I noticed you only focused on the taxation part of my post and ignored the rest. There will be cuts....there will be revamping of programs....you know it as well as I.

Somewhere in the next four years you liberals are gonna have to figure out what it is that you are going to replace capitalism with.

Love the Limbaugh talking point...you must have Master's degree in AM radio.

quite the contrary, I never listen to Limbaugh, can you link me to him saying those exact words? I'd appreciate it.

 

[WillowTree]

You dumb twat....you don't think the cuts are going to affect people in the same way....(fuck, it'll hit them harder)....as tax increases?

You aren't going to get blood from a stone.

you better get you some blood from a stone you stupid penis head, cause there isn't enough money in the rich man's pocket to fund socialism.

And another talking point....why am I not surprised? I'll tell you what....we'll start by stripping you of your Social Security checks and your Medicare card....don't worry...you can be a greeter at Walmart and we'll give you a voucher to help pay for YOUR medical coverage.

As long as my situation is the law of the land you are unable to pick on me personally. So work a little harder today. Or do you work at all? You're always online. so I don't think you do much work at all.

 

[Steelplate]

Somewhere in the next four years you liberals are gonna have to figure out what it is that you are going to replace capitalism with.

Love the Limbaugh talking point...you must have Master's degree in AM radio.

quite the contrary, I never listen to Limbaugh, can you link me to him saying those exact words? I'd appreciate it.

OK....Beck, Hannity, Savage.....really doesn't matter..they're all the same.

 

[Intolerant]

He'll yeah let's increase taxes entitlement spending borrow $200 trillion. Whoo-hooo