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No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.
He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.
No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.
He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.
Wrong! The "give me for free" crowd showed up in larger numbers than those who actually care about their country.
There was no mandate for anything. There was a clear message that very close to half the country intends to do everything they can to continue to stop obama's policies. That is, everything they can legally do. Heaven help us if that half should give up on the legally part.
So how is this any different than when Bush lost the popular vote in 00 and Republicans said he had a mandate to cut taxes?
Yes! Those tax raises will bring in 800 billion over ten years. With 1.3 trillion in deficit spending, we should be moving towards a balanced budget by....never. So talking about tax increases while sliding in debt/deficit is a complete and utter joke.
It's like saying you're going to work one hour of over time each month at $20 hr to help pay off $100,000 in credit card debt.
You do realize that individuals take mortgages out for thirty or more years, right? That's on a single home....Hell, in some areas....people have to will their mortgages to their kids....
And?
I knew a girl from Stamford CT....her parents lived in Greenwich CT....the property in Greenwich is so high that a house that in my neck of the woods would cost $150k or so(with more land attached) cost over $1M. Her mom and dad where CPA's who worked in NYC....and they still had to will the mortgage to the kids in order for them to get it.
What are you blathering about?
The point? There's no way we are going to pay this down in a hurry. It's going to take time. The absolute worst thing we can do is cut to the bone, let the people rot and expect great things to happen. You want to see a bad economy? Just imagine if all those people(47% right?) on food stamps, Medicaid, and or housing subsidies.....most of whom are WORKING FULL TIME....get thrown under the bus. They don't have a pot to piss in now and you think destroying their lives is the way to prosperity? Same with SS and Medicare.....
OK, captain hyperbole. So what you're saying is that taxing the rich is simply retribution of the vengeance sort. Because it doesn't solve anything with so many on assisstance. Do you know what will happen to all of those people should the govt. default adn can not give them money? The same outcome, chump. Only worse. So hard choices have to be made or they will be FORCED anyway. Choices or forced, you LOLberals are in the driver seat and you're picking forced. Which is fuckigg retarded.
You want all of this to happen to the vast majority of this great country....but you refuse to let the people who have benefited the most, while raping this country in the form of outsourcing good paying jobs and replacing those jobs with bullshit ones that TEENAGERS used to do for spending money....who have seen their incomes rise some 600% over the past 30 years or so, while working people's have virtually stagnated over the same period of time.....see a jump of 4% in their income taxes....to help out in addition to the cuts being proposed.
What cuts being proposed?
You know what? I'd love for the private sector to handle this.....I'd love to believe that trickle down works....but that outsourcing wasn't about taxes and regulation....it was about dirt cheap labor and the loophole that says...."until you bring the money back to the US, you don't have to pay taxes on it."
Trickle down was a scam to bust labor unions and turn America over to the Conglomerate....look where it's gotten us.
I'm always online? I work from 6am-2:30pm. I get every third weekend off. The rest of my breakdays fall during the week.you better get you some blood from a stone you stupid penis head, cause there isn't enough money in the rich man's pocket to fund socialism.
And another talking point....why am I not surprised? I'll tell you what....we'll start by stripping you of your Social Security checks and your Medicare card....don't worry...you can be a greeter at Walmart and we'll give you a voucher to help pay for YOUR medical coverage.
As long as my situation is the law of the land you are unable to pick on me personally. So work a little harder today. Or do you work at all? You're always online. so I don't think you do much work at all.
Raise taxes and cut spending. Now.
No.
Only when they've drastically cut spending can they then raise taxes. On everyone.
That's how it works, Democrats won the election taking both the presidency and the senate. We're doing things their way. You don't like that agenda, write your congressmen.
Leftists sure are a funny lot.
No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.
He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.
Fair isn't singling out the rich to pay more, fair is everyone kicking in more. Let Obama's tax cuts expire, for everyone.
No..fair is everyone paying the same percentage of their income.
No.
Only when they've drastically cut spending can they then raise taxes. On everyone.
That's how it works, Democrats won the election taking both the presidency and the senate. We're doing things their way. You don't like that agenda, write your congressmen.
Sarah's idea of compromise: We won, fuck you Republicans, it's our way or the highway.
You believe that if they raise taxes they (government, both sides) will really and truly cut spending, enough to actually make a dent, don't you?
They get giddy on the methane!
No, what is clear is that the American people want a balanced approach to cutting the debt. one where everyone shares the load. From the wealthy with a *gasp* return to the Clinton tax rates, to the middle class, poor and elderly with cuts and revamping of programs....This has been Obama's platform all along.
He laid it out in the debates....showed a link to look at it in his campaign ads and told Americans to look at his proposals and to look at Romney's.....then make a decision......they did.
Fair isn't singling out the rich to pay more, fair is everyone kicking in more. Let Obama's tax cuts expire, for everyone.
So....what you are saying is that you want cuts to entitlements(hits the poor, elderly, working and middle class), Obama's cuts to expire(hits the poor, working and middle class).....and then you will be OK with the rich paying 4% more?
Sounds like a great deal.....for the rich.
The Vice President is an idiot. I don't want to give up even more of my hard earned money to the government when they haven't proven to be responsible with it.
You dumb twat....you don't think the cuts are going to affect people in the same way....(fuck, it'll hit them harder)....as tax increases?
You aren't going to get blood from a stone.
you better get you some blood from a stone you stupid penis head, cause there isn't enough money in the rich man's pocket to fund socialism.
And another talking point....why am I not surprised? I'll tell you what....we'll start by stripping you of your Social Security checks and your Medicare card....don't worry...you can be a greeter at Walmart and we'll give you a voucher to help pay for YOUR medical coverage.
whoohoo, tax tax tax..TAX AWAY
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8:41 PM, Nov 7, 2012 By DANIEL HALPER
Vice President Joe Biden told reporters on Air Force Two today that last night's election represented a clear "mandate" to raise taxes.
"Where specifically do you think Republicans will be willing to compromise on issues of debt/deficit?" a pool reported asked Biden.
"Well look, I think -- You guys have probably looked at the internals of the vote more than I have so far," said Biden. "But from what it appears is that, on the issue of the tax issue, there was a clear, a clear sort of mandate about people coming much closer to our view about how to deal with tax policy. I think we can move, I'd like to see us, I think we can do something on corporate taxes sooner than later. That would be positive, be a little confidence-building. And you know I just think it's going to take time for the Republicans to sort of digest what the consequences for them internally. But i just think there's too much, I've been saying to you all along and I know I may be the only guy - well, I think Clinton shares this view, President Clinton, we talked about it. But I think the fever will break. And you know, Barack's re-elected so this sort of cause to keep a second term from happening's done. He's there for four years. So I think there's going to be - I hope there's going to be some real soul-searching about, on Republican Party, about what they're willing to cooperate on."
all of it here
Biden: Clear 'Mandate' to Raise Taxes | The Weekly Standard
Fair isn't singling out the rich to pay more, fair is everyone kicking in more. Let Obama's tax cuts expire, for everyone.
So....what you are saying is that you want cuts to entitlements(hits the poor, elderly, working and middle class), Obama's cuts to expire(hits the poor, working and middle class).....and then you will be OK with the rich paying 4% more?
Sounds like a great deal.....for the rich.
Obama wants everyone to pay their fair share. Having the rich pay 4% more while having no one else pay 4% more isn't fair. Everyone pays the same percentage more, that's fair.
Entitlements are going to have to be cut, all of them. Yes we will be in a world of suck. Our government (BOTH sides) have screwed up and the sooner we pay the piper the sooner we recover.
Or we can just kick the can down the road some more till we implode.
True cutts first, fair taxation to follow.
We do not have the same economy we had when Clinton was in office. The mistake is in believing that somehow raising taxes will create the kind of economy that Clinton had. That's a disastrous mistake. Raising taxes does not create a vibrant economy. Government spending does not create a vibrant economy or Japan would not have had its own disastrous ten years.
No, the mistake is thinking that putting the load of debt reduction solely on the shoulders of the people who are already struggling will fix the economy, while leaving the Conglomerate and it's masters.....who show little to no loyalty to their own country if it doesn't serve them and them alone....free to continue their ways.
BTW, I noticed you only focused on the taxation part of my post and ignored the rest. There will be cuts....there will be revamping of programs....you know it as well as I.
What the ever living fuck is wrong with you? SHE paid HER money into SS.You dumb twat....you don't think the cuts are going to affect people in the same way....(fuck, it'll hit them harder)....as tax increases?
You aren't going to get blood from a stone.
you better get you some blood from a stone you stupid penis head, cause there isn't enough money in the rich man's pocket to fund socialism.
And another talking point....why am I not surprised? I'll tell you what....we'll start by stripping you of your Social Security checks and your Medicare card....don't worry...you can be a greeter at Walmart and we'll give you a voucher to help pay for YOUR medical coverage.
