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    Thanks, jillian - much better!

    I'm having difficulty accepting, out of hand, that:

    A) The Confederate Flag is a racist symbol, and that,

    B) Supporting states' rights is a "Neo-Confederate" view. If that's the case, we'll have to retroactively assign that designation to the founding fathers. I think we've got some scare tactics going on here.
     
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    No prob. ;)

    I don't think the Confederate Flag was intended as a racist symbol. But I also think we have to acknowledge that symbols take on different meanings if they become associated with certain things and images. For example, a swastika was not originally a negative symbol at all. It was just one that was co-opted by people who did some really awful things. Don't think I'm assigning a similar meaning to a confederate flag, but we have to understand that that flag connotes racism and slavery to a lot of people -- rightfully or wrongfully -- and whether it was intended to have such meaning or not. The fact that the Confederate Flag has also been co-opted by white supramecist groups doesn't help.

    As for the States' Rights thing... well, not really. Under the Articles of Confederation, the States had far more power than the Federal Government. But the Founding Fathers didn't think that was such a good idea and we ended up with a Federal Constitution with became the Supreme Law of the Land.

    http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/s105.htm

    So the States' Rights battle is pretty well over. And whatever remnants of it existed were kinda settled for well and good during the Civil War.
     
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    Ah - we've been over this ground before, haven't we - LOL!

    The Civil War did not negate Amendment X.
     
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    So, what are you saying, that under the Articles of Confederation, that when there was a conflict between State and Federal Law, State law would or could prevail?
     
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    http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/artconf.htm
     
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    The simple fact is, in 1860, states had EVERY right to seceed from an "experiment" they voluntarily entered. The Constitution did not preclude it.

    QUite simply, the US government invaded a declared, sovereign nation and annexed it by force.
     
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    LOL! Yeah... I think we have :beer:

    And you're right. It didn't negate the 10th, but... it kind of limited the way one would construe the powers that the states have delegated to them, no?
     

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