Bernie Sanders to introduce the dishonestly-named "Medicare for All" this week

[Anathema]

Literally every other western country has universal healthcare. Except us. Folks in England and France don't have to worry about medical cost.

No they don't. They also don't have to worry about actually taking home a majority of their weekly paycheck. Likewisethey don't have to worry about their Souls - they sold them to the Government long ago.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That must be why when a wealthy foreigner falls ill and they need the absolute best medical care on the planet they run to France or England, right?

actually, a lot of them do.

But that's kind of like arguing who has the best caviar and filet mignon.

Most Americans can't afford the health care that wealthy foreigners come here to get. Their insurance won't cover it.

Or Canada. I can see an ailing Saudi Royal prince going to Canada for the privilege of waiting for 6 months just for the first MRI appointment. I remember reading that the city of Philadelphia has more MRI machines than all of single payer Canada

 

[JoeB131]

Or Canada. I can see an ailing Saudi Royal prince going to Canada for the privilege of waiting for 6 months just for the first MRI appointment. I remember reading that the city of Philadelphia has more MRI machines than all of single payer Canada

Nobody believes you can read Frank, much less remember doing it.

Here's the thing. Most of us aren't ailing Saudi Princes. Treatments we can't get because the insurance companies won't cover them don't do us a bit of good.

 

[EverCurious]

I don't give a rats ass if it's /one/ freeloading illegal son. I don't care if it's one fucking cent I dropped in the parking lot. The bottom line is that they are /not/ our god damn responsibility, you want to help them then start a charity to do it - a voluntary charity, not one that /everyone/ in the country is /forced/ to pay for [even those American's who cannot afford it.] American's voluntarily give upwards of $300 billion dollars to charity every year; that's an average of a grand from every person in the US. It's not like were stingy with those in need across the planet, yet you fuckers will treat us all as greedy assholes who have no sympathy - Fuck you. Seriously. IF I feel like contributing to bettering the world, I'll do it myself, to charities and ideas that I actually think will help these folks, I don't need the fucking government getting involved and /forcing/ me to "pay up" for global socialism.

Dude, you're frothing at the mouth. And, no, most of that "Charity" is shit like people giving their old clothes to the Salvation Army or some such tax dodge. Most of these charities pay their executives six figure salaries.

Actually I'm a chick, but whatever, I'd rather people think I'm a "dude" then out myself as a complete piece of shit like you... bitching about people giving $300B to charity as "useless." GO fuck yourself you pompous ass.

Giving to Education charities was up 3.6% to $59.77 billion (15% of all donations).

Donations to Human Services charities were up 4.0% to $46.8 billion (12% of all donations).

Foundations saw an increase of 3.1% to $40.56 billion (10% of all donations).

Health charities experienced an increase of 5.7% to $33.14 billion (8% of all donations).

Public-Society Benefit charities saw an increase of 3.7% to $29.89 billion (8% of all donations).

Giving to International charities increased by 5.8% to $22.03 billion (6% of all donations).

Arts, Culture and Humanities saw an increase of 6.4% to $18.21 billion (5% of all donations).

Charities that focus on the Environment / Animals saw an increase of 7.2% to $11.05 billion (3% of all donations).

Historically, Religious groups have received the largest share of charitable donations. This remained true in 2016. With the 3.0% increase in donations this year, 32% of all donations, or $122.94 billion, went to Religious organizations. Much of these contributions can be attributed to people giving to their local place of worship.

Giving Statistics : Charity Navigator

I say we put the $100+ billion a year we [government] spend on illegals to use for American's and America. Then maybe we can see what we have left over for these third world shit holes that use us as an escape path instead of fixing their own shit hole countries. I'm sick and tired of America having to carry the entire planet financially, militarily, etc., etc. And why? So these helped nations can verbally shit on us constantly, while simultaneously ignoring their own systemic financial/social problems because we're carrying water for them in one area or another or five. Back when other nations respected us it was less offensive, but now, now they treat us like shit except on the day we sign their welfare check - just like the thankless entitled liberal twats in this nation frankly. No respect, no thanks, no morals, nor sense of responsibility. Enough! They constantly tell us how they're so much better than us, then let them fucking handle their problems with all their self-professed "greatness."

Sounds like you have a bunch of anger issues. America is not carrying the rest of the world. We do have too much self-importance right now, but the reality is, we spend more than the rest of the world combined on the military because we want to, not because the rest of the world wants us to. We only spend a pittance on foreign aid compared to ther est of the world, and we require that money be spent on products made in the US. (More Corporate Welfare).

Actually no, I have synesthesia so no anger "issues" at all.

IF America isn't carrying the rest of the world then it shouldn't be a problem if we give all the illegals back to their "lovely" nations. We can close our borders to all immigration and no one will care, right? We can pull our military resources out of EU and the east, and if Russia, China, or No. Korea eats them, so what, right? You wouldn't blame "America" for the map changes and killings (likely genocide in some places), right? You wouldn't blame "America" if someone got their hands on nukes and started blowing other nations up, right?

Yeah, the disrespect and abuse angers me, foreign nations and our own people as well. Mexico tells our President to piss up a rope, and you bastards cheer. Germany says our President is insane, and you bastards cheer. Fucking terrorist groups attack American citizens on American soil, and you bastards cheer. You fucks should be happy you got a sympathetic President Trump instead of the many people like me who are sick of your bullshit and don't give a shit about "the optics" anymore.

Most Americans didn't want Trump. SO yeah, they are happy when other leaders tell him to piss up a rope. I'm not aware that anyone cheered when a terrorist attacked Americans on American Soil. Unless you are counting Trump's Neo Nazi supporters.

A lot of American's didn't want Obama, but they never cheered /America/ being shit on, ever. NOONE ever "prayed" for Obama to fuck up, ever. As for the terrorists attacking American's, I'm not sure how you missed the news for the past year or so, but I suggest you open your eyes.

ANTIFA attacks - Bing

Attack on Alt-Right Leader Has Internet Asking: Is It O.K. to Punch a Nazi?
Alan Dershowitz: ‘Violent’ Antifa movement is ‘trying to tear down America’

Be happy I never went into politics because I might actually have earned the title of "unfeeling nazi" your kind likes to fling at me for actually trying to help adults better themselves, rather than just coddling them like helpless children, and ultimately damning their entire lives to the lowest level of existence at hand. It's disgusting that your kind fights folks trying to give a "hand out" instead of a "hand up" - but it's not surprising because your kind are complete pigs - you want to punish, you want to enslave, you want to control and dictate; so you encourage this "baby" culture on the lower rungs of society, milk them for votes, and shit on them when you get em. Then blame someone else for it. It's absolutely despicable and a true testament to the sickening morals of the left.

Well, dude, that was a rant. I'm not aware of anyone who wants to do what you just said. Most people on welfare are on it for less than a year.

Clearly you're out of touch with the left. You might want to check it out because the left is destroying an entire generation of young adults with seriously bad advice. Let's see, they have nearly half of California wanting the 1st amendment removed. I'd say the vast majority want the 2nd removed. A good deal of them (40-80% depending on the poll) want the EC removed [sounds like you're one of those.] They supports black racist groups who want "reparations," they support BLM who wants "dead cops," they support ANTIFA, black bloc, and other groups who wants American's "harmed or dead." They support communism, socialism, becoming "like" Europe, and pretty much anything but Americanism. They really seem to want Christian's wiped off the face of the nation (and no I'm not Christian.) They want many historical figures destroyed, even if they have to do it illegally themselves apparently. They want to tell others how to spend their money, (you're clearly one of those because you "don't agree" with whom folks give charity money to.) They want to force others to buy shit they don't want (ACA, welfare, etc.)

I could go on and on with the controlling entitled assholes on the left spectrum's oppressive nature's that are quite clear to anyone who enjoys or desires the many freedoms of America, and the true opportunity our capitalist republic gives to it's people, but apparently you can't see the broader picture of what happens when they achieve all these goals and destroy the nation, just as they've destroyed the majority of Generation X.

This was meant to be comedy, but the scary part is that it's actually not that far from the reality given the shit I've seen in the news over the past decade or two. Like the guy says, "You're not adjusted enough for real life," and that's what we've let happen to an entire generation of kids, and the ones who might have been worth something to the nation (the ones with passion and drive) were turned into communist/socialist/anarchist, who are violent anti-American fascists. But yea, cover your eyes and don't look.



I often covered my dogs eyes and said, "It's better if you don't look" to relax him. Perhaps that's the mentality you have; cover your eyes and your ears and pretend none of this is happening.

 

[Anathema]

...Treatments we can't get because the insurance companies won't cover them don't do us a bit of good.

So your answer is to get the Government to rape everyone else's paycheck/wallet to pay for thst treatment you want but cant afford?

No need for that. If you're so bad off, I'll come over and give you a 230 grain, copper-coated lead injection that's GUARANTEED to permanently fix your problems for jyst $29.95.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Dude, you have issues. Get help.

It's been tried before and doesn't work. I'm too closed minded (aka Right) to have my views changed by some head shrinker.

You were sent to the wrong doctor. You need the attention of a lobotomist.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually I'm a chick, but whatever, I'd rather people think I'm a "dude" then out myself as a complete piece of shit like you... bitching about people giving $300B to charity as "useless." GO fuck yourself you pompous ass.

so without repeating your list, it really isn't things that help poor people, it's just things we let people do tax deductions for.

IF America isn't carrying the rest of the world then it shouldn't be a problem if we give all the illegals back to their "lovely" nations. We can close our borders to all immigration and no one will care, right? We can pull our military resources out of EU and the east, and if Russia, China, or No. Korea eats them, so what, right? You wouldn't blame "America" for the map changes and killings (likely genocide in some places), right? You wouldn't blame "America" if someone got their hands on nukes and started blowing other nations up, right?

Again, we have illegals here because rich people didn't want to pay an American a fair wage. Maybe you should direct your anger at them.
as for the Military Industrial complex, the reality is, we spend more on the military than the next 10 countries combined, and 8 of them are allies.

A lot of American's didn't want Obama, but they never cheered /America/ being shit on, ever. NOONE ever "prayed" for Obama to fuck up, ever. As for the terrorists attacking American's, I'm not sure how you missed the news for the past year or so, but I suggest you open your eyes.

You're kidding, right?

Do the Republicans Really Want Obama to Fail?

And no, ANTIFA people punching fucking Nazis isn't "Terrorism". It's actually kind of awesome.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Just read Bernie's "Medicare For All" plan that he'll be introducing this week.

I like Bernie in general, but I have to remember that he's a politician, so I'm not surprised that he's lying about the plan to make it more palatable for the masses. I guess he figures he can get away with being dishonest because most people don't actually know how Medicare works.

His plan is NOT just "Medicare for All". Medicare has deductibles and only covers 80% of expenses. That's where dynamic free market competition comes in, to fill those gaps (and more, in many cases) to different degrees depending on the consumer's choice. His plan appears to be 100% single payer, period. "Free" health care.

How would he pay for it? An across-the-board 6.2% tax on employers at a time when global business competition is becoming more intense by the hour. A new 2.2% tax on all Americans and higher taxes on the wealthy. Then we'd see, maybe a few additions here and there.

If you're a health care provider on any level, you will have one contract, with the government. It will tell you what you will be allowed to make. And, since no tort reform is in the plan, you'll need to keep that battery of unneeded defensive medicine measures in place so that you're not sued.

Expanding the current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage system to all would be much better, but that's not where Bernie's head is. He'd rather be dishonest with the name of this thing to make it more attractive. Standard politician behavior. Oh well. Even Bernie is susceptible to it.

Maybe the plan would look more like what I want than his plan by the time it made it through the process. Here's hoping.

Medicare for All: Leaving No One Behind

Here's how Medicare ACTUALLY works, in less than three minutes:


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Well at least it's as honest as everything else in US politics.

 

[JoeB131]

Clearly you're out of touch with the left. You might want to check it out because the left is destroying an entire generation of young adults with seriously bad advice. Let's see, they have nearly half of California wanting the 1st amendment removed. I'd say the vast majority want the 2nd removed.

I'm not sure where you get the figure about half of Californians wanting the 1st amendment removed. Um, yeah, a lot of people think that the misinterpretation of the Militia Amendment allowing THESE guys to have guns is a bad idea.

Pictured, not a Well Regulated Militia

A good deal of them (40-80% depending on the poll) want the EC removed [sounds like you're one of those.]

Um, yeah, a system where someone can win by 3 million votes, and not take the presidency because 200 years ago, they were trying to keep some slave owners happy is a bad idea.

I could go into a whole list of reasons why the EC is a terrible idea, how it distorts and corrupts our election system. But the fact it produces results like Trump and Baby Bush should be enough of an argument.

They supports black racist groups who want "reparations," they support BLM who wants "dead cops," they support ANTIFA, black bloc, and other groups who wants American's "harmed or dead."

Okay, the only thing BLM wants is for cops not to shoot black children in the back. That actually seems like a good idea.

They support communism, socialism, becoming "like" Europe, and pretty much anything but Americanism. They really seem to want Christian's wiped off the face of the nation (and no I'm not Christian.)

And this is where you went off the rails....

They want many historical figures destroyed, even if they have to do it illegally themselves apparently.

You mean "historical figures" who owned slaves and fought against the government? Those "historical figures". Hitler was a historical figure, does he deserve a statue?

Moving right along.

They want to tell others how to spend their money, (you're clearly one of those because you "don't agree" with whom folks give charity money to.) They want to force others to buy shit they don't want (ACA, welfare, etc.)

You can give your money to whatever charity you want. I just don't think you should be getting a tax deduction for all of them. As for ACA, that was actually a Republican Idea. You know, when it was called "RomneyCare", the right was all for it. Then the Black Guy Did It.

I could go on and on with the controlling entitled assholes on the left spectrum's oppressive nature's that are quite clear to anyone who enjoys or desires the many freedoms of America, and the true opportunity our capitalist republic gives to it's people, but apparently you can't see the broader picture of what happens when they achieve all these goals and destroy the nation, just as they've destroyed the majority of Generation X.

Here's the problem with that rant. Whenever a wingnut talks about "Freedom", it usually means the ability of those with money and power to exploit those of us with less money and power. It means slaving your life away for a psychotic weasel who abuses you. If Gen X or the Millenials have come to see that as bullshit, more power to them.

This was meant to be comedy, but the scary part is that it's actually not that far from the reality given the shit I've seen in the news over the past decade or two. Like the guy says, "You're not adjusted enough for real life," and that's what we've let happen to an entire generation of kids, and the ones who might have been worth something to the nation (the ones with passion and drive) were turned into communist/socialist/anarchist, who are violent anti-American fascists. But yea, cover your eyes and don't look.

Okay, i watched about 10 seconds of that. Now, I have a side business where I write resumes for people, and here's the thing, I've never met anyone remotely like that girl. Most of the young people I've assisted with their resumes are sincere, they've worked pretty hard to get where they are at, and they have a pretty good bead on things.

As for "liberal arts" not being a thing, um, most colleges actually do classify biology as a liberal art. UIC did back in the 1990's. So whoever made that video probably doesn't know a lot about academics.

So it strikes me that you are spending a lot of time being angry at people who might not even exist.

I often covered my dogs eyes and said, "It's better if you don't look" to relax him. Perhaps that's the mentality you have; cover your eyes and your ears and pretend none of this is happening.

Here's the thing. Up until 2008, I was a right wing republican. Probably as right wing as you are. And then I had a medical issue, and my employer and my insurance company pretty much screwed me over.

The thing about the system you admire is that it works really well for the 1%. For the rest of us, not so much. We are all one medical crisis away from ruination. This is why Bernie's Single Payer has an appeal to folks.

 

[JoeB131]

So your answer is to get the Government to rape everyone else's paycheck/wallet to pay for thst treatment you want but cant afford?

No need for that. If you're so bad off, I'll come over and give you a 230 grain, copper-coated lead injection that's GUARANTEED to permanently fix your problems for jyst $29.95.

Or we can just tax the shit out of your ass, and be done with it. I'm really getting bored with arguing with angry, mean people, which is all the conservative movement is devolved into.

All your ideas have FAILED, but you can still be mean and stupid.

 

[Anathema]

Or we can just tax the shit out of your ass, and be done with it....

You do realize thst at the point when it is no longer sufficiently financially beneficial to us to work because of the taxes, many of us will just stop working.

At which point you no longer get to collect the taxes, AND you lose the products and services thst we were providing. Thst will have a significant, negative impact on the economy and the social welfare structure.

 

[jon_berzerk]

--LOL

that should be a riot

--LOL

how many supplements does one have to have

when on medicare

--LOL

 

[JoeB131]

You do realize thst at the point when it is no longer sufficiently financially beneficial to us to work because of the taxes, many of us will just stop working.

At which point you no longer get to collect the taxes, AND you lose the products and services thst we were providing. Thst will have a significant, negative impact on the economy and the social welfare structure.

You keep telling yourself that buddy.

Here's the reality. The US Spends more on health care than any other country in the world, much of it going into the coffers of big pharma, big insurance and big medical.

While all the other countries that have single payer spend half of what we do, and they get better results.

 

[Anathema]

You keep telling yourself that buddy.

So you really think that Americans are going to continue working if they are not taking home the majority of their own esrnings?

Here's the reality. The US Spends more on health care than any other country in the world, much of it going into the coffers of big pharma, big insurance and big medical.

While all the other countries that have single payer spend half of what we do, and they get better results.earnings?

You mistake me for someone who gives a fuck what they do in other countries. I also have no issues with big companies making money.

In my mind no GOVERNMENT healthcare plan ever qualify as "better" than any private plan simply based on the immorality of Government involvement in health services.

 

[JoeB131]

So you really think that Americans are going to continue working if they are not taking home the majority of their own esrnings?

I think you start out with a false premise and argue it like it's a real thing. Nobody is paying 51% of their earnings in taxes.

In my mind no GOVERNMENT healthcare plan ever qualify as "better" than any private plan simply based on the immorality of Government involvement in health services.

Then how do you explain how people are generally satisfied with Medicare but think that private plans suck?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You keep telling yourself that buddy.

So you really think that Americans are going to continue working if they are not taking home the majority of their own esrnings?

Here's the reality. The US Spends more on health care than any other country in the world, much of it going into the coffers of big pharma, big insurance and big medical.

While all the other countries that have single payer spend half of what we do, and they get better results.earnings?

You mistake me for someone who gives a fuck what they do in other countries. I also have no issues with big companies making money.

In my mind no GOVERNMENT healthcare plan ever qualify as "better" than any private plan simply based on the immorality of Government involvement in health services.

"So you really think that Americans are going to continue working if they are not taking home the majority of their own esrnings?"

Of course they are, what a goofy question. And taxes are a shared burden, so you aren't looking at it correctly anyway.

 

[EverCurious]

 

[Anathema]

Of course they are, what a goofy question. And taxes are a shared burden, so you aren't looking at it correctly anyway.

Then they're nothing more thsn sheep, not Americans, and they deserve to be slaughtered like the livestock they are.

Any penny the Government takes from me which is spent on unconstitutional and immoral projects or programs is stolen, so far as I'm concerned.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Of course they are, what a goofy question. And taxes are a shared burden, so you aren't looking at it correctly anyway.

Then they're nothing more thsn sheep, not Americans, and they deserve to be slaughtered like the livestock they are.

Any penny the Government takes from me which is spent on unconstitutional and immoral projects or programs is stolen, so far as I'm concerned.

We all have our taxes go to things with which we don't agree. What makes you so special?

 

[Anathema]

We all have our taxes go to things with which we don't agree. What makes you so special?

Very simply - I'm willing to kill people over it.