Bernie Sanders says he wants to "redistribute wealth". But what does that really mean?

[rightwinger]

Actually, Bernie is saying the Government shouldn't continue polices that only enrich the wealthy

Agree?

It depends on the policy

If the policy is letting everyone keep more of their own money then yes and why would you have a problem with that anyway?

That's the way it works isn't it?

You wave a hundred dollar bill in front of a poor person and use it to justify billions going to the wealthy

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

You look at our economy as only what is paid in taxes and shown as income
Our economy is $116 trillion. That is the size of the pie we are talking about. What is given to the wealthy is labor. They use that labor in the generation of that $116 trillion in national wealth.
Those with the largest portion of the wealth are expected to contribute to the society that creates it

No one gives their labor to anyone they all get remunerated at the rate they themselves agreed to.

And the wealthiest already pay the lion's share of taxes a fact you seem to deny

I wouldn't call it a lions share. They used to pay a lions share of the taxes....since Reagan, it is more like a kitten

 

[Skull Pilot]

It depends on the policy

If the policy is letting everyone keep more of their own money then yes and why would you have a problem with that anyway?

That's the way it works isn't it?

You wave a hundred dollar bill in front of a poor person and use it to justify billions going to the wealthy

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

Money they make or money they take?

They don't really produce anything. What they do is control the purse strings and decide where the money goes. Workers produce wealth. For that work, they are provided a small piece of the pie. The wealthy control how big a piece the workers get to fight over. They use the government to protect their ability to attain and maintain wealth

Take from who?

What rich guy has ever taken money from you or anyone you know for that matter?

And workers sell their time for money that's all they do if they don't like what the market will pay for their time they can increase the worth of their time or work for themselves

Believe me there are not too many people out there whose leaving a business would even be noticed

Again you are wrapped up around the mighty dollar while you ignore how it is generated. The workers don't give dollars to the wealthy...they give labor. That labor is used to generate wealth

The rich guy takes our money by controlling how that wealth is distributed and uses the government to write laws and tax codes that protects his wealth

Sorry but you are dead wrong as usual

I already said laborers sell their time you're the one saying the rich take from laborers they don't

People get paid a wage they agree to period.

Nothing is taken from them and do these laborers really produce anything when the means, the materials and the process of production is provided for them?

 

[Skull Pilot]

It depends on the policy

If the policy is letting everyone keep more of their own money then yes and why would you have a problem with that anyway?

That's the way it works isn't it?

You wave a hundred dollar bill in front of a poor person and use it to justify billions going to the wealthy

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

You look at our economy as only what is paid in taxes and shown as income
Our economy is $116 trillion. That is the size of the pie we are talking about. What is given to the wealthy is labor. They use that labor in the generation of that $116 trillion in national wealth.
Those with the largest portion of the wealth are expected to contribute to the society that creates it

No one gives their labor to anyone they all get remunerated at the rate they themselves agreed to.

And the wealthiest already pay the lion's share of taxes a fact you seem to deny

I wouldn't call it a lions share. They used to pay a lions share of the taxes....since Reagan, it is more like a kitten

The marginal tax rate has nothing to do with mt statement

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

 

[Ame®icano]

One of you Bernistas please chime in:

Say I'm the CEO of a greedy, evil corporation facing severe competition from overseas firms with lower labor costs and few regulations. My company supplies jobs to, er, oppresses American workers. I have to show a profit for the company to survive in a competitive market. I have to show a return to my investors to maintain their confidence so they will continue to be a source of working capital. I have to daily prove to the board of directors that I'm their best pick as CEO for the health of the company and to beat our competition.

How is Bernie going to force me to abandon sound business practices learned the hard way in order to bankrupt my company, un-employ my workers, deflate my company stock and most important get myself fired? I've been all through his web site and he says he's going to do this but he never says how. So do tell.

I can't wait to hear this.

I dont feel the Bern, but here is my take on it. Sanders wants to tax you 90%. If he do so, he will discover what Hollande discovered in France when he raised tax to 75%, which is that rich will not pay taxes that high. Rich would either leave or they would stop generating wealth for themselves and their shareholders and employees. You as a CEO will close the business, and live of your earned savings and dividends, while workers you laid off will be on government payroll as "payees" instead of "payers".

 

[Ame®icano]

What it really means is that Bernie Sanders wants working class Americans to get a bigger share of the pie.

He wants the same thing as just about every single marxist, socialist, including progressives and national socialist and communist. But let's not go into details, so lets just say, he wants what is best for everyone, people will buy it.

 

[rightwinger]

That's the way it works isn't it?

You wave a hundred dollar bill in front of a poor person and use it to justify billions going to the wealthy

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

Money they make or money they take?

They don't really produce anything. What they do is control the purse strings and decide where the money goes. Workers produce wealth. For that work, they are provided a small piece of the pie. The wealthy control how big a piece the workers get to fight over. They use the government to protect their ability to attain and maintain wealth

Take from who?

What rich guy has ever taken money from you or anyone you know for that matter?

And workers sell their time for money that's all they do if they don't like what the market will pay for their time they can increase the worth of their time or work for themselves

Believe me there are not too many people out there whose leaving a business would even be noticed

Again you are wrapped up around the mighty dollar while you ignore how it is generated. The workers don't give dollars to the wealthy...they give labor. That labor is used to generate wealth

The rich guy takes our money by controlling how that wealth is distributed and uses the government to write laws and tax codes that protects his wealth

Sorry but you are dead wrong as usual

I already said laborers sell their time you're the one saying the rich take from laborers they don't

People get paid a wage they agree to period.

Nothing is taken from them and do these laborers really produce anything when the means, the materials and the process of production is provided for them?

Yes...Labor works for the wage they agree to
They have no choice. They have been placed in a position where they have fewer options and little bargaining power
Keep the workforce worried and hungry and they will accept what they are offered

 

[rightwinger]

That's the way it works isn't it?

You wave a hundred dollar bill in front of a poor person and use it to justify billions going to the wealthy

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

You look at our economy as only what is paid in taxes and shown as income
Our economy is $116 trillion. That is the size of the pie we are talking about. What is given to the wealthy is labor. They use that labor in the generation of that $116 trillion in national wealth.
Those with the largest portion of the wealth are expected to contribute to the society that creates it

No one gives their labor to anyone they all get remunerated at the rate they themselves agreed to.

And the wealthiest already pay the lion's share of taxes a fact you seem to deny

I wouldn't call it a lions share. They used to pay a lions share of the taxes....since Reagan, it is more like a kitten

The marginal tax rate has nothing to do with mt statement

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

All your link does is show where the concentration of income is......with the top 20%

Those with the most income, pay the most taxes

 

[Skull Pilot]

That's the way it works isn't it?

You wave a hundred dollar bill in front of a poor person and use it to justify billions going to the wealthy

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

Money they make or money they take?

They don't really produce anything. What they do is control the purse strings and decide where the money goes. Workers produce wealth. For that work, they are provided a small piece of the pie. The wealthy control how big a piece the workers get to fight over. They use the government to protect their ability to attain and maintain wealth

Take from who?

What rich guy has ever taken money from you or anyone you know for that matter?

And workers sell their time for money that's all they do if they don't like what the market will pay for their time they can increase the worth of their time or work for themselves

Believe me there are not too many people out there whose leaving a business would even be noticed

Again you are wrapped up around the mighty dollar while you ignore how it is generated. The workers don't give dollars to the wealthy...they give labor. That labor is used to generate wealth

The rich guy takes our money by controlling how that wealth is distributed and uses the government to write laws and tax codes that protects his wealth

Sorry but you are dead wrong as usual

I already said laborers sell their time you're the one saying the rich take from laborers they don't

People get paid a wage they agree to period.

Nothing is taken from them and do these laborers really produce anything when the means, the materials and the process of production is provided for them?

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

Money they make or money they take?

They don't really produce anything. What they do is control the purse strings and decide where the money goes. Workers produce wealth. For that work, they are provided a small piece of the pie. The wealthy control how big a piece the workers get to fight over. They use the government to protect their ability to attain and maintain wealth

Take from who?

What rich guy has ever taken money from you or anyone you know for that matter?

And workers sell their time for money that's all they do if they don't like what the market will pay for their time they can increase the worth of their time or work for themselves

Believe me there are not too many people out there whose leaving a business would even be noticed

Again you are wrapped up around the mighty dollar while you ignore how it is generated. The workers don't give dollars to the wealthy...they give labor. That labor is used to generate wealth

The rich guy takes our money by controlling how that wealth is distributed and uses the government to write laws and tax codes that protects his wealth

Sorry but you are dead wrong as usual

I already said laborers sell their time you're the one saying the rich take from laborers they don't

People get paid a wage they agree to period.

Nothing is taken from them and do these laborers really produce anything when the means, the materials and the process of production is provided for them?

Yes...Labor works for the wage they agree to
They have no choice. They have been placed in a position where they have fewer options and little bargaining power
Keep the workforce worried and hungry and they will accept what they are offered

Everyone has a choice just because people don't exercise their options does not mean there are no options to exercise

 

[Skull Pilot]

When you say billions "going to the wealthy" you mean the money they make right?

No money is being taken from anyone and given to a rich guy and you know it

And as I said the wealthy have done so well under Obama because of Obama/s economic policy of printing a shit load of money and keeping interest rates artificially low

You look at our economy as only what is paid in taxes and shown as income
Our economy is $116 trillion. That is the size of the pie we are talking about. What is given to the wealthy is labor. They use that labor in the generation of that $116 trillion in national wealth.
Those with the largest portion of the wealth are expected to contribute to the society that creates it

No one gives their labor to anyone they all get remunerated at the rate they themselves agreed to.

And the wealthiest already pay the lion's share of taxes a fact you seem to deny

I wouldn't call it a lions share. They used to pay a lions share of the taxes....since Reagan, it is more like a kitten

The marginal tax rate has nothing to do with mt statement

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

All your link does is show where the concentration of income is......with the top 20%

Those with the most income, pay the most taxes

And you dispute that?

BTW capital gains taxes are income taxes

And FYI businesses in general pay more taxes for the very same resources available to the public

 

[rightwinger]

You look at our economy as only what is paid in taxes and shown as income
Our economy is $116 trillion. That is the size of the pie we are talking about. What is given to the wealthy is labor. They use that labor in the generation of that $116 trillion in national wealth.
Those with the largest portion of the wealth are expected to contribute to the society that creates it

No one gives their labor to anyone they all get remunerated at the rate they themselves agreed to.

And the wealthiest already pay the lion's share of taxes a fact you seem to deny

I wouldn't call it a lions share. They used to pay a lions share of the taxes....since Reagan, it is more like a kitten

The marginal tax rate has nothing to do with mt statement

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

All your link does is show where the concentration of income is......with the top 20%

Those with the most income, pay the most taxes

And you dispute that?

BTW capital gains taxes are income taxes

And FYI businesses in general pay more taxes for the very same resources available to the public

Businesses benefit more from our public resources than the public does

They make money off of modern roads and infrastructure that allows them to move product in and out. They have access to the entire world as a market. They benefit more from the education system as the taxpayers provide them with an educated workforce. They benefit more from police and fire as they have more to lose. They benefit more from our court system which protects their investment

 

[Skull Pilot]

No one gives their labor to anyone they all get remunerated at the rate they themselves agreed to.

And the wealthiest already pay the lion's share of taxes a fact you seem to deny

I wouldn't call it a lions share. They used to pay a lions share of the taxes....since Reagan, it is more like a kitten

The marginal tax rate has nothing to do with mt statement

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

All your link does is show where the concentration of income is......with the top 20%

Those with the most income, pay the most taxes

And you dispute that?

BTW capital gains taxes are income taxes

And FYI businesses in general pay more taxes for the very same resources available to the public

Businesses benefit more from our public resources than the public does

They make money off of modern roads and infrastructure that allows them to move product in and out. They have access to the entire world as a market. They benefit more from the education system as the taxpayers provide them with an educated workforce. They benefit more from police and fire as they have more to lose. They benefit more from our court system which protects their investment

No they don't. Most large businesses have private security and fire suppression systems and those same cops and firefighters will serve even the smallest household and I daresay the family that risks losing everything in a fire has much much more to lose than any business as the business is most likely insured against such losses and the public isn't

Anyone can benefit from them and en masse the public gets far more benefit than businesses. Millions upon millions of people have an easy way to get to the place where they sell their labor

 

[dblack]

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What they do is control the purse strings and decide where the money goes.

Have you ever given any thought to how important those decisions are?

Actually, I have

Those decisions are not that important. You are either putting your money into option A or option B. It is not a case of Option A is immensely successful and Option B is a total failure. Typically, either option will be a qualified success. The wealthy make money regardless of the option they choose and take credit for it

Many years ago, I attended a talk by someone who'd given it a lot of thought. He was a former economic planner for the Soviet Union. The USSR tasked its most intelligent people with the problem of "controlling the purse strings and deciding where the money goes". In the end, after decades of frustration and failure, they concluded that the only way to efficiently steer labor and resources to satisfy the needs of a pluralistic economy was a distributed network of managers, each with a vested interest in successfully utilizing the resources that they were in charge of. We call that "capitalism".

Very true

And nobody is advocating giving government control of production and resources
What is being looked at is our current government policies that are built to ensure the accumulation and protection of wealth at the highest levels

That's not what I've been seeing. I know, because I argue a lot for exactly what you say you want - a thorough examination of all the ways our policies are corrupted and used to advance private interests - and almost no one cares. What I see, instead, is the assumption that such corruption exists, and proposals for blanket policies to reverse its effects. Such policies assume that all wealth is acquired via corruption and attempt to remedy the problem by "redistributing" it. The sick irony there, is that almost always such redistribution schemes involve piping tax revenues through federal programs that are as corrupt as anything they are supposedly correcting for (eg ACA).

If what you say is true, if what Bernie is really advocating for is addressing the ways our system is abused, he'll find a lot of allies among libertarians and genuine conservatives. If, on the other hand, he indulges his open desire for a a socialist state, we'll fight him tooth and nail.

 

[Skull Pilot]

What they do is control the purse strings and decide where the money goes.

Have you ever given any thought to how important those decisions are?

Actually, I have

Those decisions are not that important. You are either putting your money into option A or option B. It is not a case of Option A is immensely successful and Option B is a total failure. Typically, either option will be a qualified success. The wealthy make money regardless of the option they choose and take credit for it

There are infinite options. A wealthy person can don whatever they want with they're money. If they use it to produce

[

What they do is control the purse strings and decide where the money goes.

Have you ever given any thought to how important those decisions are?

Actually, I have

Those decisions are not that important. You are either putting your money into option A or option B. It is not a case of Option A is immensely successful and Option B is a total failure. Typically, either option will be a qualified success. The wealthy make money regardless of the option they choose and take credit for it

Many years ago, I attended a talk by someone who'd given it a lot of thought. He was a former economic planner for the Soviet Union. The USSR tasked its most intelligent people with the problem of "controlling the purse strings and deciding where the money goes". In the end, after decades of frustration and failure, they concluded that the only way to efficiently steer labor and resources to satisfy the needs of a pluralistic economy was a distributed network of managers, each with a vested interest in successfully utilizing the resources that they were in charge of. We call that "capitalism".

Very true

And nobody is advocating giving government control of production and resources
What is being looked at is our current government policies that are built to ensure the accumulation and protection of wealth at the highest levels

That's not what I've been seeing. I know, because I argue a lot for exactly what you say you want - a thorough examination of all the ways our policies are corrupted and used to advance private interests - and almost no one cares. What I see, instead, is the assumption that such corruption exists, and proposals for blanket policies to reverse its effects. Such policies assume that all wealth is acquired via corruption and attempt to remedy the problem it by "redistributing" it. The sick irony there, is that almost always such redistribution schemes involve piping tax revenues through federal programs that are as corrupt as anything they are supposedly correcting for (eg ACA).

If what you say is true, if what Bernie is really advocating for is addressing the ways our system is abused, he'll find a lot of allies among libertarians and genuine conservatives. If, on the other hand, he indulges his state desire for a a socialist state, we'll fight him tooth and nail.

You really think libertarians will support a guy who wants a 90% tax bracket and has aspirations of making our already colossal government a truly gargantuan bureaucracy?

What are you smoking and can I have some?

 

[Rustic]

This is the latest installation of liberals and other socialists saying they want to "redistribute" the wealth in this country. But that implies that the wealth was "distributed" by someone to us all in the first place, and maybe that someone did a bad job and the liberal socialists think they can do it better.

But wealth was never "distributed" to any of us, except maybe by welfare clerks to various indigent persons. But the $100 that's in my wallet now, wasn't distributed to me by anyone. A guy with a car and I made an agreement: I'd tune up his car and fix a few things on it, and he'd pay me $100 to do it. I tuned it up, changed the oil, and replaced two squeaking belts that were badly worn. He's happy, now it starts easier, gets better gas mileage, and doesn't make weird sounds as he drives. He'd much rather have a car that drives like this, than have the $100; and I'd much rather have the $100 and don't mind getting my hands dirty to do something I do well.

Nobody "distributed" anything to either one of us. He and I made a deal, both of us gave the other something of value, both of us are happy with the outcome.

But if our modern liberal socialists had come along just then, they might have taken the guy's $100, and the guy couldn't have gotten me to fix his car. He'd still have a sh*tty-running car that sometimes wouldn't start, I'd be $100 poorer... which means my son would be walking 3 miles to school instead of riding the bike I was about to fix up for him. The liberal socialists want me to think that a better use was made of that $100, than we would have made of it... but when we asked them exactly what the money was used for, they can't answer the question.

People who talk about "redistributing" wealth, are lying. What they are doing, is taking something that was yours, that you earned, and telling you that (a) they know better how to use it than you do, and (b) this somehow makes it OK for them to take it from you, whether you like it or not.

These people aren't "redistributing" anything, because your money wasn't "distributed" to you in the first place. You EARNED it, and you got it because you DESERVED it, not because some uninvolved bureaucrat thought your having it would somehow be a good idea and so gave his blessing on you to receive it.

"Redistributing" is the liberal socialists' way of implying you did NOT earn your money, and so it's not really yours. And pretending that his deciding what to use your money for, is the natural order of things. Not the idea that since you earned it, YOU should decide what to use it for. They're trying to get you away from that idea.

A man who jerks you into an alley, sticks a gun in your face, and demands you give him your money or he'll blast you, is doing the same thing those liberal socialists are. The only difference is, the guy with the gun is being more honest and straightforward about it. He's not pretending you owe him anything, and not trying to get you to believe that what he's doing is "moral", and not trying to fool you into thinking that your keeping your money is eeevil.

Next time one of our liberal socialists tells you he wants to "redistribute" the wealth, remember what he's really saying. And remember that in many ways you'd be better off with somebody sticking a gun in your face.

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Bernie Sanders: A "Little More Complicated" Than Just Taking Wealth From The Rich And Redistributing It

Bernie Sanders: A "Little More Complicated" Than Just Taking Wealth From The Rich And Redistributing It

Oct. 20, 2015

In an interview with Felix Salmon of Fusion, Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders explains how he would redistribute wealth back to the middle class. However, Sanders said it's "a little more complicated" than just taking wealth from the rich and redistributing it to the middle class. Sanders also proposed a wealth tax to help pay for his economic agenda.

"I think what’s happened is that there has been mass redistribution of wealth in this country for the last 30 years," Sanders said. "The problem is it’s gone from the middle class to the top one-tenth of 1%. And I think we have to redistribute it back to working families and the middle class so that they can have a decent standard of living."

He's bat shit crazy, he thinks he's Robin Hood!!

 

[dblack]

If what you say is true, if what Bernie is really advocating for is addressing the ways our system is abused, he'll find a lot of allies among libertarians and genuine conservatives. If, on the other hand, he indulges his state desire for a a socialist state, we'll fight him tooth and nail.

You really think libertarians will support a guy who wants a 90% tax bracket and has aspirations of making our already colossal government a truly gargantuan bureaucracy?

What are you smoking and can I have some?

I said "If".

 

[rightwinger]

I wouldn't call it a lions share. They used to pay a lions share of the taxes....since Reagan, it is more like a kitten

The marginal tax rate has nothing to do with mt statement

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

All your link does is show where the concentration of income is......with the top 20%

Those with the most income, pay the most taxes

And you dispute that?

BTW capital gains taxes are income taxes

And FYI businesses in general pay more taxes for the very same resources available to the public

Businesses benefit more from our public resources than the public does

They make money off of modern roads and infrastructure that allows them to move product in and out. They have access to the entire world as a market. They benefit more from the education system as the taxpayers provide them with an educated workforce. They benefit more from police and fire as they have more to lose. They benefit more from our court system which protects their investment

No they don't. Most large businesses have private security and fire suppression systems and those same cops and firefighters will serve even the smallest household and I daresay the family that risks losing everything in a fire has much much more to lose than any business as the business is most likely insured against such losses and the public isn't

Anyone can benefit from them and en masse the public gets far more benefit than businesses. Millions upon millions of people have an easy way to get to the place where they sell their labor

Business benefits more from our infrastructure than families

A family needs a road infrastructure to visit grandma once in a while

A business without access to its markets dies

 

[Ame®icano]

Business benefits more from our infrastructure than families

A family needs a road infrastructure to visit grandma once in a while

A business without access to its markets dies

 

[Skull Pilot]

The marginal tax rate has nothing to do with mt statement

Top 20% of Earners Pay 84% of Income Tax

All your link does is show where the concentration of income is......with the top 20%

Those with the most income, pay the most taxes

And you dispute that?

BTW capital gains taxes are income taxes

And FYI businesses in general pay more taxes for the very same resources available to the public

Businesses benefit more from our public resources than the public does

They make money off of modern roads and infrastructure that allows them to move product in and out. They have access to the entire world as a market. They benefit more from the education system as the taxpayers provide them with an educated workforce. They benefit more from police and fire as they have more to lose. They benefit more from our court system which protects their investment

No they don't. Most large businesses have private security and fire suppression systems and those same cops and firefighters will serve even the smallest household and I daresay the family that risks losing everything in a fire has much much more to lose than any business as the business is most likely insured against such losses and the public isn't

Anyone can benefit from them and en masse the public gets far more benefit than businesses. Millions upon millions of people have an easy way to get to the place where they sell their labor

Business benefits more from our infrastructure than families

A family needs a road infrastructure to visit grandma once in a while

A business without access to its markets dies

Like I said en masse the public benefits far more than businesses

Without easy access to employment, supermarkets, etc etc what happens to people. You just can't face the fact that an employer makes it easier not more difficult to earn. A safe environment, all materials and means necessary to do their jobs supplies at little or no cost to the employees benefit packages opportunity for advancement with current employer or the opportunity for experience that will make his time more valuable to another employer etc

Sorry but no one who voluntarily takes a job at an agreed upon wage is being taken advantage of

 

[Little-Acorn]

In an interview with Felix Salmon of Fusion, Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders explains how he would redistribute wealth back to the middle class.

He's bat shit crazy, he thinks he's Robin Hood!!

A lot of people blithely cite Robin Hood, without thinking through what Robin Hood actually did.

I know, no one's really sure if he even existed. But the legends are fun to read and study, anyway.

Someone writing a movie came up with the shortie, "He robbed from the rich and gave to the poor" to try to explain what RH did. But it is pretty wide of the mark.

Who, exactly, did Robin Hood "steal" from?

Government tax collectors and treasury agents!

And who did he give the money to?

Farmers, cobblers, cabinet makers, seamstresses, housewives, blacksmiths etc. Most of whom were poor. In other words, he gave the money back to the people the government agents had taken it from in the first place, who were suffering in poverty after the government has raided their pocketbooks.

Robin Hood was a conservative.

 

[rightwinger]

All your link does is show where the concentration of income is......with the top 20%

Those with the most income, pay the most taxes

And you dispute that?

BTW capital gains taxes are income taxes

And FYI businesses in general pay more taxes for the very same resources available to the public

Businesses benefit more from our public resources than the public does

They make money off of modern roads and infrastructure that allows them to move product in and out. They have access to the entire world as a market. They benefit more from the education system as the taxpayers provide them with an educated workforce. They benefit more from police and fire as they have more to lose. They benefit more from our court system which protects their investment

No they don't. Most large businesses have private security and fire suppression systems and those same cops and firefighters will serve even the smallest household and I daresay the family that risks losing everything in a fire has much much more to lose than any business as the business is most likely insured against such losses and the public isn't

Anyone can benefit from them and en masse the public gets far more benefit than businesses. Millions upon millions of people have an easy way to get to the place where they sell their labor

Business benefits more from our infrastructure than families

A family needs a road infrastructure to visit grandma once in a while

A business without access to its markets dies

Like I said en masse the public benefits far more than businesses

Without easy access to employment, supermarkets, etc etc what happens to people. You just can't face the fact that an employer makes it easier not more difficult to earn. A safe environment, all materials and means necessary to do their jobs supplies at little or no cost to the employees benefit packages opportunity for advancement with current employer or the opportunity for experience that will make his time more valuable to another employer etc

Sorry but no one who voluntarily takes a job at an agreed upon wage is being taken advantage of

Without infrastructure supporting access to employment from long distances, employees would do what they used to do .........Live within walking distance of their jobs

Without roads, bridges, rail, waterways....business would be forced to get their supplies from local sources and sell their goods locally

Business benefits much, much more than their employees do