Beautiful piece of progressive propaganda. Trump is a bad man.

Nationalism makes perfect sense...

Nope. Don't give one rat's ass about the well-being of the state. If it's not protecting the freedom of the people, it's not worth defending. That's where nationalists have their heads up their collective asses. Their reverence for the supreme authority of government is vile and should be rejected outright by all freedom-loving people.
 
Trump is not a nationalist.

He is a Trumpist. Trump First. Trump And Only Trump.

If that means fucking over America, so be it. If that means lying every hour of every day to America, so be it. If that means spitting in the faces of the rubes and getting them to flip on every standard they claimed to support, so be it.

If that means fucking around on his wife for his own pleasure, and watching the cult of personality support his adultery, so be it.

If that means running up a trillion dollar deficit to artificially juice the GDP, and watch his idiot rubes turn a blind eye to what they used to howl over, so be it.

If that means starting a tariff war for the labor unions while his rubes reverse themselves on protectionism for Trump's personal amusement, so be it.

If that means skipping a centennial ceremony honoring our war dead because his hair and makeup might melt, and watching the rubes suddenly not give a shit about patriotism, so be it.

Trump's rubes DESERVE to be lied to.


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Must be why jobs are strong.
 
Trump is not a nationalist.

He is a Trumpist. Trump First. Trump And Only Trump.

If that means fucking over America, so be it. If that means lying every hour of every day to America, so be it. If that means spitting in the faces of the rubes and getting them to flip on every standard they claimed to support, so be it.

If that means fucking around on his wife for his own pleasure, and watching the cult of personality support his adultery, so be it.

If that means running up a trillion dollar deficit to artificially juice the GDP, and watch his idiot rubes turn a blind eye to what they used to howl over, so be it.

If that means starting a tariff war for the labor unions while his rubes reverse themselves on protectionism for Trump's personal amusement, so be it.

If that means skipping a centennial ceremony honoring our war dead because his hair and makeup might melt, and watching the rubes suddenly not give a shit about patriotism, so be it.

Trump's rubes DESERVE to be lied to.


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Must be why jobs are strong.
Trump has nothing to do with it.

He was elected on third base, and the rube herd thinks he hit a triple! If the morbidly obese idiot falls on his face running for home and gets tagged out, that's all on him.
 
Trump is not a nationalist.

He is a Trumpist. Trump First. Trump And Only Trump.

If that means fucking over America, so be it. If that means lying every hour of every day to America, so be it. If that means spitting in the faces of the rubes and getting them to flip on every standard they claimed to support, so be it.

If that means fucking around on his wife for his own pleasure, and watching the cult of personality support his adultery, so be it.

If that means running up a trillion dollar deficit to artificially juice the GDP, and watch his idiot rubes turn a blind eye to what they used to howl over, so be it.

If that means starting a tariff war for the labor unions while his rubes reverse themselves on protectionism for Trump's personal amusement, so be it.

If that means skipping a centennial ceremony honoring our war dead because his hair and makeup might melt, and watching the rubes suddenly not give a shit about patriotism, so be it.

Trump's rubes DESERVE to be lied to.


trump-made-in-mexico.jpg
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trump-made-in-china.jpg
Must be why jobs are strong.
Trump has nothing to do with it.

He was elected on third base, and the rube herd thinks he hit a triple! If the morbidly obese idiot falls on his face running for home and gets tagged out, that's all on him.
Sez an enema of the state,
 
Trump is not a nationalist.

He is a Trumpist. Trump First. Trump And Only Trump.

If that means fucking over America, so be it. If that means lying every hour of every day to America, so be it. If that means spitting in the faces of the rubes and getting them to flip on every standard they claimed to support, so be it.

If that means fucking around on his wife for his own pleasure, and watching the cult of personality support his adultery, so be it.

If that means running up a trillion dollar deficit to artificially juice the GDP, and watch his idiot rubes turn a blind eye to what they used to howl over, so be it.

If that means starting a tariff war for the labor unions while his rubes reverse themselves on protectionism for Trump's personal amusement, so be it.

If that means skipping a centennial ceremony honoring our war dead because his hair and makeup might melt, and watching the rubes suddenly not give a shit about patriotism, so be it.

Trump's rubes DESERVE to be lied to.


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trump-made-in-china.jpg
Must be why jobs are strong.
Might be because it already was strong when he came in, and he added a trillion dollars worth of sugar. Who cares about the debt? At least the Rich are doing great...
 
Trump is not a nationalist.

He is a Trumpist. Trump First. Trump And Only Trump.

Yep, you got a point there, and with most of the points you make I wholeheartedly agree. However...

If that means starting a tariff war for the labor unions while his rubes reverse themselves on protectionism for Trump's personal amusement, so be it.

... you actually, seriously believe the Trumpy went into his tariff wars on behalf of the "the labor unions"?
 
Politicians like Trump and others throw the term "nationalist" around to make white supremacists feel less scary about a world that is globally connected

Meanwhile, most of Trump's policies are the same ole globalist policies of the GOP -- all he did was give you the equivalent of a baby rattle to calm your fears of the "Jews" and the "others"
 
Anytime someone says "all" or "everyone" it's code the messenger is insecure and desires everyone thinks as they do.


Lock step conformity like this also follows an unquestioning nature.

Many are incapable of understanding WHY they support one position over another, only that all their little peeps do so.
The entire world outside your ridiculous bubble of GOP BS hate propaganda thinks you are insane. Only the Rupert Murdoch TV channel and newspapers agrees with you. You are in fact functionally insane like most GOP voters who get their idiotic alternative facts direct from GOP greedy idiot billionaires.
I'm not a member of the G.O.P you stupid child.


You leftist fundamentalists are just the same as the religious fundies of the right. They call anybody a liberal if they don't thump a bible and claim the world is only 6000 years old. You call anybody a conservative if they are so much as a half step to the right of Che Guevara.

Heck, the first time I noticed you, I thought you were a neo Nazi due to the combination of your avatar and your antisemitism. I see,now, that you are merely an uneducated leftist with no more awareness of world than a child.
If you call having a masters in history uneducated LOL and having been to Europe 23 times and fluent in French and Spanish. So who do you vote for, and do you believe Hillary and Obama and Lerner and holder are corrupt and protected? If you believe all that crap and don't vote for Democrats, you are a GOP dupe no matter what you call yourself. If you vote Democratic, congratulations.

Interesting, is that the result of your education? Looks more like an indoctrination. Your point in simple terms: If you don't believe Democrats have high integrity + don't vote Democrat = GOP dupe
 
Anytime someone says "all" or "everyone" it's code the messenger is insecure and desires everyone thinks as they do.


Lock step conformity like this also follows an unquestioning nature.

Many are incapable of understanding WHY they support one position over another, only that all their little peeps do so.
The entire world outside your ridiculous bubble of GOP BS hate propaganda thinks you are insane. Only the Rupert Murdoch TV channel and newspapers agrees with you. You are in fact functionally insane like most GOP voters who get their idiotic alternative facts direct from GOP greedy idiot billionaires.
I'm not a member of the G.O.P you stupid child.


You leftist fundamentalists are just the same as the religious fundies of the right. They call anybody a liberal if they don't thump a bible and claim the world is only 6000 years old. You call anybody a conservative if they are so much as a half step to the right of Che Guevara.

Heck, the first time I noticed you, I thought you were a neo Nazi due to the combination of your avatar and your antisemitism. I see,now, that you are merely an uneducated leftist with no more awareness of world than a child.
If you call having a masters in history uneducated LOL and having been to Europe 23 times and fluent in French and Spanish. So who do you vote for, and do you believe Hillary and Obama and Lerner and holder are corrupt and protected? If you believe all that crap and don't vote for Democrats, you are a GOP dupe no matter what you call yourself. If you vote Democratic, congratulations.

Interesting, is that the result of your education? Looks more like an indoctrination. Your point in simple terms: If you don't believe Democrats have high integrity + don't vote Democrat = GOP dupe
The GOP propaganda machine and their kowtowing politicians and Trump are totally fos. The worst thing that's ever happened to American politics... Took a lot of study reading listening to all media and 10 years of listening to you Jokers on message boards... Indoctrination is listening to Rush Limbaugh for a year and believing you know everything, like GOP scholars
 
Nationalism makes perfect sense, and that's where progressives get lost on things.

For the rest of us, it's particularly clear the elite want a dumbed down public under one-world order, where there's the very rich, and the rest of us are fucked.

Trump largely alone as world leaders take aim at nationalism

Nationalism makes perfect sense until it starts falling down.

Nationalism is about hiding reality behind a screen of "patriotism".

List of figures in nationalism - Wikipedia

A list of nationalists. How many of these were actually effective?

You're making a false correlation. DICTATORS NEED to be nationalistic. Nationalists don't NEED to be dictators.

It's a generic term not equivalent to aggression nor tyranny...
 
What's the opposite of globalism? Why it's nationalism... And it has nothing to do with renouncing leadership in the world or dictatorships..

Globalism was the reason Obama talked us into the "new normal" and "the jobs aint coming back".. Coupled with the progressive obsession against GROWTH of GDP and the economy, and their belief that we must redistribute wealth on a global scale -- globalism is NOT something that doesn't carry a price tag for our citizens.

I've spent too much time watching VERY SMART corporate managements among my clients virtually GIVE China the keys to their businesses or allowing them to take them. Global TRADE needs to be fair. And generally I'm all for it. But our political leadership has NOT been negotiating on OUR behalf for a couple decades now..

All good points...but globalism isn’t all bad either...and nationalism does have a dark side. I remember ages ago in a high school history class, learning about the development of human states. From tribes to city states to nation states to modern nations to now..globalism. Did each step lead to a disenfranchised group that did not benefit like the rest? I think nationalism is just another form of tribalism.

Agree with you on China though!

As I stated earlier, nationalism is the mother of patriotism and you can't have one without the other. Globalism is a cute word for One World Government/New World Order. I'll be damned if I would ever obey the rule of the UN that Obama wants to be the emperor of. That's the Alinsky Rules for Radicals and it is totally Progressive Socialism. Our Founding Fathers were strict nationalists and they would be horrified at the thought of globalism.
I guess I see globalism as trade and a common shared set of denocratic values.

I see that too and that's what it's supposed to be but Progressives have made it a slave to One World Government principles. I can't understand why everyone cant see that it is not good.

One World Corporate principles. Corporations are multinational. Financial institutions are multinational. And hedge funds.
I don't know if I would lay that all at the feet of Progressives. They just happen to be the latest to get ate up and spout the Cold War propaganda of "spreading democracy".

Of course. But even the middle class are urged to have "international exposure" in their security portfolios. It's not a bourgeoisie thing -- even the PEONS have global exposure. That's not a bad form of globalism. Unless YOUR portfolio is all in China.
 
What's the opposite of globalism? Why it's nationalism... And it has nothing to do with renouncing leadership in the world or dictatorships..

Globalism was the reason Obama talked us into the "new normal" and "the jobs aint coming back".. Coupled with the progressive obsession against GROWTH of GDP and the economy, and their belief that we must redistribute wealth on a global scale -- globalism is NOT something that doesn't carry a price tag for our citizens.

I've spent too much time watching VERY SMART corporate managements among my clients virtually GIVE China the keys to their businesses or allowing them to take them. Global TRADE needs to be fair. And generally I'm all for it. But our political leadership has NOT been negotiating on OUR behalf for a couple decades now..

All good points...but globalism isn’t all bad either...and nationalism does have a dark side. I remember ages ago in a high school history class, learning about the development of human states. From tribes to city states to nation states to modern nations to now..globalism. Did each step lead to a disenfranchised group that did not benefit like the rest? I think nationalism is just another form of tribalism.

Agree with you on China though!

Of course globalism is not all bad. And there aren't many parallels to ANCIENT history because the world was not as accessible and intertwined. Globalism developed BECAUSE the distances got smaller. Countries could project power faster and easier. And trade became any old oligarchs game. Didn't need constructs like the British East India Company or other Europe Imperialistic others.

But some of the elements you're equating with globalism -- just aren't part of the "nationalism" platform (if one existed). Like military parity.. China is not gonna gain an advantage under a nationalist policy. Nationalists don't HAVE to be isolationists when it comes to strategic military confrontations -- even proxy wars.

Just so happens tho -- that most "populist" nationalists, as Trump is, will probably shy away from interjecting the US in places where there is no great ally to be gained. We've had TOO MUCH (failed) foreign intervention and nation building. Regional conflicts really NEED -- regional solutions. NOT negotiated convenient agreements between the powerful countries of the world.

Globalism has a "power" component, a bigger economic component, and an ethical component. The push to build an EU or a NAFTA trade zone or other regional alliances came with HUGE BILLS for the sovereignty and the innate character of the individual countries.

And you're seeing that backlash right now.. We can't even heal OUR country. What in blazes makes you think we can heal the world?
Good points Flac! Some points to ponder...globalism is as old as man. It is just that the world” was smaller back then but it seemed just as big and connected. A biblical flood encompassing the world may only have encompassed the Middke East but that was the known world.

I think globalism is inevitable...so it is up to us to decide what path it will take.

Globalism is only as old as man in your very fertile imagination.

Hunter gatherers had no concept of it .Early tribal leaders only concerned themselves with their tribe. Empire builders driven by ego sought to expand their empires, but that isn't globalism .Nation states have existed for centuries as nation states

This globalism you support that takes away people's ability to determine their own course of action and places it in the hands of a select few multinational corporations is as recent as it is profoundly undemocratic .
In this age of information and transportation Etc, is only natural that manual labor goes where it is the cheapest. Intelligent countries like Germany train their workers for the good jobs that these new markets produce. But here we have to save the greedy idiot GOP rich from paying their fair share, so we have no money for training infrastructure or anything else. Great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes...

Wasn't any special effort by the "dupes".. Our house got robbed under 5 administrations.

And "cheap labor" was a passing fad. Biggest investor in 21st century robotics is China. THEY know that "cheap labor" is not a future for them...

But we're still clueless -- apparently. And leaderless.
 
You're making a false correlation. DICTATORS NEED to be nationalistic. Nationalists don't NEED to be dictators.

When I was a boy I came home from school one day and told my dad about how you can tell if a snake is poisonous by the pits in the side of their head. He thought for a minute and said "Son, if you're close enough to see the pits in the side of the snake's head, it's already too late."
 
Nationalism makes perfect sense, and that's where progressives get lost on things.

For the rest of us, it's particularly clear the elite want a dumbed down public under one-world order, where there's the very rich, and the rest of us are fucked.

Trump largely alone as world leaders take aim at nationalism

Nationalism makes perfect sense until it starts falling down.

Nationalism is about hiding reality behind a screen of "patriotism".

List of figures in nationalism - Wikipedia

A list of nationalists. How many of these were actually effective?

You're making a false correlation. DICTATORS NEED to be nationalistic. Nationalists don't NEED to be dictators.

It's a generic term not equivalent to aggression nor tyranny...

Can you show me where nationalism has worked?

Can you show me where nationalism hasn't turned into a form of dictatorship?
 
All good points...but globalism isn’t all bad either...and nationalism does have a dark side. I remember ages ago in a high school history class, learning about the development of human states. From tribes to city states to nation states to modern nations to now..globalism. Did each step lead to a disenfranchised group that did not benefit like the rest? I think nationalism is just another form of tribalism.

Agree with you on China though!

Of course globalism is not all bad. And there aren't many parallels to ANCIENT history because the world was not as accessible and intertwined. Globalism developed BECAUSE the distances got smaller. Countries could project power faster and easier. And trade became any old oligarchs game. Didn't need constructs like the British East India Company or other Europe Imperialistic others.

But some of the elements you're equating with globalism -- just aren't part of the "nationalism" platform (if one existed). Like military parity.. China is not gonna gain an advantage under a nationalist policy. Nationalists don't HAVE to be isolationists when it comes to strategic military confrontations -- even proxy wars.

Just so happens tho -- that most "populist" nationalists, as Trump is, will probably shy away from interjecting the US in places where there is no great ally to be gained. We've had TOO MUCH (failed) foreign intervention and nation building. Regional conflicts really NEED -- regional solutions. NOT negotiated convenient agreements between the powerful countries of the world.

Globalism has a "power" component, a bigger economic component, and an ethical component. The push to build an EU or a NAFTA trade zone or other regional alliances came with HUGE BILLS for the sovereignty and the innate character of the individual countries.

And you're seeing that backlash right now.. We can't even heal OUR country. What in blazes makes you think we can heal the world?
Good points Flac! Some points to ponder...globalism is as old as man. It is just that the world” was smaller back then but it seemed just as big and connected. A biblical flood encompassing the world may only have encompassed the Middke East but that was the known world.

I think globalism is inevitable...so it is up to us to decide what path it will take.

Globalism is only as old as man in your very fertile imagination.

Hunter gatherers had no concept of it .Early tribal leaders only concerned themselves with their tribe. Empire builders driven by ego sought to expand their empires, but that isn't globalism .Nation states have existed for centuries as nation states

This globalism you support that takes away people's ability to determine their own course of action and places it in the hands of a select few multinational corporations is as recent as it is profoundly undemocratic .
In this age of information and transportation Etc, is only natural that manual labor goes where it is the cheapest. Intelligent countries like Germany train their workers for the good jobs that these new markets produce. But here we have to save the greedy idiot GOP rich from paying their fair share, so we have no money for training infrastructure or anything else. Great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes...

Wasn't any special effort by the "dupes".. Our house got robbed under 5 administrations.

And "cheap labor" was a passing fad. Biggest investor in 21st century robotics is China. THEY know that "cheap labor" is not a future for them...

But we're still clueless -- apparently. And leaderless.
35 years of not taxing the rich enough and cutting services, coincidentally 32 years of BS propaganda and hate from the GOP propaganda machine. You Republicans love cheap maids and gardeners and farm workers.
 
Nationalism makes perfect sense, and that's where progressives get lost on things.

For the rest of us, it's particularly clear the elite want a dumbed down public under one-world order, where there's the very rich, and the rest of us are fucked.

Trump largely alone as world leaders take aim at nationalism

Nationalism makes perfect sense until it starts falling down.

Nationalism is about hiding reality behind a screen of "patriotism".

List of figures in nationalism - Wikipedia

A list of nationalists. How many of these were actually effective?

You're making a false correlation. DICTATORS NEED to be nationalistic. Nationalists don't NEED to be dictators.

It's a generic term not equivalent to aggression nor tyranny...

Can you show me where nationalism has worked?

Can you show me where nationalism hasn't turned into a form of dictatorship?

Every monarchy in Europe. And the first 150 years of this Republic. It's not RARE thing, if you actually stopped typing and thought about it....
 
Nationalism makes perfect sense, and that's where progressives get lost on things.

For the rest of us, it's particularly clear the elite want a dumbed down public under one-world order, where there's the very rich, and the rest of us are fucked.

Trump largely alone as world leaders take aim at nationalism

Nationalism makes perfect sense until it starts falling down.

Nationalism is about hiding reality behind a screen of "patriotism".

List of figures in nationalism - Wikipedia

A list of nationalists. How many of these were actually effective?

You're making a false correlation. DICTATORS NEED to be nationalistic. Nationalists don't NEED to be dictators.

It's a generic term not equivalent to aggression nor tyranny...

Can you show me where nationalism has worked?

Can you show me where nationalism hasn't turned into a form of dictatorship?

Every monarchy in Europe. And the first 150 years of this Republic. It's not RARE thing, if you actually stopped typing and thought about it....

Every monarch in Europe..... and how many of them survived?

Those that did survive did so by giving up Nationalism and their power.

And even then I disagree that they were Nationalistic.

The first 150 years of the US weren't Nationalistic at all.

Nationalism as a concept often comes down to certain characteristics.

1) Sovereignty over the homeland free from outside interference and self-determination
2) A national identity based on shared and often forced culture, ethnicity, language and religion.
3) Often it becomes nationalistic when the means of production are closely related to the ruling elite, as opposed to foreign means of production.
4) Patriotism in the sense that the right wingers on this forum like to express, where patriotism is about national identity through certain symbols and actions that are forced on people.

Nationalism is really something that's only existed within the last few hundred years.
 
Lock step conformity like this also follows an unquestioning nature.

Many are incapable of understanding WHY they support one position over another, only that all their little peeps do so.
The entire world outside your ridiculous bubble of GOP BS hate propaganda thinks you are insane. Only the Rupert Murdoch TV channel and newspapers agrees with you. You are in fact functionally insane like most GOP voters who get their idiotic alternative facts direct from GOP greedy idiot billionaires.
I'm not a member of the G.O.P you stupid child.


You leftist fundamentalists are just the same as the religious fundies of the right. They call anybody a liberal if they don't thump a bible and claim the world is only 6000 years old. You call anybody a conservative if they are so much as a half step to the right of Che Guevara.

Heck, the first time I noticed you, I thought you were a neo Nazi due to the combination of your avatar and your antisemitism. I see,now, that you are merely an uneducated leftist with no more awareness of world than a child.
If you call having a masters in history uneducated LOL and having been to Europe 23 times and fluent in French and Spanish. So who do you vote for, and do you believe Hillary and Obama and Lerner and holder are corrupt and protected? If you believe all that crap and don't vote for Democrats, you are a GOP dupe no matter what you call yourself. If you vote Democratic, congratulations.

Interesting, is that the result of your education? Looks more like an indoctrination. Your point in simple terms: If you don't believe Democrats have high integrity + don't vote Democrat = GOP dupe
The GOP propaganda machine and their kowtowing politicians and Trump are totally fos. The worst thing that's ever happened to American politics... Took a lot of study reading listening to all media and 10 years of listening to you Jokers on message boards... Indoctrination is listening to Rush Limbaugh for a year and believing you know everything, like GOP scholars

Ha ha ha ha @ GOP propaganda machine. Yet you claim to have access to the media............SMH.
 

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