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Downfall? Could you specify in what respect?was that what caused the downfall of these great united states.
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Downfall? Could you specify in what respect?was that what caused the downfall of these great united states.
Ever read old Karl? It comes through loud and clear in the communist manifesto. No tactic is too dirty if it furthers the revolution.
Define ethics. and than look at the history of same and tell me that Christianity didn't improve drastically upon the situation it came into.
I don't think Christianity is an improvement on Judaism, if that's what you mean, quite the contrary. I think the Jews have a better set up, much better. Most of Christianity is begged, borrowed and stolen from Judaism anyway, with a few pagan twists in there to make it more salient.
If you are insinuating that Christianity improved on the Roman model of tolerance and assimilation of all the cultural religions, I would disagree there as well.
I fully agree ! Now lets burn all these motherfucking witches and devil worshippers and faggots and rock star freakoids in the name of The Lord Jesus !was that what caused the downfall of these great united states.
First one must differentiate early Christianity from Roman Catholicism which wahtever the roman catholics say does not really achieve any real support until nearly the 4th century AD.
First one must differentiate early Christianity from Roman Catholicism which wahtever the roman catholics say does not really achieve any real support until nearly the 4th century AD.
I was not referring to Roman Catholicism at all. I was referring to the polytheistic, Hellenic and assimilated religions, the traditions of the Roman and Empire and their conquered territories. You are entirely off base.
I blame the radical atheists for the decline of morality in children. Kids don't know right from wrong anymore and believe that they are the center of the universe. Sad and scary.
I agree that radical attachment to dogma can be dangerous. However, there are several who have faith (thus not atheists) yet follow no dogma and conflating the two is not always accurate. One is just a subset of a larger set.I blame the radical atheists for the decline of morality in children. Kids don't know right from wrong anymore and believe that they are the center of the universe. Sad and scary.
and that comes from atheism?
hmmmmmmmmmm.... makes you wanna go back to the good ole days of buring "witches" at the stake and trial by fire, eh?
cause those things were so "moral", eh?
I think your cause and effect are unrelated. And I think your premise is false in the first palce.
But then again, the O/P is idiocy, too.
Interestingly, I find most of the problems in the word are caused by people's radical attachment to dogma.... when joined with nationalism, that type of radical religiousity is fanaticism...
and things go boom...
I agree that radical attachment to dogma can be dangerous. However, there are several who have faith (thus not atheists) yet follow no dogma and conflating the two is not always accurate. One is just a subset of a larger set.I blame the radical atheists for the decline of morality in children. Kids don't know right from wrong anymore and believe that they are the center of the universe. Sad and scary.
and that comes from atheism?
hmmmmmmmmmm.... makes you wanna go back to the good ole days of buring "witches" at the stake and trial by fire, eh?
cause those things were so "moral", eh?
I think your cause and effect are unrelated. And I think your premise is false in the first palce.
But then again, the O/P is idiocy, too.
Interestingly, I find most of the problems in the word are caused by people's radical attachment to dogma.... when joined with nationalism, that type of radical religiousity is fanaticism...
and things go boom...
jillian! Hush your mouth child! You'd have "questioning" in a religion?
Didn't you get the memos?
Yes, you have an excellent point. My personal experience is there is just as much possibility that one who is not moral in my opinion, is atheist as there is for them to be religious. You have a stronger anecdotal correlation than I do, but even if one had an opposite anecdotal correlation, any conclusion based on that, such as the OP's and others', is without proper foundation.I agree that radical attachment to dogma can be dangerous. However, there are several who have faith (thus not atheists) yet follow no dogma and conflating the two is not always accurate. One is just a subset of a larger set.and that comes from atheism?
hmmmmmmmmmm.... makes you wanna go back to the good ole days of buring "witches" at the stake and trial by fire, eh?
cause those things were so "moral", eh?
I think your cause and effect are unrelated. And I think your premise is false in the first palce.
But then again, the O/P is idiocy, too.
Interestingly, I find most of the problems in the word are caused by people's radical attachment to dogma.... when joined with nationalism, that type of radical religiousity is fanaticism...
and things go boom...
I agree that conflating the two is not always accurate.
My issue with the baseless generalizations of the prior posters is that I don't think there is necessarily a corrolation between morality and faith. Some of the least moral people I've seen claim to be religious. Some of the most moral I've known are atheists.
And the darkest segments of history are those where religious leaders and government were one and the same.
Yes, you have an excellent point. My personal experience is there is just as much possibility that one who is not moral in my opinion, is atheist as there is for them to be religious. You have a stronger anecdotal correlation than I do, but even if one had an opposite anecdotal correlation, any conclusion based on that, such as the OP's and others', is without proper foundation.
Yes, secular governments are the best for intellectual advancement, historically; and there is little reason to think that sort of culture promoting growth would change in the future.