At this moment, this Presidency is not going well

IF tech started closing production there in China one by one, closing factories... going elsewhere, diversifying their production countries...
the Chinese would learn right quick, that THEY better handle their tech theft.
the businesses have A LOT of power they can use.... MORE than any gvt regulation or hammer use, imo.
There are certainly some options, theoretically, like India, Vietnam, maybe South Korea. Although, my first choice would be Central and South America: Band Aids, Borders, Burritos & Bejing

Problem is, even if we started now, it would take a while. But yeah, I'm all for that.
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From my presective the economy is doing good are there weak spots of course tere are under every President but overall am I better off than I was eight years ago yes. Trade with China is a tricky situation and it won't be a quick or easy fix but at least Trump is trying to fix the problem which is a marked improvememt over what past Presidents have done in dealing with China which was basicall drop their pants and bend over. Illegal immigration has been a problem since Reagan and it's one neither party really wants to address even when we had massive caravans heading towards the Southern border many still refused to admit there was a problem people might not like the wall idea and think it's simplistic but it's still better than just pretending there is no problem. Is there still racism in the country yes and there probably always will be I will also point out racism comes in many forms not just white against non white you can make the arguement Trump has not helped the situation you can also argue his critics in and out of the media have done just as much to make the situation worse as he has. Overall the Trump Presidency has not been perfect and he is not the greatest President in history nor has it been a total disaster and he is not the worst president in history either as is usually the case the truth lies in between the two extermes.
 
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by the way, all you posted was conjecture and opinion no evidence of anything. So wrong is no supporting evidence
"Sure we’re for a wall. We’re for tariffs, we’re for trump."

That's it? That is showing me that my OP was incorrect?

Well, okay, I guess that's your level. Got it, thanks.
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That we agree with his economic position, immigration, the trade and taking back what is ours. What you posted are the left talking points even down to race. Fk dude, don’t you have your own opinions?
Well, I do love irony from obedient Trumpsters.

Issues you agree with, and what is actually happening, are two different things. I guess you don't understand that.

If you can't understand something that elementary, there's nothing else I can say.
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You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
 
"Sure we’re for a wall. We’re for tariffs, we’re for trump."

That's it? That is showing me that my OP was incorrect?

Well, okay, I guess that's your level. Got it, thanks.
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That we agree with his economic position, immigration, the trade and taking back what is ours. What you posted are the left talking points even down to race. Fk dude, don’t you have your own opinions?
Well, I do love irony from obedient Trumpsters.

Issues you agree with, and what is actually happening, are two different things. I guess you don't understand that.

If you can't understand something that elementary, there's nothing else I can say.
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You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Well, the tech-stealing problem is wider and deeper than the location of our businesses. When they steal our tech, they dilute its global value, and that's a direct financial assault on our businesses. I can see a President defending our businesses and trying to stop this, but (a) I don't know how the hell this can be fixed when they're just not going to play fair, and (b) the only way Trump knows to address a problem is to beat on it with a club.

So the tariff situation can be "fixed", but I don't know what to do about tech theft overall.
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but my point was, that if the tech problem can't be fixed for the tech industry,

THEN THEY can make the decision to move... our gvt did not work their deals with manufacturing over there... they did... and if the deal isn't good for them, like all other businesses, then they move on.

And if the Farmers selling to China, like their dealings with expanding their products to China and trust them, then they continue to do business with them or the Shoe Industry feels it is worth doing business in China and manufacturing their shoes in China, then they stay....etc. Designer Brands, the ones at the very top of the industry in shoes, have chosen NOT to make their shoes in China and have stayed in Italy and Spain because they do not want their design ideas stolen by the Chinese at least for one season.... after that first season, they expect to see knock offs of their prduct by all the moderate level shoe vendors, the following season.... these moderate vendors of shoes, are fine with China....

So each business or industry should be responsible for themselves and the risks they take, doing business outside of the USA....? They can always bring their manufacturing back to the USA.... yes, at a price.... But how much is priced in to the product made in China, to cover the losses of Tech theft?
Well, who knows what the hell Trump is expecting. He was probably just emoting like an angry child, as usual.

Whether it's tech or traditional manufacturing, we're there for one reason: Labor cost. So unless we find a comparable replacement, immediately, we remain over a barrel. The knockoffs are also an issue, to a lesser degree than tech.

What the hell are you doing, trying make sense of this??? :laugh:
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I was just thinking out loud! :D

Yes, cheap labor is why we are there in China, but the tech industry has taken that cheap labor and expects the rest of the US with its govt, to bail them out of their tech theft problem.... when it is THEIR problem... labor is so cheap, they add in the cost of their losses due to theft tech, and the widgets are still at a better/lower cost than manufacturing elsewhere.... still more profit in their pockets than say producing in Japan or the USA where proprietary technologies are safer etc

if it was not cheaper and they did not make more profit by being there, even with their technology theft, they would not be there... imho.

Our gvt should not be telling them to leave, our gvt should not be fighting their fights either, again, imo.
How is it their problem when obammy and Clinton and bush imposed taxes and regulations on them that China doesn’t have to comply with? Explain how that’s their problem?
huh? Link?

IF tech started closing production there in China one by one, closing factories... going elsewhere, diversifying their production countries...

the Chinese would learn right quick, that THEY better handle their tech theft.

the businesses have A LOT of power they can use.... MORE than any gvt regulation or hammer use, imo.
Free trade is the war. China will not allow it. Every president since Nixon has handed our jobs to China. That’s a fact. With obammy regs more went and went and trump said enough. Drop the regs and drop taxes and boom the kooks on the left going Berserk
 
my first choice would be Central and South America:

That sure would solve a lot of our refugee problems!!!

Shoe industry as well... we are in Brazil and Mexico for sandal huaraches, but spreading to all South American countries and taking some of that China shoe industry to South America would solve a multitude of sins...

yes, it would take some time.... but it would be a win, win, in the end.
 
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my first choice would be Central and South America:

That sure would solve a lot of our refugee problems!!!

Shoe industry as well... we are in Brazil and Mexico for sandal huaraches, but spreading to all South American countries and taking some of that China shoe industry to south America would solve a multitude of sins...

yes, it would take some time.... but it would be a win, win, in the end.
Yep, I'd love to see that happen. Unfortunately, it would probably require some collaboration from our elected "leaders", and that's currently not allowed.
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That we agree with his economic position, immigration, the trade and taking back what is ours. What you posted are the left talking points even down to race. Fk dude, don’t you have your own opinions?
Well, I do love irony from obedient Trumpsters.

Issues you agree with, and what is actually happening, are two different things. I guess you don't understand that.

If you can't understand something that elementary, there's nothing else I can say.
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You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it wasn’t needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
 
Well, I do love irony from obedient Trumpsters.

Issues you agree with, and what is actually happening, are two different things. I guess you don't understand that.

If you can't understand something that elementary, there's nothing else I can say.
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You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it was needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
I'm merely pointing out where we are. The Fed wanted to increase interest rates so it would have downside room when the economy cycled down. It has to do that.

Trump is not a victim. Giving him all the credit for the good stuff and blaming everyone else for the bad stuff is transparent, tedious and silly.
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You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it was needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
I'm merely pointing out where we are. The Fed wanted to increase interest rates so it would have downside room when the economy cycled down. It has to do that.

Trump is not a victim. Giving him all the credit for the good stuff and blaming everyone else for the bad stuff is transparent, tedious and silly.
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Your right, Trump isn't a victim, its the American people who are.


The Lame Stream Media doesn't really hate Trump as much as they hate the Deplorables, the people who support the Presidency.

When they engage in pointless, endless witch hunts, that reduces the President's effectiveness.
 
You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it was needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
I'm merely pointing out where we are. The Fed wanted to increase interest rates so it would have downside room when the economy cycled down. It has to do that.

Trump is not a victim. Giving him all the credit for the good stuff and blaming everyone else for the bad stuff is transparent, tedious and silly.
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Nope, every economist said that increase was not needed. They brought it back down because they were wrong. There were no inflation signs at all. They were all deflation signs, still are. Maybe you’re too close and not objective to other views
 
Well, I do love irony from obedient Trumpsters.

Issues you agree with, and what is actually happening, are two different things. I guess you don't understand that.

If you can't understand something that elementary, there's nothing else I can say.
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You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it wasn’t needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
He's a wanna be King, he is NOT a Leader.

Leaders take advice from their advisors, they don't fire them so they can put in simply yes men.

Trump is in, WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over his head, and has no idea what to do about it, because he won't rely on those who have more expertise than he ever could... he's woefully unfit for the job.... and proving it daily, to those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear.
 
Not that it really matters to some, but we're not really in a good place at the moment. Things could turn, and most of us continue to hope for the best. But, as of early morning, August 24, here we are:

The Economy
While the unemployment figures look very good on their face, they are clearly not translating to growth, especially at the cost of the exploding deficit that temporarily goosed the economy. GDP is currently at 2.1%, but we can certainly remain hopeful that it will reverse course and increase. There have been spotty signs that growth-push inflation may be ticking up, but the trade war is clearly effecting sentiment (not to mention data) at a terribly delicate moment. Right now, this is a decent economy, at best, with consumers lacking the resources to push it and their household debt above 2008 levels.

Trade With China
Our President doesn't appear to understand that China is paying attention. They realize quite well that he's trying to bully them into a trade deal, like an eight-year old boy trying to bully another child out of their lunch at the playground. Meanwhile, Trump exhibits zero (0) understanding of the fact that China can theoretically out-wait us here, since they don't have those pesky elections to worry about all that much if the populace gets pissed off. While anything is certainly possible, it's tough to imagine China making any long term commitments until after they see who they're dealing with in January of 2021.

International Relations
Our President has not only isolated himself and his country from the rest of the world with his actions, but also with his petulant behaviors. Even for those of us who have done all we can to lower our standards and expectations of his child-like behavior, the thought of this goofy, pointless dust-up with Denmark (Denmark!) makes us wonder if this man can get along with anyone outside his base. Meanwhile, the crazy fat kid in North Korea is shooting off rockets like he's in charge of the Fourth of July celebration at the park. Like China, the world is clearly looking ahead, with hope, to November 2020.

The Wall
Trump's signature, paranoid, shallow, hyper-simplistic election issue piece isn't exactly flying up with checks to pay for it coming in from Mexico. Even with the White House, House and Senate, this President wasn't able to do much more than slap up a few new two by fours to fix some areas of our existing wall. Any completely "new" wall is spotty at best, and now he's ready to steal cash from one place to placate his base with a few miles of a much less Trumpish wall here and there. Gee, great, so much for that idea. I guess "Build! The! Wall!" could still serve as a standby rally chant when needed.

Race
Well, examining this topic is most likely a waste of time here, since there are many on this board who are telling us that racism no longer exists, or it's fake news, or that if you don't show up to work wearing a white hood you can't be a racist. What a disaster. And minorities are supposed to ignore all of it, because the unemployment rate is down at the moment. While the sycophants continue to run interference for the President Who Doesn't Know Who David Duke is, the rest of the country and the rest of the world are simply not buying the bullshit. But it sure sounds good on talk radio.

The silver lining? By far the most "successful" component of the Trump years will probably turn out to be the courts. The SC is in good shape for them, and they now have the added bonus of hoping that Ruth is quickly ravaged by cancer and dies soon. Ditto (no pun intended) for the lower courts, the nominations of which don't make much news but sure look like Sean Hannity picked 'em.

Could the economy turn back up? Yes, definitely, hopefully, but some kind of GOOD trade deal with China is now pretty much mandatory for that to happen. The Courts are the Courts. They'll probably be able to gather enough Lego™ blocks to build enough of a wall somewhere to keep talk radio and the base happy. International Relations? Race Relations? Pffffft. Who cares. Fake news.
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"At this moment"???? Try ever since November 8, 2016.
 
You might not like it, but its a two party system.

Does President Trump have all of the answers? Of course not.

But the alternative is a dim bulb like Sleepy Joe or Mayor Petey who knows a whole lot less and whose plan is the New Green Deal written by a bartender in the Bronx.

I don't see the Democrat Plan as doing anything but destroying the US economy, especially among minorities and those in Flyover country.
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it wasn’t needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
He's a wanna be King, he is NOT a Leader.

Leaders take advice from their advisors, they don't fire them so they can put in simply yes men.

Trump is in, WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over his head, and has no idea what to do about it, because he won't rely on those who have more expertise than he ever could... he's woefully unfit for the job.... and proving it daily, to those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear.

Notice the White House daily briefing doesn't happen anymore and hasn't for months.
It's been replaced by Trump himself, in the driveway or WH lawn on his way to Marine One.

It's like Bill Maher said last night: the only difference between a cranky, demented old man standing on his lawn with a garden hose and shouting at people is the suit. Trump wears a suit instead of what he really should be wearing: a bathrobe.

All of his WH appointments are "Acting...." He likes keeping people in limbo. Only insufferable sycophants like Barr and Pompeo get the actual full title.

He has no idea what the fuck he's doing with China and the trade war, immigration, health care or anything else. He's just winging it, buying time and feeding manure to the MAGA mushrooms.
 
I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it was needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
I'm merely pointing out where we are. The Fed wanted to increase interest rates so it would have downside room when the economy cycled down. It has to do that.

Trump is not a victim. Giving him all the credit for the good stuff and blaming everyone else for the bad stuff is transparent, tedious and silly.
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Nope, every economist said that increase was not needed. They brought it back down because they were wrong. There were no inflation signs at all. They were all deflation signs, still are. Maybe you’re too close and not objective to other views
That just isn't true. There were arguments in both directions from economists, and yes, I definitely wanted to punch Janet Yellen in the nose for constantly talking about raising rates. But they stopped, and Powell thrilled the market when he adopted a dovish approach. What neither the economy nor markets liked was this trade war, just as things were heating up.

On March 1, 2018, Trump announced tariffs and steel and aluminum, and the market freaked. Since then, nearly 19 months, the market is up a total of 5.86% and bond yields have crashed, reflecting the concern of markets on the effect of tariffs on the economy. That was his choice, but looking at GDP since then, it looks like markets were right.
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I just made a few points, with specifics. No one has refuted them.

I also expressed hope that things will improve, with specifics. And they might.

So we'll see.
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No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it wasn’t needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
He's a wanna be King, he is NOT a Leader.

Leaders take advice from their advisors, they don't fire them so they can put in simply yes men.

Trump is in, WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY over his head, and has no idea what to do about it, because he won't rely on those who have more expertise than he ever could... he's woefully unfit for the job.... and proving it daily, to those who have eyes to see, and ears to hear.

Notice the White House daily briefing doesn't happen anymore and hasn't for months.
It's been replaced by Trump himself, in the driveway or WH lawn on his way to Marine One.

It's like Bill Maher said last night: the only difference between a cranky, demented old man standing on his lawn with a garden hose and shouting at people is the suit. Trump wears a suit instead of what he really should be wearing: a bathrobe.

All of his WH appointments are "Acting...." He likes keeping people in limbo. Only insufferable sycophants like Barr and Pompeo get the actual full title.

He has no idea what the fuck he's doing with China and the trade war, immigration, health care or anything else. He's just winging it, buying time and feeding manure to the MAGA mushrooms.



The reason why there are so many "acting" members of the Trump Administration is that the libs refuse to move them right through and try to block them from being confirmed. If the GOP hadn't retained the Senate in 2018, they'd all be "acting" by now.

Although there are also a lot of vacancies in the administration. A lot of departments are top heavy, and leaving positions unfilled makes things run smoother.
 
No you didn’t, you posted a bunch of talking points with nothing but conjecture. Is unemployment lowest in 60 years yes or no? Let’s start there
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it was needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
I'm merely pointing out where we are. The Fed wanted to increase interest rates so it would have downside room when the economy cycled down. It has to do that.

Trump is not a victim. Giving him all the credit for the good stuff and blaming everyone else for the bad stuff is transparent, tedious and silly.
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Nope, every economist said that increase was not needed. They brought it back down because they were wrong. There were no inflation signs at all. They were all deflation signs, still are. Maybe you’re too close and not objective to other views
That just isn't true. There were arguments in both directions from economists, and yes, I definitely wanted to punch Janet Yellen in the nose for constantly talking about raising rates. But they stopped, and Powell thrilled the market when he adopted a dovish approach. What neither the economy nor markets liked was this trade war, just as things were heating up.

On March 1, 2018, Trump announced tariffs and steel and aluminum, and the market freaked. Since then, nearly 19 months, the market is up a total of 5.86% and bond yields have crashed, reflecting the concern of markets on the effect of tariffs on the economy. That was his choice, but looking at GDP since then, it looks like markets were right.
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"On March 1, 2018, Trump announced tariffs and steel and aluminum, and the market freaked."""

And on March 6, Trump's senior economic advisor, Gary Cohn, resigned. I knew then we were in for trouble.
Cohn was vehemently against Trump starting a trade war with no game plan or strategy. Just petulance.
Trump flies by the seat of his size 46 waist pants.
 
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's not driving either growth or inflation. Treasury yields have crashed. The Fed is having to drop rates to deal with weakness. Consumer and corporate debt are getting high. Markets are nervous and expecting further cuts, like 50bps.

This is my profession. If you want to try this, you'll have to do better than talk radio platitudes and simplistic data.

Go ahead.
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Why do you suppose that is? He’s having to do it on his own, no gop no dem wanting the success. Feds raised interest rates for no reason! Fact that curbed growth when it was needed And you’re bitching at trump. Again two words
I'm merely pointing out where we are. The Fed wanted to increase interest rates so it would have downside room when the economy cycled down. It has to do that.

Trump is not a victim. Giving him all the credit for the good stuff and blaming everyone else for the bad stuff is transparent, tedious and silly.
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Nope, every economist said that increase was not needed. They brought it back down because they were wrong. There were no inflation signs at all. They were all deflation signs, still are. Maybe you’re too close and not objective to other views
That just isn't true. There were arguments in both directions from economists, and yes, I definitely wanted to punch Janet Yellen in the nose for constantly talking about raising rates. But they stopped, and Powell thrilled the market when he adopted a dovish approach. What neither the economy nor markets liked was this trade war, just as things were heating up.

On March 1, 2018, Trump announced tariffs and steel and aluminum, and the market freaked. Since then, nearly 19 months, the market is up a total of 5.86% and bond yields have crashed, reflecting the concern of markets on the effect of tariffs on the economy. That was his choice, but looking at GDP since then, it looks like markets were right.
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"On March 1, 2018, Trump announced tariffs and steel and aluminum, and the market freaked."""

And on March 6, Trump's senior economic advisor, Gary Cohn, resigned. I knew then we were in for trouble.
Cohn was vehemently against Trump starting a trade war with no game plan or strategy. Just petulance.
Trump flies by the seat of his size 46 waist pants.

This week, President Xi of Red China announce tariffs against American manufacturers.

Not a whisper, not a syllable from the media
 
Come on guys, jeezus, let's at least try to stick with reality here.

The reality is Trump is a flawed man and is a mess but some of the things you wrote about, well one I believe is something he is correct on.

I will say it again I am not a Trump fanboy but he has not destroyed the country or world like many have believed he would and I am one that believed he would...

We now live in a nation where the federal authorities had to be ordered by a judge to provide toothbrushes to children in their custody. They didn’t want to give kids a way to brush their teeth.

Judges Rule Detained Migrant Children Entitled to Soap, Toothpaste

Really, let that sink in. You support a man who thinks that kids shouldn’t be entitled to soap and toothpaste while in custody of our federal authorities.

And now, it has come out that the same kids will not get the flu shot while in your blob’s care and custody.

3 migrant children have died from flu in custody, but US won't provide vaccines

So as more kids are put into the cage…some may have the flu…those already there are now susceptible to catching it, spreading it, dying from it.

And you’re going to vote for this piece of shit?
You should be more specific. They didn't just die of flu and if they are given vaccines and die or are injured from the vaccines due to their already compromised health before they were brought into the country illegally there is also a liability in that.

Autopsy Offers Jarring New Details About the Death of a 16-Year-Old Guatemalan Boy
 
Here’s a way to look at at it. If the economy was as ebullient as the President claims than his approval ratings would be higher. That means either people do not agree with his POV or there is another factor in play keeping his ratings lower.
 

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