As predicted - Study shows Seattle $15 min wage result is less hours and 5000 less jobs

[The Derp]

This is classic liberal logic, FORCE their half baked ideas on the people and assume their won't be any negative consequences. Of course this always blows up in their face so liberals will now defend their failure by stating they care and deflect with some 'hate the rich' talking points. Liberals, possibly the dumbest people on planet Earth.

Talk about half-baked! The idea that the wealthy will trickle-down tax cuts is the biggest half-baked idea in history.

 

[ColonelAngus]

A rise in the price of beef and plastic will impact hiring and jobs in all businesses as well. Then the cost is absorbed over time and hiring goes back to normal. The same with the cost of labor, it is just another commodity like beef or electricity. Cost goes up, companies become cautious and restrain spending, costs are absorbed over time and companies relax their spending.

Conservatives seem to not view labor as a cost of business. They view it as slaves doing what they are told and grovelling for the scraps they get. A viewpoint that fits well, in 1834.

Such fucking bullshit nonsense.

Jesus Christ, I hope you are trying to be provocative, because if you are not, you are really really fucking clueless.

 

[The Derp]

[If there is a forced wage increase without a commensurate increase in revenue, jobs and/or hours will be cut.

None of the studies are peer-reviewed, and one of the studies seems to suggest that minimum wage jobs were replaced with better paying jobs. Don't you want better-paying jobs? Why do you only want minimum wage jobs?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Higher minimum wage naturally would cause more businesses to move to Seattle which then would cause a spike in more jobs.Up is down, can't you see that?

Seattle's unemployment rate is nearly a full point lower than it was when the MW increase started.

Well then it's all good. Maybe this will cause more burger flippers to move to Seattle

 

[The Derp]

Well then it's all good. Maybe this will cause more burger flippers to move to Seattle

So instead of thoughtfully replying to my post, you choose to go the hysterical, melodramatic route. Fine. Be a drama queen.

 

[The Derp]

Well then it's all good. Maybe this will cause more burger flippers to move to Seattle

YOU ALL SAID that raising the MW would kill jobs. THAT ISN'T TRUE, IS IT? So instead of reconciling your flawed beliefs, you double down on the ignorant arrogance? Pathetic.

 

[hadit]

1. Would any hypothetical increase match the doubling in labor costs? Give us real life percentages.

You want me to give you real-life percentages in a hypothetical? How is that supposed to work? Do you even understand the logical fallacy you are trying to argue? Do you know how it's a logical fallacy? There is no magic formula that translates increased wages to increased revenues, but if you're increasing wages, you are increasing spending, which increases demand, which increases labor, which increases wages.

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We've raised the MW before. Surely you can find real life numbers. How much increased revenue did small businesses see after MW increases?

2. Why do you assume people who have lost their jobs because their labor price went up are going to continue eating out at the same rate?

So right away, you are working from the false premise that raising the MW kills jobs. IT DOESN'T. We have empirical data from 2014 from 13 states, as well as the Seattle minimum wage hike that started in 2015. In all cases, unemployment didn't go up, and the rate of job growth was faster than states that didn't raise their MW. So I'm wondering why you continue to argue dogma and ignore the empirical evidence?

You can't double a company's labor costs and expect no jobs to be lost. Notice there are fewer people behind the counter at McDonalds lately?

 

[ColonelAngus]

[If there is a forced wage increase without a commensurate increase in revenue, jobs and/or hours will be cut.

None of the studies are peer-reviewed, and one of the studies seems to suggest that minimum wage jobs were replaced with better paying jobs. Don't you want better-paying jobs? Why do you only want minimum wage jobs?

Plus, UDUB fucking sucks. They got their asses kicked by Bama in the Peach Bowl. Any study by them must be bullshit.

 

[The Derp]

We've raised the MW before. Surely you can find real life numbers. How much increased revenue did small businesses see after MW increases?

Not even sure where or how you can find this info, but I'm open to you doing that work. We know that increasing wages leads to increased revenue because in the states that raised their MWs in 2014, they saw faster rates of job growth than the states that didn't raise their MW. Which meant demand increased, which meant businesses had to expand to meet that demand (hence, declining unemployment rate). The last time the federal MW was raised was in 2008. Since then, a handful of states and municipalities have raised their MW. In every case, they saw job growth, not job loss. So your main argument; that raising the MW kills jobs, isn't supported in any empirical evidence. Which is why you argue purely in hypothetical and theory...those are the only two ways you can control the circumstances in order to produce the conclusion you want and believe, because the real-world empirical evidence doesn't.

You can't double a company's labor costs and expect no jobs to be lost. Notice there are fewer people behind the counter at McDonalds lately?

Again, you argue in hypothetical and theory, and not in reality. That's all you people can do these days, is argue in theory because the real-world data doesn't support you. So you just ignore it completely because of your ego. Get over yourself.

 

[The Derp]

Plus, UDUB fucking sucks. They got their asses kicked by Bama in the Peach Bowl. Any study by them must be bullshit.

Ha! Maybe. What's weird is that Conservatives don't seem to understand the very thing they are trying to hold up as evidence in support of their position. One of the very studies in that article says that the MW jobs were replaced by higher-paying jobs. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The MW is rising. They'll feel the hit.

They'll also see an increase in revenues because of increased consumption that comes from increased wages.

Nah...it'll be just like they did not get a raise at all since businesses will charge more for their products to make up the difference.

"Angela Stowell, an owner and the chief executive of Ethan Stowell Restaurants, said the chain had not reduced hiring, but it had raised some menu prices and added a service fee. CreditDavid Ryder for The New York Time"

 

[NYcarbineer]

The study left out large employers. Tell us why.

Why do you ask for proof you will just deny as soon as you see it?

"...critics of the research pointed out what they saw as serious shortcomings. In particular, to avoid confusing establishments that were subject to the minimum with those that were not, the authors did not include large employers with locations both inside and outside of Seattle in their calculations. Skeptics argued that omission could explain the unusual results..."

Analysis | A ‘very credible’ new study on Seattle’s $15 minimum wage has bad news for liberals

 

[The Derp]

Nah...it'll be just like they did not get a raise at all since businesses will charge more for their products to make up the difference.

Yeah, that isn't true either. In fact, a year into Seattle's MW hike specifically, they didn't see an increase in price that corresponded with the wage increase. So this Conservative conventional wisdom is entirely false.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Nah...it'll be just like they did not get a raise at all since businesses will charge more for their products to make up the difference.

Yeah, that isn't true either. In fact, a year into Seattle's MW hike specifically, they didn't see an increase in price that corresponded with the wage increase. So this Conservative conventional wisdom is entirely false.

So you totally ignored the part where the restaurant owner said she raised prices and added a service charge.

Willfully blind....

 

[miketx]

The study left out large employers. Tell us why.

Why do you ask for proof you will just deny as soon as you see it?

"...critics of the research pointed out what they saw as serious shortcomings. In particular, to avoid confusing establishments that were subject to the minimum with those that were not, the authors did not include large employers with locations both inside and outside of Seattle in their calculations. Skeptics argued that omission could explain the unusual results..."

Analysis | A ‘very credible’ new study on Seattle’s $15 minimum wage has bad news for liberals

You still haven't said why you ask for proof you know you will deny.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The study left out large employers. Tell us why.

Why do you ask for proof you will just deny as soon as you see it?

"...critics of the research pointed out what they saw as serious shortcomings. In particular, to avoid confusing establishments that were subject to the minimum with those that were not, the authors did not include large employers with locations both inside and outside of Seattle in their calculations. Skeptics argued that omission could explain the unusual results..."

Analysis | A ‘very credible’ new study on Seattle’s $15 minimum wage has bad news for liberals

You still haven't said why you ask for proof you know you will deny.

Quit accusing me of being you.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Plus, UDUB fucking sucks. They got their asses kicked by Bama in the Peach Bowl. Any study by them must be bullshit.

Ha! Maybe. What's weird is that Conservatives don't seem to understand the very thing they are trying to hold up as evidence in support of their position. One of the very studies in that article says that the MW jobs were replaced by higher-paying jobs. Isn't that a good thing?

Not if you need someone to make your hamburgers.

Look at San Fran. They can't staff retail storefronts.

You seem to know business well.

If you own a cafe in Seattle, and your labor costs go up by 30% overnight, what would you specifically do to pay for those additional labor costs?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nah...it'll be just like they did not get a raise at all since businesses will charge more for their products to make up the difference.

Yeah, that isn't true either. In fact, a year into Seattle's MW hike specifically, they didn't see an increase in price that corresponded with the wage increase. So this Conservative conventional wisdom is entirely false.

So you totally ignored the part where the restaurant owner said she raised prices and added a service charge.

Willfully blind....

So what? Is it that important to you that people work for shit wages so you can save 50 cents on a crappy burger?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Plus, UDUB fucking sucks. They got their asses kicked by Bama in the Peach Bowl. Any study by them must be bullshit.

Ha! Maybe. What's weird is that Conservatives don't seem to understand the very thing they are trying to hold up as evidence in support of their position. One of the very studies in that article says that the MW jobs were replaced by higher-paying jobs. Isn't that a good thing?

Not if you need someone to make your hamburgers.

Look at San Fran. They can't staff retail storefronts.

You seem to know business well.

If you own a cafe in Seattle, and your labor costs go up by 30% overnight, what would you specifically do to pay for those additional labor costs?

Why not just bring back slavery and put everything on the Dollar Menu?

 

[IsaacNewton]

A rise in the price of beef and plastic will impact hiring and jobs in all businesses as well. Then the cost is absorbed over time and hiring goes back to normal. The same with the cost of labor, it is just another commodity like beef or electricity. Cost goes up, companies become cautious and restrain spending, costs are absorbed over time and companies relax their spending.

Conservatives seem to not view labor as a cost of business. They view it as slaves doing what they are told and grovelling for the scraps they get. A viewpoint that fits well, in 1834.

Such fucking bullshit nonsense.

Jesus Christ, I hope you are trying to be provocative, because if you are not, you are really really fucking clueless.

Yes tell us how labor is not a commodity and a cost of business like every other commodity or service a business pays for. You're good at saying 'you're just a poopy face'. What else can you do Barney.