Artic Melting...Not Just a Puddle Under Your Fridge

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    Unfortunately none of you fragile ecosystem, global warming nay-sayers won't be around to eat your words when the shit actually hits the fan...but are you prepared to have the death of the Polar Bear, the cute, cuddly Polar Bear, on your conscience?!?!


    http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/11/08/globalwarming.reut/index.html

    OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Global warming is heating the Arctic almost twice as fast as the rest of the planet in a thaw that threatens millions of livelihoods and could wipe out polar bears by 2100, an eight-nation report said on Monday.

    The biggest survey to date of the Arctic climate, by 250 scientists, said the accelerating melt could be a foretaste of wider disruptions from a build-up of human emissions of heat-trapping gases in the earth's atmosphere.

    The "Arctic climate is now warming rapidly and much larger changes are projected," according to the Arctic Climate Impact Assessment (ACIA), funded by the United States, Canada, Russia, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Finland.

    Arctic temperatures are rising at almost twice the global average and could leap 4-7 Celsius (7-13 Fahrenheit) by 2100, roughly twice the global average projected by U.N. reports. Siberia and Alaska have already warmed by 2-3 C since the 1950s.

    Possible benefits like more productive fisheries, easier access to oil and gas deposits or trans-Arctic shipping routes would be outweighed by threats to indigenous peoples and the habitats of animals and plants.

    Sea ice around the North Pole, for instance, could almost disappear in summer by the end of the century. The extent of the ice has already shrunk by 15-20 percent in the past 30 years.

    "Polar bears are unlikely to survive as a species if there is an almost complete loss of summer sea-ice cover," the report said. On land, creatures like lemmings, caribou, reindeer and snowy owls are being squeezed north into a narrower range.
     
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    Hmmm for the most part, polar bears are not "cuddly". In fact, I hear they are pretty mean critters. As for the rest of it...what is your solution? maybe we all sell our cars (and I mean internationally!) shut down all the factories, quit heating our homes, etc. Of course, every nation wants every other nation to do just that meanwhile excluding themselves from having to take any action.
     
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    Did you know that Polar Bears are the only mammals that naturally hunt human beings?
     
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    So I have heard; doesn't that make them next in the war on terror? If not next, then SOON!
     
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    Dun dun DUUUUN!!! :terror:
     
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    are extremely simple, and I believe that future generations will look back on the current Republican denial of global warming evidence with deep regret:

    1. Raised the economy standards for cars. Remember when car makers thought catalytic converters were too expensive, along with seat belts, tempered glass, and any mpg>15?

    2. Close the ridiculous loophole that exempts SUVs from emission standards.

    3. Invest in getting us off fossil fuels. The New York Times estimated that $50 billion per year over 50 years would limit global warming to 2-3 degrees instead of the 6-10 currently predicted.

    Who likes these ideas? Most Americans. Who doesn't? Oil and auto companies, and therefore President Bush & Co. It's beyond my why anyone who doesn't work for an oil or car company would be pleased with Bush's current approach on these issues.

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    1. I suspect the ridiculous fluctuations in oil prices will help drive that effort. Hybrid autos are becoming ever more popular and I suspect technologies in that arena will mature more quickly now.

    2. I wonder just how much the SUV standards differ from the rest of the autos.

    3. Investment in alternate energy technologies, while sounding like a relatively simple solution, is, in and of itself, not the only answer. There needs to be a concerted effort on the part of the international community to share technologies in that area. The Japanese seem to have the leading edge at the moment.

    As for the rest of your post, blaming everything on Bush wont help anything. There have been Democratic Presidents in the recent past who have done less. There is no question that auto manufacturer and oil companies have a vested interest in keeping the petroleum based products around.
     
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    You know maybe Washington will be more tropical then.
     
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    how much of "global warming" do you, NE, contribute to the natural fluctuations in the earth's atmosphere? Historical review clearly shows that there are time of warming and cooling that goes in cycles. Do you believe that we can reverse a natural cycle such as that? This is a serious question. Where are we in the natural cycle? From what I understand, we are in a natural warming cycle that can be traced back thousands of years.
     
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    Aren't these the same group of scientists who think the Earth has been around for Billions of Years?
     

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