Armed security would have stopped transgender school shooter….

[2aguy]

No, asslicker, you are lying.
I never said 'military weapon" so you are in fact a liar.

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Not a military style you say?

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Both the images and the way you clowns dress when you're playing soldier say you're lying again.

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You said "military style." you lying shit......

You say "military style," to lie to uninformed people who only hear "military," and think that is what you are saying. You know this, and are lying........

 

[M14 Shooter]

That LBE wont stop .308, so...

 

[Blues Man]

You're speaking for the gun lobby.
Answer up.

I am?

Where did I ever say I was speaking for anyone but me?

Please quote the post where I said anything about appointing myself the spokesperson of the gun lobby.

 

[Dadoalex]

You said "military style." you lying shit......

You say "military style," to lie to uninformed people who only hear "military," and think that is what you are saying. You know this, and are lying........

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I'm so sorry you confused by the English language.
Perhaps dropping out in the 3rd grade wasn't such a good idea.
Maybe this can help.

 

[Dadoalex]

I am?

Where did I ever say I was speaking for anyone but me?

Please quote the post where I said anything about appointing myself the spokesperson of the gun lobby.

Mouthing NRA propaganda, lies, is speaking for the NRA.
You just do it for free.

 

[Blues Man]

Mouthing NRA propaganda, lies, is speaking for the NRA.
You just do it for free.

No I'm not.

I am speaking for myself.

And What lies did I tell exactly?

Please quote the posts

 

[2aguy]

No I'm not.

I am speaking for myself.

And What lies did I tell exactly?

Please quote the posts

That idiot is a left wing extremist......dishonest as the day is long......

 

[Dadoalex]

No I'm not.

I am speaking for myself.

And What lies did I tell exactly?

Please quote the posts

Mass shootings only account for about 1% of all murders and most mass shooting events are done with handguns.

NRA Propaganda.

 

[Captain Caveman]

In war yes in civilian life not so much.

In fact more people are killed with knives, and bare hands every single year than are killed with all types of rifles combined.

So what you're saying is, you don't need a rifle

 

[Blues Man]

NRA Propaganda.

Prove it wrong then.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

The FBI collects data on “active shooter incidents,” which it defines as “one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.” Using the FBI’s definition, 103 people – excluding the shooters – died in such incidents in 2021.

in 2021 there were 21000 murders committed with guns and 26000 in total

The FBI says 103 died in mass shootings

Do the math.

And you'll notice that there is not a single piece of data from the NRA in this post.

 

[Blues Man]

So what you're saying is, you don't need a rifle

What' I'm saying is that people don't use rifles to kill thousands of people every year. And whether I need a rifle or not is none of your fucking business is it?

 

[Dadoalex]

Prove it wrong then.

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record, according to the latest available statistics from the CDC.

www.pewresearch.org

The FBI collects data on “active shooter incidents,” which it defines as “one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.” Using the FBI’s definition, 103 people – excluding the shooters – died in such incidents in 2021.

in 2021 there were 21000 murders committed with guns and 26000 in total

The FBI says 103 died in mass shootings

Do the math.

And you'll notice that there is not a single piece of data from the NRA in this post.

Yeah...
Figures don't lie but NRA liars do figure.

 

[Blues Man]

Yeah...
Figures don't lie but NRA liars do figure.

And I am not a member of the NRA.

You still haven't shown that anything I have said is a lie so please quote the posts where you claim I have lied.

 

[Dadoalex]

And I am not a member of the NRA.

You still haven't shown that anything I have said is a lie so please quote the posts where you claim I have lied.

I said you were mouthing NRA propaganda. NRA lies.
Never said you were a member.
But mouthing NRA propaganda is mouthing NRA lies.

If you don't like being called on it, don't do it.

 

[Blues Man]

I said you were mouthing NRA propaganda. NRA lies.
Never said you were a member.
But mouthing NRA propaganda is mouthing NRA lies.

If you don't like being called on it, don't do it.

Funny how none of the data I linked was from the NRA and yet you call it propaganda and you haven't actually disproven any of it.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What' I'm saying is that people don't use rifles to kill thousands of people every year. And whether I need a rifle or not is none of your fucking business is it?

But you want a rifle to shoot others, eg.. burglars. That's the worst gun owner to have, or in American speak, a bad guy. Gun defence is a fallacy, but a stupid fallacy that you cling onto for stupid sake. That's why you guys suffer high gun injury's and deaths. And you're a prime example of a candidate that adds to those stats.

 

[2aguy]

But you want a rifle to shoot others, eg.. burglars. That's the worst gun owner to have, or in American speak, a bad guy. Gun defence is a fallacy, but a stupid fallacy that you cling onto for stupid sake. That's why you guys suffer high gun injury's and deaths. And you're a prime example of a candidate that adds to those stats.

You keep saying that gun self defense is a fallacy, and that is a lie. I have shown you research across decades that show gun self defense is common. Research from both government and private researchers, mainly anti-gun researchers who show gun self defense happens every day in this country.

You also never, ever, address the fact that after Europe began banning and confiscating guns, promising that this would make them safer, in the 1920s, in 1939, those same governments under socialist control began murdering between 15-20 million innocent men, women and children....over 1 million children.

15-20 million people disarmed and then murdered. In just 6 years.

Gun murder in the entire 247 year history of the United States? Around 2,470,000.

You have nothing to teach us about guns.

The Israeli government confiscated guns from their citizens on the same idea that they didn't need them.....then Oct. 7 happened.

You keep telling us that civilians don't need guns...but the people who are raped, robbed, murdered will tell you you are wrong.

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press

 

[2aguy]

But you want a rifle to shoot others, eg.. burglars. That's the worst gun owner to have, or in American speak, a bad guy. Gun defence is a fallacy, but a stupid fallacy that you cling onto for stupid sake. That's why you guys suffer high gun injury's and deaths. And you're a prime example of a candidate that adds to those stats.

If someone has broken into your home, why wouldn't you want a rifle to stop them?

When the hamas supporters in Britain decide to do an Oct. 7 in Britain, what will you do to stop them, since your police are now protecting them and don't carry guns?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Armed security would have stopped it like it did at:

Parkland High
The Pulse
at Uvalde

You know, places where armed security was present but didn't stop the shooter.

Take the guns away and the mass shootings almost disappear.

Nope, the shooters will simply buy guns from criminals. It's against the law to possess narcotics, but people seem to have no problem obtaining them at all. The same people who smuggle narcotics will smuggle guns. Create a black market and someone will fill it. Do you know the origin of the term cigarette boat to describe a fast motorboat? It originated in the Mediterranean Sea immediately post WWII when, I believe Italy, put large tariffs on cigarettes and criminals used fast, small boats to smuggle cigarettes. The profits from smuggled guns would far exceed those of cigarettes so there would be no problem finding criminals to fill the demand. Unless you can figure some way to strip all the criminals of their already illegal guns AND not only close the border entirely, but search every container coming into the USA, you will never be able to get rid of guns. The UK and Japan are islands, and they can't even stop the flow of guns into the hands of their criminals.

 

[Dadoalex]

Nope, the shooters will simply buy guns from criminals. It's against he law to possess narcotics, but people seem to have no problem obtaining them at all. The same people who smuggle narcotics will smuggle guns. Create a black market and someone will fill it. Do you know the origin of the term cigarette boat to describe a fast motorboat? It originated in the Mediterranean Sea immediately post WWII when, I believe Italy, put large tariffs on cigarettes and criminals used fast, small boats to smuggle cigarettes. The profits from smuggled guns would far exceed those of cigarettes so there would be no problem finding criminals to fill the demand. Unless you can figure some way to strip all the criminals of their already illegal guns AND not only close the border entirely, but search every container coming into the USA, you will never be able to get rid of guns. The UK and Japan are islands, and they can't even stop the flow of guns into the hands of their criminals.

Mass murderers rarely have any criminal background.
Bank robbers and drive by shooting rarely use military style weapons.

Try again.