CDZ Are Signs Stating that "It is OK to be White" Racist?

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Are signs stating it is OK to be white racist?

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    Every place I have been where people talk about white pride it has been the same people who turn out to be racist pigs. Maybe its a St Louis and Las Vegas thing.

    So, no, the sign itself and what it says is not evil. All my red flags get raised though.
     
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    Men build too many walls and not enough bridges.
    -- Joseph Fort Newton​

    Whether it's okay to be a white racist, or any other kind of bigot, is not, AFAIC, a matter of public opinion. It is a matter of what is soundly, cogently merited on ethical, moral, and intellectual bases. You know as well as I that popular opinion and what's true or ethically right rarely have anything to do with one another.

    Truly, I don't care whether 1M or 100M or 1B individuals think racism is okay. That they do just means that a lot of people are "messed up" in their heads and hearts. My set of principles call me to rigorously analyse the world in which I live, situations that come about in it, and so on, and, in turn, draw my own conclusions, particularly when the conclusions affect one's thinking about and behavior toward other individuals and groups thereof. (I think everyone has a duty to do that, yet I routinely see evidence that not everyone carries out that duty.) That doesn't mean the conclusions are "written in stone;" it means that barring the arrival of new information that materially alters the relevance of the body of information that led preponderantly to the initial conclusion at which one arrived via sound reasoning, the conclusion stands.

    It is not our differences that divide us. It is our inability to recognize, accept, and celebrate those differences.
    -- Audre Lorde, Our Dead Behind Us: Poems
     
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    No one has said only black lives matter.
     
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    This is the CDZ. Behave.
     
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    But you are begging the question; is it racist to assert that it is OK to be white?
     
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    Well you cannot say that ALL lives matter only that black lives matter. So it would seem to be implied.

    Every Time You Say "All Lives Matter" You Are Being an Accidental Racist | HuffPost
    The basic premise behind “All Lives Matter” = we should not highlight that black lives matter because all lives matter.

    As it turns out, you’re not wrong: all lives do matter. But the problem with this premise lies in what goes unaddressed in your line of thinking.

    See, Black Lives Matter is trying to highlight that there is demonstrable evidence that black lives matter less than white lives to the criminal justice system (and the American government as a whole).​

    So to disagree with the underlying premise that cops target black people or that, due to ethnic and economic factors we may have different outcomes among different ethnic groups( like more Phds among the Chinese immigrants than among Hmong immigrants) we can have more black imprisoned at higher rates without it being due to inherent racism in the justice system, to merely assert that is racist. To imply that by saying all lives matter and denying their underlying presumption is also therefore racist in their group oriented logic.


    Why ‘All Lives Matter’ Is Such a Perilous Phrase

    Those in the Black Lives Matter movement say black people are in immediate danger and need immediate attention, like the broken bone or house on fire.

    Saying “All Lives Matter” in response would suggest to them that all people are in equal danger, invalidating the specific concerns of black people.

    “You’re watering the house that’s not burning, but you’re choosing to leave the house that’s burning unattended,” said Allen Kwabena Frimpong, an organizer for the New York chapter of Black Lives Matter. “It’s irresponsible.”​

    No, not all houses need to be hosed down with water and any idiot firemen that did that would place the city under a lawsuit because unnecessary hosing of private property causes property damage. So it is a stupid analogy to begin with, but also ignores the implicit understanding in Reality that it is that Only houses on fire need to be hosed down anyway. Are BLM advocates saying that white people do not have a right to just treatment under our nations laws because we are not 'on fire'?

    One does not correct injustice in our legal system by treating people differently, you achieve justice by treating everyone equally no matter what the conditions are and then render the verdicts that are appropriate.

    So Mt Frimpong is wrong, to give special attention to black lives in our jurisprudence would be a disaster and not helping anything at all.


    This is what white people can do to support #BlackLivesMatter

    It is not up to Black Lives Matter, nor any movement led by and for communities of color, to make space for or articulate a vision for white people. The expectation that black leaders and movements should automatically do so is a subtle extension of the sort of white-centric entitlement that gives rise to the need for such movements in the first place. Then again, we haven’t exactly blazed a path to enlightenment and liberation so far on our own.​

    So we cannot reason with each other across racial and ethnic lines according to these racialist provocateurs.

    You can only communicate within your own race and ethnicity according to these race baiting Marxist shills.

    No doubt Dr Goebbels is laughing his ass off in Hell right now.
     
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    Except no one says “only black lives matter.” That’s a canard.
     
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    No, no one is that stupid.

    You just cannot say that all lives matter without these racists in BLM attacking you as a racist, lol.

    Thus only black lives matter, because only blacks houses are on fire is EXACTLY what they are implying.
     
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    Nope.

    The saying “black lives matter” arose from the situation in our society where white lives are valued and worthy of protection, but when a black person loses his/her life, especially at the hands of a police officer, they are blamed for their own demise a dozen different ways to Sunday.

    Would you feel less chapped about it if the slogan was “black lives matter, too”?
     
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    So to answer the original question, a sign reassuring Caucasians that “it’s ok to be white” is not any more racist than a slogan that says “black lives matter.”
     
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