Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites? Most Americans Say Yes

[IM2]

She's never upset.....and "we" is anyone rational and able to think logically who has been trying to knock some sense into your Mellon for the last couple of days.

Sure she was and I don't take advice or counsel from racists so you can just butt out of this portion of the conversation.

Hardly.


I am the model of seraphic calm.


You should look that up.

No you are a young ass japanese idiot whose parents got reparations.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I believe we've already established that you are a phony, attempting to claim benefits from issue that never applied to you....

.....sooooo.....why are you back?

Why are you upset? And who in the hell is "we"

She's never upset.....and "we" is anyone rational and able to think logically who has been trying to knock some sense into your Mellon for the last couple of days.

I don't believe it's a problem of 'sense,' muddy.....

It appears that some individuals have nothing in their own lives that they can point to with pride, so they make up an association with something or someone else as a demand for positive attention.

We have that here, in this thread.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So the courts are wrong, the juries were wrong, the EEOC is wrong and the only case anyone got right was New Haven Firefighter case in which the white firefighters prevailed? And you don't see why this makes you look a bit biased?

Can you see how easily you start calling me names, based on "subtle clues" calls into question the judgement of everyone that shares your viewpoint on this issue?

Subtle clues are not what people are supposed to be convicted on in this country. YOu need compelling evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Wrong. Reasonable doubt applies to criminal cases and it is said that the measure is 98%. The reason being if the government is going to take away a person's freedom and/or life then they want to be reasonably sure that the defendant actually committed the crime.

The EEOC's cases are civil and the threshold is a "preponderance of the evidence" which in layman terms means if you weigh the evidence from each side on a scale whichever side tips the scales prevails (51%).

Race Discrimination Based on Disparate Treatment

Race discrimination can arise as disparate treatment, where an employer intentionally treats employees of a particular race less favorably than employees of a different race. ***In Postal Service v. Aikens, the Supreme Court made clear that victims of race discrimination need not submit direct evidence of discriminatory intent. Rather, in acknowledging that such cases rarely involve “smoking gun” evidence, the Supreme Court held that circumstantial evidence can be used to prove the existence of unlawful motive in race discrimination cases:

The prohibitions against discrimination contained in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 reflect an important national policy. There will seldom be “eyewitness” testimony as to the employer’s mental processes. But none of this means that trial courts or reviewing courts should treat discrimination differently from other ultimate questions of fact.
​

I stand corrected.


But, again, the test was about fighting fires. Assuming that cultural bias or a corrupt grader is responsible, when the city showed such strong determination to promote black firefighters, is not reasonable.

Nor is calling me racist based on that statement.


Page after page, and you never FUCKING ASKED ME, why I thought the black firefighters scored poorly, you just started smearing me with what in our culture is a very serious slur.


With all due respect. That is a dick move.

.

Anyone white that says blacks we should be grateful to whites for freeing us from slavery is a racist. You said that, now stop lying and whining abut being called what you are

DId I say that? Or did I say that you should be grateful to the whites that freed you from slavery?

Here's a man who went even further in his view of the positive effect of the issue:

"In the early 1970s Muhammad Ali fought for the heavyweight title against George Foreman. The fight was held in the African nation of Zaire; it was insensitively called the "rumble in the jungle."

Ali won the fight, and upon returning to the United States, he was asked by a reporter, "Champ, what did you think of Africa?"

Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!" There is a characteristic mischievous pungency to Ali's remark, yet it also expresses a widely held sentiment. Ali recognizes that for all the horror of slavery, it was the transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom. The slaves were not better off—the boat Ali refers to brought the slaves through a horrific Middle Passage to a life of painful servitude—yet their descendants today, even if they won't admit it, are better off. Ali was honest enough to admit it."
Muhammad Ali - Wikiquote

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.[/QUOTE]



Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

 

[IM2]

There are no blacks here calling for any so called vigilante reverse discrimination.

 

[IM2]

I believe we've already established that you are a phony, attempting to claim benefits from issue that never applied to you....

.....sooooo.....why are you back?

Why are you upset? And who in the hell is "we"

She's never upset.....and "we" is anyone rational and able to think logically who has been trying to knock some sense into your Mellon for the last couple of days.

I don't believe it's a problem of 'sense,' muddy.....

It appears that some individuals have nothing in their own lives that they can point to with pride, so they make up an association with something or someone else as a demand for positive attention.

We have that here, in this thread.

You are an example of that.

 

[IM2]

Can you see how easily you start calling me names, based on "subtle clues" calls into question the judgement of everyone that shares your viewpoint on this issue?




Wrong. Reasonable doubt applies to criminal cases and it is said that the measure is 98%. The reason being if the government is going to take away a person's freedom and/or life then they want to be reasonably sure that the defendant actually committed the crime.

The EEOC's cases are civil and the threshold is a "preponderance of the evidence" which in layman terms means if you weigh the evidence from each side on a scale whichever side tips the scales prevails (51%).

Race Discrimination Based on Disparate Treatment

Race discrimination can arise as disparate treatment, where an employer intentionally treats employees of a particular race less favorably than employees of a different race. ***In Postal Service v. Aikens, the Supreme Court made clear that victims of race discrimination need not submit direct evidence of discriminatory intent. Rather, in acknowledging that such cases rarely involve “smoking gun” evidence, the Supreme Court held that circumstantial evidence can be used to prove the existence of unlawful motive in race discrimination cases:

The prohibitions against discrimination contained in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 reflect an important national policy. There will seldom be “eyewitness” testimony as to the employer’s mental processes. But none of this means that trial courts or reviewing courts should treat discrimination differently from other ultimate questions of fact.
​

I stand corrected.


But, again, the test was about fighting fires. Assuming that cultural bias or a corrupt grader is responsible, when the city showed such strong determination to promote black firefighters, is not reasonable.

Nor is calling me racist based on that statement.


Page after page, and you never FUCKING ASKED ME, why I thought the black firefighters scored poorly, you just started smearing me with what in our culture is a very serious slur.


With all due respect. That is a dick move.

.

Anyone white that says blacks we should be grateful to whites for freeing us from slavery is a racist. You said that, now stop lying and whining abut being called what you are

DId I say that? Or did I say that you should be grateful to the whites that freed you from slavery?

Here's a man who went even further in his view of the positive effect of the issue:

"In the early 1970s Muhammad Ali fought for the heavyweight title against George Foreman. The fight was held in the African nation of Zaire; it was insensitively called the "rumble in the jungle."

Ali won the fight, and upon returning to the United States, he was asked by a reporter, "Champ, what did you think of Africa?"

Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!" There is a characteristic mischievous pungency to Ali's remark, yet it also expresses a widely held sentiment. Ali recognizes that for all the horror of slavery, it was the transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom. The slaves were not better off—the boat Ali refers to brought the slaves through a horrific Middle Passage to a life of painful servitude—yet their descendants today, even if they won't admit it, are better off. Ali was honest enough to admit it."
Muhammad Ali - Wikiquote

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

[/QUOTE]

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

 

[IM2]

This was in my email box this morning:

As one of the original Tuskegee Airmen, Colonel Charles McGee knew what it meant to face overwhelming odds.

He and his fellow Tuskegee Airmen and are credited with some 15,500 combat sorties. They earned a reputation for excellence as escort pilots, because of their unwavering commitment to staying with the bombers they were assigned to protect.

We believe Colonel McGee’s story still contains lessons that Americans of every generation ought to hear. He has lived through some incredible history, and is proud to be a Tuskegee Airman.

When Charles McGee joined the war effort in the 1940s, the U.S. military still upheld a 1925 report published by the Army War College full of cruel and racist remarks about African Americans’ intelligence.

But in 1941, The U.S. Army Air Corps opened an experimental program that allowed African Americans to train and become licensed military aviators.

Right around that time, news of the Army’s recruiting efforts began to spread through the black community. Colonel McGee already had a draft card, so he filled out a pilot’s application.

The program at Tuskegee Army Air Field was experimental because it was expected to fail. He could feel just how different things were as he entered the South. Their facilities were segregated, a situation that was new to him.

Colonel McGee’s motto, which he’s carried in his heart and still strives to live by, is, “Do while you can.” Colonel McGee completed a total of 136 combat missions during World War II, and stayed on active duty for 30 years. He even set a record as the only fighter pilot to fly 100 or more combat missions in World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

What he is most proud of is that he gave all he could, even as he battled the doubts and hatred rooted in the racism that was still prevalent in American society. The values and lessons he held onto gave him strength.

These lessons shaped his life, and he has worked hard to pass them on. He tells youngsters all the time, “The things you do to improve your own life are also strengths to the country.”

McGee graduated from primary flight training at Tuskegee in 1943 and was commissioned to the 302nd Fighter Squadron, one of the four all-black units of the 332nd Fighter Group. They flew sweeps – sweep in and strafe targets on the ground – and bomber escort missions.

Charles McGee with his Crew Chief, Nathaniel Wilson, standing by "Kitten,"
the P-51C Mustang named for his wife.

In combat, the Airmen painted the tails of their P-47s to make it easier for the bomber pilots they were protecting to identify them. McGee told History Net a few years ago that everything changed for him when he took his first flight in the P-51C. He soon flew the P-51C regularly, and named it Kitten, his wife’s nickname. HIs crew chief, Nathaniel Wilson, kept it purring, too.

When enemy airplanes appeared on bomber escort missions, commander Colonel Benjamin O. Davis Jr. ordered one airplane to pursue while the rest stayed with the bombers to protect against enemy fire. Because of this, bomber pilots often asked specifically for the “Red Tails,” and Col. Davis renamed his airplane By Request.

Even amidst the doubts of white officers and the humiliation of segregation, Col. Davis inspired his men to RISE ABOVE™ and focus on their skill as aviators. He often said, “Excellence is the best response to racism.”

The Airmen all knew they were fighting two battles: the battle against Hitler and Nazi Germany over there, and the battle against racism back here at home.

Discipline. Commitment. Strength of Character. These are the lessons of the Tuskegee Airmen. Lessons that are every bit as applicable today as they were in the 1940s. Lessons that can help youngsters gain the strength to overcome adversity in their own lives.

​

And in all of this he can surely thank the white officers who stuck their necks out, and gave these guy's the chance that they deserved in all of this. IM2 just threw up in his throat reading this post. Yes it's true IM2.

Have you thanked a white person lately ?

I didn't do anything but read and agree. I don't thank whites for making me free. Because they didn't.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I stand corrected.


But, again, the test was about fighting fires. Assuming that cultural bias or a corrupt grader is responsible, when the city showed such strong determination to promote black firefighters, is not reasonable.

Nor is calling me racist based on that statement.


Page after page, and you never FUCKING ASKED ME, why I thought the black firefighters scored poorly, you just started smearing me with what in our culture is a very serious slur.


With all due respect. That is a dick move.

.

Anyone white that says blacks we should be grateful to whites for freeing us from slavery is a racist. You said that, now stop lying and whining abut being called what you are

DId I say that? Or did I say that you should be grateful to the whites that freed you from slavery?

Here's a man who went even further in his view of the positive effect of the issue:

"In the early 1970s Muhammad Ali fought for the heavyweight title against George Foreman. The fight was held in the African nation of Zaire; it was insensitively called the "rumble in the jungle."

Ali won the fight, and upon returning to the United States, he was asked by a reporter, "Champ, what did you think of Africa?"

Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!" There is a characteristic mischievous pungency to Ali's remark, yet it also expresses a widely held sentiment. Ali recognizes that for all the horror of slavery, it was the transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom. The slaves were not better off—the boat Ali refers to brought the slaves through a horrific Middle Passage to a life of painful servitude—yet their descendants today, even if they won't admit it, are better off. Ali was honest enough to admit it."
Muhammad Ali - Wikiquote

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?[/QUOTE]



"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This was in my email box this morning:

As one of the original Tuskegee Airmen, Colonel Charles McGee knew what it meant to face overwhelming odds.

He and his fellow Tuskegee Airmen and are credited with some 15,500 combat sorties. They earned a reputation for excellence as escort pilots, because of their unwavering commitment to staying with the bombers they were assigned to protect.

We believe Colonel McGee’s story still contains lessons that Americans of every generation ought to hear. He has lived through some incredible history, and is proud to be a Tuskegee Airman.

When Charles McGee joined the war effort in the 1940s, the U.S. military still upheld a 1925 report published by the Army War College full of cruel and racist remarks about African Americans’ intelligence.

But in 1941, The U.S. Army Air Corps opened an experimental program that allowed African Americans to train and become licensed military aviators.

Right around that time, news of the Army’s recruiting efforts began to spread through the black community. Colonel McGee already had a draft card, so he filled out a pilot’s application.

The program at Tuskegee Army Air Field was experimental because it was expected to fail. He could feel just how different things were as he entered the South. Their facilities were segregated, a situation that was new to him.

Colonel McGee’s motto, which he’s carried in his heart and still strives to live by, is, “Do while you can.” Colonel McGee completed a total of 136 combat missions during World War II, and stayed on active duty for 30 years. He even set a record as the only fighter pilot to fly 100 or more combat missions in World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

What he is most proud of is that he gave all he could, even as he battled the doubts and hatred rooted in the racism that was still prevalent in American society. The values and lessons he held onto gave him strength.

These lessons shaped his life, and he has worked hard to pass them on. He tells youngsters all the time, “The things you do to improve your own life are also strengths to the country.”

McGee graduated from primary flight training at Tuskegee in 1943 and was commissioned to the 302nd Fighter Squadron, one of the four all-black units of the 332nd Fighter Group. They flew sweeps – sweep in and strafe targets on the ground – and bomber escort missions.

Charles McGee with his Crew Chief, Nathaniel Wilson, standing by "Kitten,"
the P-51C Mustang named for his wife.

In combat, the Airmen painted the tails of their P-47s to make it easier for the bomber pilots they were protecting to identify them. McGee told History Net a few years ago that everything changed for him when he took his first flight in the P-51C. He soon flew the P-51C regularly, and named it Kitten, his wife’s nickname. HIs crew chief, Nathaniel Wilson, kept it purring, too.

When enemy airplanes appeared on bomber escort missions, commander Colonel Benjamin O. Davis Jr. ordered one airplane to pursue while the rest stayed with the bombers to protect against enemy fire. Because of this, bomber pilots often asked specifically for the “Red Tails,” and Col. Davis renamed his airplane By Request.

Even amidst the doubts of white officers and the humiliation of segregation, Col. Davis inspired his men to RISE ABOVE™ and focus on their skill as aviators. He often said, “Excellence is the best response to racism.”

The Airmen all knew they were fighting two battles: the battle against Hitler and Nazi Germany over there, and the battle against racism back here at home.

Discipline. Commitment. Strength of Character. These are the lessons of the Tuskegee Airmen. Lessons that are every bit as applicable today as they were in the 1940s. Lessons that can help youngsters gain the strength to overcome adversity in their own lives.

​

And in all of this he can surely thank the white officers who stuck their necks out, and gave these guy's the chance that they deserved in all of this. IM2 just threw up in his throat reading this post. Yes it's true IM2.

Have you thanked a white person lately ?

I didn't do anything but read and agree. I don't thank whites for making me free. Because they didn't.

As the old saying goes, "If you want to get even with someone, begin with someone who did you a favor."

With you, it's quite the opposite, isn't it.

 

[IM2]

.

Anyone white that says blacks we should be grateful to whites for freeing us from slavery is a racist. You said that, now stop lying and whining abut being called what you are

DId I say that? Or did I say that you should be grateful to the whites that freed you from slavery?

Here's a man who went even further in his view of the positive effect of the issue:

"In the early 1970s Muhammad Ali fought for the heavyweight title against George Foreman. The fight was held in the African nation of Zaire; it was insensitively called the "rumble in the jungle."

Ali won the fight, and upon returning to the United States, he was asked by a reporter, "Champ, what did you think of Africa?"

Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!" There is a characteristic mischievous pungency to Ali's remark, yet it also expresses a widely held sentiment. Ali recognizes that for all the horror of slavery, it was the transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom. The slaves were not better off—the boat Ali refers to brought the slaves through a horrific Middle Passage to a life of painful servitude—yet their descendants today, even if they won't admit it, are better off. Ali was honest enough to admit it."
Muhammad Ali - Wikiquote

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

[/QUOTE]

Actually it is.

Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam war and racism.

 

[IM2]

This was in my email box this morning:

As one of the original Tuskegee Airmen, Colonel Charles McGee knew what it meant to face overwhelming odds.

He and his fellow Tuskegee Airmen and are credited with some 15,500 combat sorties. They earned a reputation for excellence as escort pilots, because of their unwavering commitment to staying with the bombers they were assigned to protect.

We believe Colonel McGee’s story still contains lessons that Americans of every generation ought to hear. He has lived through some incredible history, and is proud to be a Tuskegee Airman.

When Charles McGee joined the war effort in the 1940s, the U.S. military still upheld a 1925 report published by the Army War College full of cruel and racist remarks about African Americans’ intelligence.

But in 1941, The U.S. Army Air Corps opened an experimental program that allowed African Americans to train and become licensed military aviators.

Right around that time, news of the Army’s recruiting efforts began to spread through the black community. Colonel McGee already had a draft card, so he filled out a pilot’s application.

The program at Tuskegee Army Air Field was experimental because it was expected to fail. He could feel just how different things were as he entered the South. Their facilities were segregated, a situation that was new to him.

Colonel McGee’s motto, which he’s carried in his heart and still strives to live by, is, “Do while you can.” Colonel McGee completed a total of 136 combat missions during World War II, and stayed on active duty for 30 years. He even set a record as the only fighter pilot to fly 100 or more combat missions in World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

What he is most proud of is that he gave all he could, even as he battled the doubts and hatred rooted in the racism that was still prevalent in American society. The values and lessons he held onto gave him strength.

These lessons shaped his life, and he has worked hard to pass them on. He tells youngsters all the time, “The things you do to improve your own life are also strengths to the country.”

McGee graduated from primary flight training at Tuskegee in 1943 and was commissioned to the 302nd Fighter Squadron, one of the four all-black units of the 332nd Fighter Group. They flew sweeps – sweep in and strafe targets on the ground – and bomber escort missions.

Charles McGee with his Crew Chief, Nathaniel Wilson, standing by "Kitten,"
the P-51C Mustang named for his wife.

In combat, the Airmen painted the tails of their P-47s to make it easier for the bomber pilots they were protecting to identify them. McGee told History Net a few years ago that everything changed for him when he took his first flight in the P-51C. He soon flew the P-51C regularly, and named it Kitten, his wife’s nickname. HIs crew chief, Nathaniel Wilson, kept it purring, too.

When enemy airplanes appeared on bomber escort missions, commander Colonel Benjamin O. Davis Jr. ordered one airplane to pursue while the rest stayed with the bombers to protect against enemy fire. Because of this, bomber pilots often asked specifically for the “Red Tails,” and Col. Davis renamed his airplane By Request.

Even amidst the doubts of white officers and the humiliation of segregation, Col. Davis inspired his men to RISE ABOVE™ and focus on their skill as aviators. He often said, “Excellence is the best response to racism.”

The Airmen all knew they were fighting two battles: the battle against Hitler and Nazi Germany over there, and the battle against racism back here at home.

Discipline. Commitment. Strength of Character. These are the lessons of the Tuskegee Airmen. Lessons that are every bit as applicable today as they were in the 1940s. Lessons that can help youngsters gain the strength to overcome adversity in their own lives.

​

And in all of this he can surely thank the white officers who stuck their necks out, and gave these guy's the chance that they deserved in all of this. IM2 just threw up in his throat reading this post. Yes it's true IM2.

Have you thanked a white person lately ?

I didn't do anything but read and agree. I don't thank whites for making me free. Because they didn't.

As the old saying goes, "If you want to get even with someone, begin with someone who did you a favor."

With you, it's quite the opposite, isn't it.

There s a new saying and it goes- "thou shall shutteth your japanese mouth because verily you are the recipient of reparations from the US government."

 

[ATL]

This was in my email box this morning:

As one of the original Tuskegee Airmen, Colonel Charles McGee knew what it meant to face overwhelming odds.

He and his fellow Tuskegee Airmen and are credited with some 15,500 combat sorties. They earned a reputation for excellence as escort pilots, because of their unwavering commitment to staying with the bombers they were assigned to protect.

We believe Colonel McGee’s story still contains lessons that Americans of every generation ought to hear. He has lived through some incredible history, and is proud to be a Tuskegee Airman.

When Charles McGee joined the war effort in the 1940s, the U.S. military still upheld a 1925 report published by the Army War College full of cruel and racist remarks about African Americans’ intelligence.

But in 1941, The U.S. Army Air Corps opened an experimental program that allowed African Americans to train and become licensed military aviators.

Right around that time, news of the Army’s recruiting efforts began to spread through the black community. Colonel McGee already had a draft card, so he filled out a pilot’s application.

The program at Tuskegee Army Air Field was experimental because it was expected to fail. He could feel just how different things were as he entered the South. Their facilities were segregated, a situation that was new to him.

Colonel McGee’s motto, which he’s carried in his heart and still strives to live by, is, “Do while you can.” Colonel McGee completed a total of 136 combat missions during World War II, and stayed on active duty for 30 years. He even set a record as the only fighter pilot to fly 100 or more combat missions in World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

What he is most proud of is that he gave all he could, even as he battled the doubts and hatred rooted in the racism that was still prevalent in American society. The values and lessons he held onto gave him strength.

These lessons shaped his life, and he has worked hard to pass them on. He tells youngsters all the time, “The things you do to improve your own life are also strengths to the country.”

McGee graduated from primary flight training at Tuskegee in 1943 and was commissioned to the 302nd Fighter Squadron, one of the four all-black units of the 332nd Fighter Group. They flew sweeps – sweep in and strafe targets on the ground – and bomber escort missions.

Charles McGee with his Crew Chief, Nathaniel Wilson, standing by "Kitten,"
the P-51C Mustang named for his wife.

In combat, the Airmen painted the tails of their P-47s to make it easier for the bomber pilots they were protecting to identify them. McGee told History Net a few years ago that everything changed for him when he took his first flight in the P-51C. He soon flew the P-51C regularly, and named it Kitten, his wife’s nickname. HIs crew chief, Nathaniel Wilson, kept it purring, too.

When enemy airplanes appeared on bomber escort missions, commander Colonel Benjamin O. Davis Jr. ordered one airplane to pursue while the rest stayed with the bombers to protect against enemy fire. Because of this, bomber pilots often asked specifically for the “Red Tails,” and Col. Davis renamed his airplane By Request.

Even amidst the doubts of white officers and the humiliation of segregation, Col. Davis inspired his men to RISE ABOVE™ and focus on their skill as aviators. He often said, “Excellence is the best response to racism.”

The Airmen all knew they were fighting two battles: the battle against Hitler and Nazi Germany over there, and the battle against racism back here at home.

Discipline. Commitment. Strength of Character. These are the lessons of the Tuskegee Airmen. Lessons that are every bit as applicable today as they were in the 1940s. Lessons that can help youngsters gain the strength to overcome adversity in their own lives.

​

And in all of this he can surely thank the white officers who stuck their necks out, and gave these guy's the chance that they deserved in all of this. IM2 just threw up in his throat reading this post. Yes it's true IM2.

Have you thanked a white person lately ?

I didn't do anything but read and agree. I don't thank whites for making me free. Because they didn't.

As the old saying goes, "If you want to get even with someone, begin with someone who did you a favor."

With you, it's quite the opposite, isn't it.

There s a new saying and it goes- "thou shall shutteth your japanese mouth because verily you are the recipient of reparations from the US government."

That's like a SNAP recipient badmouthing someone on disability.

 

[IM2]

This was in my email box this morning:

As one of the original Tuskegee Airmen, Colonel Charles McGee knew what it meant to face overwhelming odds.

He and his fellow Tuskegee Airmen and are credited with some 15,500 combat sorties. They earned a reputation for excellence as escort pilots, because of their unwavering commitment to staying with the bombers they were assigned to protect.

We believe Colonel McGee’s story still contains lessons that Americans of every generation ought to hear. He has lived through some incredible history, and is proud to be a Tuskegee Airman.

When Charles McGee joined the war effort in the 1940s, the U.S. military still upheld a 1925 report published by the Army War College full of cruel and racist remarks about African Americans’ intelligence.

But in 1941, The U.S. Army Air Corps opened an experimental program that allowed African Americans to train and become licensed military aviators.

Right around that time, news of the Army’s recruiting efforts began to spread through the black community. Colonel McGee already had a draft card, so he filled out a pilot’s application.

The program at Tuskegee Army Air Field was experimental because it was expected to fail. He could feel just how different things were as he entered the South. Their facilities were segregated, a situation that was new to him.

Colonel McGee’s motto, which he’s carried in his heart and still strives to live by, is, “Do while you can.” Colonel McGee completed a total of 136 combat missions during World War II, and stayed on active duty for 30 years. He even set a record as the only fighter pilot to fly 100 or more combat missions in World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

What he is most proud of is that he gave all he could, even as he battled the doubts and hatred rooted in the racism that was still prevalent in American society. The values and lessons he held onto gave him strength.

These lessons shaped his life, and he has worked hard to pass them on. He tells youngsters all the time, “The things you do to improve your own life are also strengths to the country.”

McGee graduated from primary flight training at Tuskegee in 1943 and was commissioned to the 302nd Fighter Squadron, one of the four all-black units of the 332nd Fighter Group. They flew sweeps – sweep in and strafe targets on the ground – and bomber escort missions.

Charles McGee with his Crew Chief, Nathaniel Wilson, standing by "Kitten,"
the P-51C Mustang named for his wife.

In combat, the Airmen painted the tails of their P-47s to make it easier for the bomber pilots they were protecting to identify them. McGee told History Net a few years ago that everything changed for him when he took his first flight in the P-51C. He soon flew the P-51C regularly, and named it Kitten, his wife’s nickname. HIs crew chief, Nathaniel Wilson, kept it purring, too.

When enemy airplanes appeared on bomber escort missions, commander Colonel Benjamin O. Davis Jr. ordered one airplane to pursue while the rest stayed with the bombers to protect against enemy fire. Because of this, bomber pilots often asked specifically for the “Red Tails,” and Col. Davis renamed his airplane By Request.

Even amidst the doubts of white officers and the humiliation of segregation, Col. Davis inspired his men to RISE ABOVE™ and focus on their skill as aviators. He often said, “Excellence is the best response to racism.”

The Airmen all knew they were fighting two battles: the battle against Hitler and Nazi Germany over there, and the battle against racism back here at home.

Discipline. Commitment. Strength of Character. These are the lessons of the Tuskegee Airmen. Lessons that are every bit as applicable today as they were in the 1940s. Lessons that can help youngsters gain the strength to overcome adversity in their own lives.

​

And in all of this he can surely thank the white officers who stuck their necks out, and gave these guy's the chance that they deserved in all of this. IM2 just threw up in his throat reading this post. Yes it's true IM2.

Have you thanked a white person lately ?

I didn't do anything but read and agree. I don't thank whites for making me free. Because they didn't.

As the old saying goes, "If you want to get even with someone, begin with someone who did you a favor."

With you, it's quite the opposite, isn't it.

There s a new saying and it goes- "thou shall shutteth your japanese mouth because verily you are the recipient of reparations from the US government."

That's like a SNAP recipient badmouthing someone on disability.

LOL! Sure is.

 

[PoliticalChic]

DId I say that? Or did I say that you should be grateful to the whites that freed you from slavery?

Here's a man who went even further in his view of the positive effect of the issue:

"In the early 1970s Muhammad Ali fought for the heavyweight title against George Foreman. The fight was held in the African nation of Zaire; it was insensitively called the "rumble in the jungle."

Ali won the fight, and upon returning to the United States, he was asked by a reporter, "Champ, what did you think of Africa?"

Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!" There is a characteristic mischievous pungency to Ali's remark, yet it also expresses a widely held sentiment. Ali recognizes that for all the horror of slavery, it was the transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom. The slaves were not better off—the boat Ali refers to brought the slaves through a horrific Middle Passage to a life of painful servitude—yet their descendants today, even if they won't admit it, are better off. Ali was honest enough to admit it."
Muhammad Ali - Wikiquote

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

Actually it is.

Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam war and racism.

[/QUOTE]



You haven't the ability, it seems, to learn.

Specifically.....that I am never wrong.


"The Complex Man After the Change

Unfortunately, after his return to the United States, Ali reportedly said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” after a reporter asked, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?”:

Historian Elliot Gorn explained that Ali came to even greater consciousness however as he grew. He wrote, “Clay later regretted the remark [ about Africans living in huts] when Louisville’s mayor prodded him to repeat it before a delegation at city hall and when a young Nigerian chided him for perpetuating a stereotype of Africa”.
Muhammad Ali thought Africa was a jungle, until he visited

 

[IM2]

Here's a man who went even further in his view of the positive effect of the issue:

"In the early 1970s Muhammad Ali fought for the heavyweight title against George Foreman. The fight was held in the African nation of Zaire; it was insensitively called the "rumble in the jungle."

Ali won the fight, and upon returning to the United States, he was asked by a reporter, "Champ, what did you think of Africa?"

Ali replied, "Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat!" There is a characteristic mischievous pungency to Ali's remark, yet it also expresses a widely held sentiment. Ali recognizes that for all the horror of slavery, it was the transmission belt that brought Africans into the orbit of Western freedom. The slaves were not better off—the boat Ali refers to brought the slaves through a horrific Middle Passage to a life of painful servitude—yet their descendants today, even if they won't admit it, are better off. Ali was honest enough to admit it."
Muhammad Ali - Wikiquote

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

Actually it is.

Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam war and racism.

You haven't the ability, it seems, to learn.

Specifically.....that I am never wrong.


"The Complex Man After the Change

Unfortunately, after his return to the United States, Ali reportedly said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” after a reporter asked, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?”:

Historian Elliot Gorn explained that Ali came to even greater consciousness however as he grew. He wrote, “Clay later regretted the remark [ about Africans living in huts] when Louisville’s mayor prodded him to repeat it before a delegation at city hall and when a young Nigerian chided him for perpetuating a stereotype of Africa”.
Muhammad Ali thought Africa was a jungle, until he visited[/QUOTE]

Look fool, you know nothing about Ali. He didn't change his name to Muhammad Ali because he was grateful to not have to live in Africa.

 

[katsteve2012]

So the courts are wrong, the juries were wrong, the EEOC is wrong and the only case anyone got right was New Haven Firefighter case in which the white firefighters prevailed? And you don't see why this makes you look a bit biased?

Can you see how easily you start calling me names, based on "subtle clues" calls into question the judgement of everyone that shares your viewpoint on this issue?

Subtle clues are not what people are supposed to be convicted on in this country. YOu need compelling evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

Wrong. Reasonable doubt applies to criminal cases and it is said that the measure is 98%. The reason being if the government is going to take away a person's freedom and/or life then they want to be reasonably sure that the defendant actually committed the crime.

The EEOC's cases are civil and the threshold is a "preponderance of the evidence" which in layman terms means if you weigh the evidence from each side on a scale whichever side tips the scales prevails (51%).

Race Discrimination Based on Disparate Treatment

Race discrimination can arise as disparate treatment, where an employer intentionally treats employees of a particular race less favorably than employees of a different race. ***In Postal Service v. Aikens, the Supreme Court made clear that victims of race discrimination need not submit direct evidence of discriminatory intent. Rather, in acknowledging that such cases rarely involve “smoking gun” evidence, the Supreme Court held that circumstantial evidence can be used to prove the existence of unlawful motive in race discrimination cases:

The prohibitions against discrimination contained in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 reflect an important national policy. There will seldom be “eyewitness” testimony as to the employer’s mental processes. But none of this means that trial courts or reviewing courts should treat discrimination differently from other ultimate questions of fact.
​

I stand corrected.


But, again, the test was about fighting fires. Assuming that cultural bias or a corrupt grader is responsible, when the city showed such strong determination to promote black firefighters, is not reasonable.

Nor is calling me racist based on that statement.


Page after page, and you never FUCKING ASKED ME, why I thought the black firefighters scored poorly, you just started smearing me with what in our culture is a very serious slur.


With all due respect. That is a dick move.

.

Anyone white that says blacks we should be grateful to whites for freeing us from slavery is a racist. You said that, now stop lying and whining abut being called what you are

DId I say that? Or did I say that you should be grateful to the whites that freed you from slavery?

No whites "freed" anyone from slavery. They fought to save the Union, and by default slaves were "freed", then literally overnight, ended up in the Jim Crow system.

Your inability to show gratitude is a personal flaw.[/QUOTE]

You have numerous flaws in your logic. As far as your "personal flaws", I will not be a pompous asshole like you and try to point them out, because I'm fortunate to not even know you.

You have no guilt because you never owned a slave, and I have no gratitude because I have never been a slave.

That's just how it is. Deal with it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

Actually it is.

Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam war and racism.

You haven't the ability, it seems, to learn.

Specifically.....that I am never wrong.


"The Complex Man After the Change

Unfortunately, after his return to the United States, Ali reportedly said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” after a reporter asked, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?”:

Historian Elliot Gorn explained that Ali came to even greater consciousness however as he grew. He wrote, “Clay later regretted the remark [ about Africans living in huts] when Louisville’s mayor prodded him to repeat it before a delegation at city hall and when a young Nigerian chided him for perpetuating a stereotype of Africa”.
Muhammad Ali thought Africa was a jungle, until he visited

Look fool, you know nothing about Ali. He didn't change his name to Muhammad Ali because he was grateful to not have to live in Africa.[/QUOTE]



Soooo......you're no longer denying that he said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” ?


Excellent.

 

[katsteve2012]

You've already ben shown that's not the case. I know your Japanese ass is grateful to whites for your reparations but that doesn't mean you get to repost a silly comment from Ali.

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

Actually it is.

Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam war and racism.

You haven't the ability, it seems, to learn.

Specifically.....that I am never wrong.


"The Complex Man After the Change

Unfortunately, after his return to the United States, Ali reportedly said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” after a reporter asked, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?”:

Historian Elliot Gorn explained that Ali came to even greater consciousness however as he grew. He wrote, “Clay later regretted the remark [ about Africans living in huts] when Louisville’s mayor prodded him to repeat it before a delegation at city hall and when a young Nigerian chided him for perpetuating a stereotype of Africa”.
Muhammad Ali thought Africa was a jungle, until he visited

Look fool, you know nothing about Ali. He didn't change his name to Muhammad Ali because he was grateful to not have to live in Africa.[/QUOTE]

Anyone who ever knew Ali or his biographer and photographer, Howard Bingham, knows that a lot of what he said publically versus privately, were often for effect and attention, which made him sort of an egnigma. He journeyed to Africa in 1964 for the first time, and his impressions of Africa from then until his death in 2016 were positive.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...CBAB&usg=AOvVaw3pgOk3EcsE9o8tjSd2HNuB&ampcf=1

 

[IM2]

Of course it is the case....it has been widely quoted and noted.

He found it beneficial to alter his view in later years.


Now....back on point.....did you receive that reparations check yet?


Have you looked here?

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

Actually it is.

Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam war and racism.

You haven't the ability, it seems, to learn.

Specifically.....that I am never wrong.


"The Complex Man After the Change

Unfortunately, after his return to the United States, Ali reportedly said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” after a reporter asked, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?”:

Historian Elliot Gorn explained that Ali came to even greater consciousness however as he grew. He wrote, “Clay later regretted the remark [ about Africans living in huts] when Louisville’s mayor prodded him to repeat it before a delegation at city hall and when a young Nigerian chided him for perpetuating a stereotype of Africa”.
Muhammad Ali thought Africa was a jungle, until he visited

Look fool, you know nothing about Ali. He didn't change his name to Muhammad Ali because he was grateful to not have to live in Africa.

Soooo......you're no longer denying that he said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” ?


Excellent.[/QUOTE]

As I stated from the beginning, your claim is wrong.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually he never had that view. Do you know how stupid you look for being japanese and asking somebody about a reparations check?

"No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race
“Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
— 1974 response when asked for his impression of Africa, after Ali returned to the United States from Zaire, where he fought George Foreman."
No One Was Talking About These Uncomfortable Muhammad Ali Quotes About Race





Reality isn't your strong suit, is it.

Actually it is.

Muhammad Ali on the Vietnam war and racism.

You haven't the ability, it seems, to learn.

Specifically.....that I am never wrong.


"The Complex Man After the Change

Unfortunately, after his return to the United States, Ali reportedly said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” after a reporter asked, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?”:

Historian Elliot Gorn explained that Ali came to even greater consciousness however as he grew. He wrote, “Clay later regretted the remark [ about Africans living in huts] when Louisville’s mayor prodded him to repeat it before a delegation at city hall and when a young Nigerian chided him for perpetuating a stereotype of Africa”.
Muhammad Ali thought Africa was a jungle, until he visited

Look fool, you know nothing about Ali. He didn't change his name to Muhammad Ali because he was grateful to not have to live in Africa.

Soooo......you're no longer denying that he said “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat” ?


Excellent.

As I stated from the beginning, your claim is wrong.[/QUOTE]



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"Thank God my grandaddy got on that boat."



Well known quote, attributed correctly.