Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
If there is something that you believe and there are no facts either way, it is not a lie to you because it is what you believe.
If you believe something for which you know there is no proof for, you're a fucking idiot, plain and simple. :biggrin:
If there is no proof, you make an educated guess on what you think the facts are. It is known as opinion. Guess you are the fucking idiot.
Opinion, sure, that's what I tell dingbat all the time. But these doofusses think that it's fact without proof. Those are the fucking idiots.
And who would dingbat be?
That doofus ding who thinks he knows everything... without any proof whatsoever.
I never claimed to know everything, Taz. And I have proof, you just don't accept it for no good reason.
The universe is proof that you’re a doofus. :biggrin:
This is pretty simple, Taz.

At the heart of this debate is whether or not the material world was created by spirit. If the material world were not created by spirit, then everything which has occurred since the beginning of space and time are products of the material world. Everything which is incorporeal proceeded from the corporeal. There is no middle ground. There is no other option. Either the material world was created by spirit or it wasn't. All other options will simplify to one of these two lowest common denominators which are mutually exclusive. Right? It is either is or it isn't, right?
:lol: Makes no sense at all.
What's the third option then, Taz?

You do realize that your rejection of this simple binary matrix is literally proving what I said... that you fail to accept proof for no good reason. I haven't even got to the proof part because I can't get you to agree that there are only two possible outcomes. It's self evident that there are only two options here. Either it is or it isn't. You can't even bring yourself to admit this simple, self evident truth because you are afraid of where it will lead and prove that you reject proof for no good reason.

Of course technically I have already proven it.
Third option, we don’t know. Just being honest and realistic.
We don't know what? That God does exist or God doesn't exist? Isn't that your exact contention as a supposed agnostic?

Cause those are still the only two options and your reluctance to admit those are the only two options prove you reject proof for no good reason.
You’re asking me to choose one, as an agnostic, I can’t.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. I am not asking you to choose one. I am asking you if those are the only two options.
 
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist.

John 3:8
“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
A perfect example of your STUPIDITY and the STUPIDITY and lack of science in the bible.

Lets start with you, can God be MEASURED, no therefore God does not exist. Can wind be measured, YES, yes it can, therefore wind exists.

Now for the bible:
A simple scientific device called a weathervane will show you where the wind is coming from and where it is going.
A weather vane may give you an immediate direction, but it doesn't inform you were it began nor where it will end up after it passes through one's yard. One may measure how fast the wind is moving but not why or how to stop it. One may not measure GOD; however, one can indeed see both HIS handiwork and observe HIS interaction with individuals and societies.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.
Well, then you have no excuse and no reason to blame GOD for your path and destination.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
Faith seems to be the belief in an invisible magician without any proof.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.
Well, then you have no excuse and no reason to blame GOD for your path and destination.
Where have i ever blamed any gods for my path?
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
Faith seems to be the belief in an invisible magician without any proof.

I see faith in the same category as "because I said so"
 
List of Atheist Lies

1. We atheists are "brights." We're smarter than fundies.
2. Because we're smarter, we're invariably right. (This is the Fallacy of the Argument From Authority.)
3. Nothing made everything.
4. You can't explain who made God. (OF COURSE NOT, because if someone "made God," then He wouldn't be God, would He!)
5. We're more moral than Christians. (A. You mean like Adolf Hitler and Chairman Mao and Pol Pot? B. Based on what book of atheist "morals"?)
6. Religion and science are incompatible. (Absurd on its face, as the majority of Nobel Laureates are men and women of faith.)

Please add:

7.
8.
9.
10.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
Faith seems to be the belief in an invisible magician without any proof.

I see faith in the same category as "because I said so"
That doesn't surprise me at all.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
Faith seems to be the belief in an invisible magician without any proof.

I see faith in the same category as "because I said so"
That doesn't surprise me at all.
That's pretty much you. Own it.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
Faith seems to be the belief in an invisible magician without any proof.

I see faith in the same category as "because I said so"
That doesn't surprise me at all.
That's pretty much you. Own it.
How so?

My definition of faith is complete trust in something or someone, dummy.
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
Faith seems to be the belief in an invisible magician without any proof.

I see faith in the same category as "because I said so"
That doesn't surprise me at all.
That's pretty much you. Own it.
How so?

My definition of faith is complete trust in something or someone, dummy.
With or without evidence that the person or thing is trustworthy?

Trust is earned by my definition
 
Atheists are just as deluded as theists, as there's no proof for or against the existence of an invisible superbeing that rules the universe. Making Agnosticism the thinking person's choice.
Agnostic. Afraid to commit.
To what? 2 unprovable statements? Agnostic are smart enough to wait for real proof either way.
It will never come. You are afraid to make a decision on what you believe. You are waiting for the second coming like those with religion.
Because it will never come I should pick a side that I know is a lie? Um...no.
How would you know either side is a lie?
A lie in the sense that people who say "there is proof for a god" are lying because they know deep down that there's no such thing. Same with atheists, they say something knowing they can't prove it, hence it's a lie.
Can you see GOD? NO? Therefore HE doesn't exist. Can you see the wind? Ah no? Therefore wind doesn't exist. At least from an atheistic point of view... But maybe I'm wrong. So tell me ------ have you ever seen the wind? Does that mean there is no such thing as wind?


John 3:8

“The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
I'm agnostic and see no proof either for or against the existence of a god. But leave the door open if anyone comes up with real proof either way. Can't be any fairer than that.
I'm agnostic and apathetic.

I really don't care if anyone proves the existence of a god I won't live any differently than I do now.

There can never be proof.

That's why it's called "faith".

That said, if Jesus Christ descended from the heavens, knocked on my front door and said "Son, we need to talk", I'd probably be willing to listen...
Faith isn't founded on nothing. It is nurtured by small steps and observable intervention.
Faith is believing in something despite the absence of data to prove it.
The definition of faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never put complete trust in something or someone without good reason.
From Mirriam-Webster
a(1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b(1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof
Webster's Dictionary is far more in-depth:
FAITH, noun [Latin fides, fido, to trust; Gr. to persuade, to draw towards any thing, to conciliate; to believe, to obey. In the Greek Lexicon of Hederic it is said, the primitive signification of the verb is to bind and draw or lead, as signifies a rope or cable. But this remark is a little incorrect. The sense of the verb, from which that of rope and binding is derived, is to strain, to draw, and thus to bind or make fast. A rope or cable is that which makes fast. Heb.]
1. Belief; the assent of the mind to the truth of what is declared by another, resting on his authority and veracity, without other evidence; the judgment that what another states or testifies is the truth. I have strong faith or no faith in the testimony of a witness, or in what a historian narrates.
2. The assent of the mind to the truth of a proposition advanced by another; belief, or probable evidence of any kind.
3. In theology, the assent of the mind or understanding to the truth of what God has revealed. Simple belief of the scriptures, of the being and perfections of God, and of the existence, character and doctrines of Christ, founded on the testimony of the sacred writers, is called historical or speculative faith; a faith little distinguished from the belief of the existence and achievements of Alexander or of Cesar.
4. Evangelical, justifying, or saving faith is the assent of the mind to the truth of divine revelation, on the authority of God's testimony, accompanied with a cordial assent of the will or approbation of the heart; an entire confidence or trust in God's character and declarations, and in the character and doctrines of Christ, with an unreserved surrender of the will to his guidance, and dependence on his merits for salvation. In other words, that firm belief of God's testimony, and of the truth of the gospel, which influences the will, and leads to an entire reliance on Christ for salvation.
Being justified by faith Romans 5:1.
Without faith it is impossible to please God. Hebrews 11:1.
For we walk by faith and not by sight. 2 Corinthians 5:7.
With the heart man believeth to righteousness. Romans 10:6.
The faith of the gospel is that emotion of the mind, which is called trust or confidence, exercised towards the moral character of God, and particularly of the Savior.
FAITH is an affectionate practical confidence in the testimony of God.
FAITH is a firm, cordial belief in the veracity of God, in all the declarations of his word; or a full and affectionate confidence in the certainty of those things which God has declared, and because he has declared them.
5. The object of belief; a doctrine or system of doctrines believed; a system of revealed truths received by christians.
They heard only, that he who persecuted us in times past, now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. Galatians 1:23.
6. The promises of God, or his truth and faithfulness.
shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? Rom 3.
7. An open profession of gospel truth.
Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. Rom 1.
8. A persuasion or belief of the lawfulness of things indifferent.
Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Rom 14.
9. Faithfulness; fidelity; a strict adherence to duty and fulfillment of promises.
Her failing, while her faith to me remains, I would conceal.
Children in whom is no faith Deuteronomy 32:20.
10. Word or honor pledged; promise given; fidelity. He violated his plighted faith
For you alone I broke my faith with injured Palamon.
11. Sincerity; honesty; veracity; faithfulness. We ought in good faith to fulfill all our engagements.
12. Credibility or truth. Unusual.]
The faith of the foregoing narrative.
Faith seems to be the belief in an invisible magician without any proof.

I see faith in the same category as "because I said so"
That doesn't surprise me at all.
That's pretty much you. Own it.
How so?

My definition of faith is complete trust in something or someone, dummy.
With or without evidence that the person or thing is trustworthy?

Trust is earned by my definition
With evidence as I said before I don't put complete trust in anyone or anything without without good reason.
 
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faith is the means to accomplish unforeseen goals - columbus's faith for land across the void was fulfilled by crossing the ocean and setting foot on the distant shore.

faith without fulfillment, the desert religions is an exercise of delusion having no means for accomplishment - triumph of good vs evil, a set goal is true faith to be accomplished.
 
Everything which is incorporeal proceeded from the corporeal.
The first true thing you have ever posted, unfortunately you posted it thinking it is false!!!!!
But as a musician I know it is true. The spirit of the composer lives in HIS composition, the composition did not create the corporal composer.

Existence begets essence, it has always been that way and it will always continue to be that way.
 

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