Are Atheists Delusional?

[ding]

Should we do some transactional analysis on this conversation?

Sure! Your tendency to believe laughable fairy tales is very childish. Your adult traits are stunted and misguided, as your poor, contrived attempts at logic show. And the only things you appear to want to nurture are the childlike belief in your very specific, preferred magical fetish and a disdain for anyone who doesn't buy into it.

You would greatly benefit from studying transactional analysis.

 

[james bond]

Should we do some transactional analysis on this conversation?

Sure! Your tendency to believe laughable fairy tales is very childish. Your adult traits are stunted and misguided, as your poor, contrived attempts at logic show. And the only things you appear to want to nurture are the childlike belief in your very specific, preferred magical fetish and a disdain for anyone who doesn't buy into it.

You keep mentioning magic and fairy tales of the Bible, but you cannot present one contradiction. If much or all of it is not true, then you should be able to find an error. A contraction within itself.

The believers and their creation scientists have found a mountain of contradictions to your "faith-based" fairy tale of evolution. You do not believe in an invisible God, but invisible things that happened over millions of years. None of which can be seen today or yesterday. It is all delusional. None of which can be demonstrated by experiment. For example, you cannot show how sedimentary layers are formed over million years as Bill Nye said. He dimonstrated by pouring sand in a cup and pounding it with a rock. How scientific is that hahahahahahaha? However, I can show how sedimentary layers were formed in days during a volcano or in an experiment. Only an idiot like you can believe in such nonsense.

 

[BreezeWood]

Should we do some transactional analysis on this conversation?

Sure! Your tendency to believe laughable fairy tales is very childish. Your adult traits are stunted and misguided, as your poor, contrived attempts at logic show. And the only things you appear to want to nurture are the childlike belief in your very specific, preferred magical fetish and a disdain for anyone who doesn't buy into it.

You keep mentioning magic and fairy tales of the Bible, but you cannot present one contradiction. If much or all of it is not true, then you should be able to find an error. A contraction within itself.

The believers and their creation scientists have found a mountain of contradictions to your "faith-based" fairy tale of evolution. You do not believe in an invisible God, but invisible things that happened over millions of years. None of which can be seen today or yesterday. It is all delusional. None of which can be demonstrated by experiment. For example, you cannot show how sedimentary layers are formed over million years as Bill Nye said. He dimonstrated by pouring sand in a cup and pounding it with a rock. How scientific is that hahahahahahaha? However, I can show how sedimentary layers were formed in days during a volcano or in an experiment. Only an idiot like you can believe in such nonsense.

.

None of which can be seen today or yesterday. It is all delusional. None of which can be demonstrated by experiment.

None of which can be seen today or yesterday ...


the secrets of evolution are made visible as examples for the religious in understanding the religion of antiquity as prescribed by the Almighty through the metaphysical exchange from one generation to the next.

through purity of spirit the individual above has perfected their means of reproducing themselves from a land being to an aviary, their physiological construction.

evolution itself is the physical representation of the true religion and the actual means for attaining life beyond the present and into the Everlasting.

 

[james bond]

None of which can be seen today or yesterday ...


the secrets of evolution are made visible as examples for the religious in understanding the religion of antiquity as prescribed by the Almighty through the metaphysical exchange from one generation to the next.

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through purity of spirit the individual above has perfected their means of reproducing themselves from a land being to an aviary, their physiological construction.

evolution itself is the physical representation of the true religion and the actual means for attaining life beyond the present and into the Everlasting.

That is metamorphosis. You are a good example of being delusional.

 

[BreezeWood]

None of which can be seen today or yesterday ...


the secrets of evolution are made visible as examples for the religious in understanding the religion of antiquity as prescribed by the Almighty through the metaphysical exchange from one generation to the next.

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through purity of spirit the individual above has perfected their means of reproducing themselves from a land being to an aviary, their physiological construction.

evolution itself is the physical representation of the true religion and the actual means for attaining life beyond the present and into the Everlasting.

That is metamorphosis. You are a good example of being delusional.

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That is metamorphosis. You are a good example of being delusional.

... is that synonymous with metaphysical -

None of which can be seen today or yesterday. It is all delusional. None of which can be demonstrated by experiment.

as in the process of evolutionary change, by example the means through observation in the present tense.

the spirit of the cicada and their particular evolutionary accomplishment that is observable and testable. the means in display for all evolutionary change.

it is delusional to think otherwise.

 

[emilynghiem]

God made them gay and then blamed the victims

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

 

[james bond]

God made them gay and then blamed the victims

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

One has to repent, i.e. change their thinking and behavior for the forgiveness one is seeking.

ETA: What you believe is not what the Bible says. God created man and woman. He didn't create gays. That is their temptation and choice to sin in the fallen world. While it is difficult to change such behavior, it can be done if they repent and believe they are either man or woman. The gender fluidity, neutrality, gay in the womb is all BS made up by the liberals in promoting the homosexual agenda in their politics.

 

[ding]

God made them gay and then blamed the victims

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

God made them gay and then blamed the victims

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

Has a more meaningless, useless, vacuous statement ever been uttered? I think not.

 

[emilynghiem]

God made them gay and then blamed the victims

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

One has to repent, i.e. change their thinking and behavior for the forgiveness one is seeking.

ETA: What you believe is not what the Bible says. God created man and woman. He didn't create gays. That is their temptation and choice to sin in the fallen world. While it is difficult to change such behavior, it can be done if they repent and believe they are either man or woman. The gender fluidity, neutrality, gay in the womb is all BS made up by the liberals in promoting the homosexual agenda in their politics.

Dear james bond
What I'm saying includes what you are saying.
The reason I frame it to talk about the greater situation around people
is to emphasize that we work together as neighbors to address and resolve the issues.

James 5:16 talks about confessions faults ONE TO ANOTHER
and praying for ONE ANOTHER that WE may be healed.

So it's still including what you are saying, but it's MUTUAL between people.
It's not about one side judging or telling the other what to do.
BOTH sides addressing problems in relations WORK TOGETHER to correct and change things.

That's the main difference I see in how you present it and how I talk about these same things.
I talk about it in terms of working WITH people, where the changes and corrections are MUTUAL.

The same laws and process apply, so that's why I don't disagree with what you are saying.
I take the INCLUSIVE approach which involves people equally in the process.

 

[emilynghiem]

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

Has a more meaningless, useless, vacuous statement ever been uttered? I think not.

Fort Fun Indiana
sometimes it is the more NEUTRAL statements that are the
most UNIVERSAL and relevant to ALL situations unconditionally.

Remember the story of the wise men asked to come up with a universal truth
that applied to any situation no matter how bad?
The advice they came up with was
"This too shall pass"

Then when asked for what wisdom to share
when things were going well, they came up with the same answer:
"This too shall pass"

 

[BreezeWood]

God made them gay and then blamed the victims

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

.

... everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

just for one, what need is there then for your 10000 page document christians have nothing more to go on that requires a messiah ...

 

[emilynghiem]

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

.

... everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

just for one, what need is there then for your 10000 page document christians have nothing more to go on that requires a messiah ...

Dear BreezeWood

The best use of the Bible is to use it to REDRESS issues
and conflicts with BELIEVERS WHO COMMIT TO THIS SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you
and isn't very useful if you don't follow it or commit to follow it.

For those Christians who do, then it is used to RESOLVE conflicts
and REACH AGREEMENT as in Matthew 18:15-20 on "establishing truth"
by AGREEMENT BETWEEN 2-3 using Scriptural verses and authority.

For Constitutionalists, this process uses Constitutional principles from the
AGREED WRITTEN TEXT that the fellow Constitutionalist "agree to enforce."

For Buddhists, they would cite and form agreements on BUDDHIST principles.

For atheists/nontheists they might cite SCIENTIFIC Methods and demonstrated principles or process.

For each person or group BreezeWood it may be a different
set of laws as their LANGUAGE they agreed to use to communicate
what they agree to live bv and follow.

BTW where you are right, if they find they cannot agree, and have to admit
they are following something else besides the Bible, they might revert to
using natural law principles or science or something else. So even holding
Christians to their own Bible may make them realize that's not what they are following.

When Jesus said give away or sell everything, pick up the Cross and follow me,
how many Christians actually do this? So if they are not truly following the Bible
and what Jesus says in it, what are they really following? A lot of them are
actually secular gentiles following natural laws, and adding Christian faith to that.

 

[BreezeWood]

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

.

... everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

just for one, what need is there then for your 10000 page document christians have nothing more to go on that requires a messiah ...

Dear BreezeWood

The best use of the Bible is to use it to REDRESS issues
and conflicts with BELIEVERS WHO COMMIT TO THIS SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you
and isn't very useful if you don't follow it or commit to follow it.

For those Christians who do, then it is used to RESOLVE conflicts
and REACH AGREEMENT as in Matthew 18:15-20 on "establishing truth"
by AGREEMENT BETWEEN 2-3 using Scriptural verses and authority.

For Constitutionalists, this process uses Constitutional principles from the
AGREED WRITTEN TEXT that the fellow Constitutionalist "agree to enforce."

For Buddhists, they would cite and form agreements on BUDDHIST principles.

For atheists/nontheists they might cite SCIENTIFIC Methods and demonstrated principles or process.

For each person or group BreezeWood it may be a different
set of laws as their LANGUAGE they agreed to use to communicate
what they agree to live bv and follow.

BTW where you are right, if they find they cannot agree, and have to admit
they are following something else besides the Bible, they might revert to
using natural law principles or science or something else. So even holding
Christians to their own Bible may make them realize that's not what they are following.

When Jesus said give away or sell everything, pick up the Cross and follow me,
how many Christians actually do this? So if they are not truly following the Bible
and what Jesus says in it, what are they really following? A lot of them are
actually secular gentiles following natural laws, and adding Christian faith to that.

.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you -

Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.

you haven't the faintest idea of what you're saying ... practically or spiritually.

the corruption of the religion of antiquity is everyone's concern that is spiritually endowed, lynghtm.

 

[emilynghiem]

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

.

... everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

just for one, what need is there then for your 10000 page document christians have nothing more to go on that requires a messiah ...

Dear BreezeWood

The best use of the Bible is to use it to REDRESS issues
and conflicts with BELIEVERS WHO COMMIT TO THIS SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you
and isn't very useful if you don't follow it or commit to follow it.

For those Christians who do, then it is used to RESOLVE conflicts
and REACH AGREEMENT as in Matthew 18:15-20 on "establishing truth"
by AGREEMENT BETWEEN 2-3 using Scriptural verses and authority.

For Constitutionalists, this process uses Constitutional principles from the
AGREED WRITTEN TEXT that the fellow Constitutionalist "agree to enforce."

For Buddhists, they would cite and form agreements on BUDDHIST principles.

For atheists/nontheists they might cite SCIENTIFIC Methods and demonstrated principles or process.

For each person or group BreezeWood it may be a different
set of laws as their LANGUAGE they agreed to use to communicate
what they agree to live bv and follow.

BTW where you are right, if they find they cannot agree, and have to admit
they are following something else besides the Bible, they might revert to
using natural law principles or science or something else. So even holding
Christians to their own Bible may make them realize that's not what they are following.

When Jesus said give away or sell everything, pick up the Cross and follow me,
how many Christians actually do this? So if they are not truly following the Bible
and what Jesus says in it, what are they really following? A lot of them are
actually secular gentiles following natural laws, and adding Christian faith to that.

.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you -

Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.

you haven't the faintest idea of what you're saying ... practically or spiritually.

the corruption of the religion of antiquity is everyone's concern that is spiritually endowed, lynghtm.

Dear BreezeWood
What I mean is that
* If you are going to REBUKE Christians using
THEIR BIBLE THEY USE to establish what they agree to follow
then it helps if YOU BELIEVE IN THE SAME REFERENCES.

If you and the people you address both agree to the same
REFERENCES to invoke authority of law, then you can
communicate and resolve conflicts BASED ON THAT REFERENCE

* if you do NOT AGREE that their reference is valid
and you don't agree to follow it,
then you and the people you address should
find what REFERENCES YOU DO AGREE ON
and then use THAT as your common frame of reference

there is one universal authority that is governed by the Almighty.
When it comes to LOCAL communication between individuals
then we have to first agree what LANGUAGE or laws to use
to invoke the universal authority.

Since you don't believe in using the Christian Bible you consider a forgery,
it makes no sense for you to use it.

You'd have to find a frame of reference that others agree with you on
and use that instead. If they don't agree with yours, and you don't
agree with theirs, you can't communicate to get on the same page.

(that's why I asked what is YOUR language for the principles
you believe authentically express the universal truth and authority
from the Almighty. To communicate with YOU, I would use YOUR
terms, not terms of "Christians or the Bible" you find invalid forgeries)

 

[BreezeWood]

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

.

... everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

just for one, what need is there then for your 10000 page document christians have nothing more to go on that requires a messiah ...

Dear BreezeWood

The best use of the Bible is to use it to REDRESS issues
and conflicts with BELIEVERS WHO COMMIT TO THIS SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you
and isn't very useful if you don't follow it or commit to follow it.

For those Christians who do, then it is used to RESOLVE conflicts
and REACH AGREEMENT as in Matthew 18:15-20 on "establishing truth"
by AGREEMENT BETWEEN 2-3 using Scriptural verses and authority.

For Constitutionalists, this process uses Constitutional principles from the
AGREED WRITTEN TEXT that the fellow Constitutionalist "agree to enforce."

For Buddhists, they would cite and form agreements on BUDDHIST principles.

For atheists/nontheists they might cite SCIENTIFIC Methods and demonstrated principles or process.

For each person or group BreezeWood it may be a different
set of laws as their LANGUAGE they agreed to use to communicate
what they agree to live bv and follow.

BTW where you are right, if they find they cannot agree, and have to admit
they are following something else besides the Bible, they might revert to
using natural law principles or science or something else. So even holding
Christians to their own Bible may make them realize that's not what they are following.

When Jesus said give away or sell everything, pick up the Cross and follow me,
how many Christians actually do this? So if they are not truly following the Bible
and what Jesus says in it, what are they really following? A lot of them are
actually secular gentiles following natural laws, and adding Christian faith to that.

.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you -

Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.

you haven't the faintest idea of what you're saying ... practically or spiritually.

the corruption of the religion of antiquity is everyone's concern that is spiritually endowed, lynghtm.

Dear BreezeWood
What I mean is that
* If you are going to REBUKE Christians using
THEIR BIBLE THEY USE to establish what they agree to follow
then it helps if YOU BELIEVE IN THE SAME REFERENCES.

If you and the people you address both agree to the same
REFERENCES to invoke authority of law, then you can
communicate and resolve conflicts BASED ON THAT REFERENCE

* if you do NOT AGREE that their reference is valid
and you don't agree to follow it,
then you and the people you address should
find what REFERENCES YOU DO AGREE ON
and then use THAT as your common frame of reference

there is one universal authority that is governed by the Almighty.
When it comes to LOCAL communication between individuals
then we have to first agree what LANGUAGE or laws to use
to invoke the universal authority.

Since you don't believe in using the Christian Bible you consider a forgery,
it makes no sense for you to use it.

You'd have to find a frame of reference that others agree with you on
and use that instead. If they don't agree with yours, and you don't
agree with theirs, you can't communicate to get on the same page.

(that's why I asked what is YOUR language for the principles
you believe authentically express the universal truth and authority
from the Almighty. To communicate with YOU, I would use YOUR
terms, not terms of "Christians or the Bible" you find invalid forgeries)

.
you are a broken record emily -

when was the last time you altered a forgery ...

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." 2 John 1:9-11

the above is as grandiose a forgery as exists, the church of the roman empire - is upon you emily, good luck.

 

[emilynghiem]

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

.

... everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

just for one, what need is there then for your 10000 page document christians have nothing more to go on that requires a messiah ...

Dear BreezeWood

The best use of the Bible is to use it to REDRESS issues
and conflicts with BELIEVERS WHO COMMIT TO THIS SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you
and isn't very useful if you don't follow it or commit to follow it.

For those Christians who do, then it is used to RESOLVE conflicts
and REACH AGREEMENT as in Matthew 18:15-20 on "establishing truth"
by AGREEMENT BETWEEN 2-3 using Scriptural verses and authority.

For Constitutionalists, this process uses Constitutional principles from the
AGREED WRITTEN TEXT that the fellow Constitutionalist "agree to enforce."

For Buddhists, they would cite and form agreements on BUDDHIST principles.

For atheists/nontheists they might cite SCIENTIFIC Methods and demonstrated principles or process.

For each person or group BreezeWood it may be a different
set of laws as their LANGUAGE they agreed to use to communicate
what they agree to live bv and follow.

BTW where you are right, if they find they cannot agree, and have to admit
they are following something else besides the Bible, they might revert to
using natural law principles or science or something else. So even holding
Christians to their own Bible may make them realize that's not what they are following.

When Jesus said give away or sell everything, pick up the Cross and follow me,
how many Christians actually do this? So if they are not truly following the Bible
and what Jesus says in it, what are they really following? A lot of them are
actually secular gentiles following natural laws, and adding Christian faith to that.

.

If you don't believe in it as your authority, it doesn't apply to you -

Christianity in the 4th century was dominated in its early stage by Constantine the great and the First Council of Nicaea of 325, which was the beginning of the period of the First seven Ecumenical Councils (325–787), and in its late stage by the Edict of Thessalonica of 380, which made Nicene Christianity the state church of the Roman Empire.

you haven't the faintest idea of what you're saying ... practically or spiritually.

the corruption of the religion of antiquity is everyone's concern that is spiritually endowed, lynghtm.

Dear BreezeWood
What I mean is that
* If you are going to REBUKE Christians using
THEIR BIBLE THEY USE to establish what they agree to follow
then it helps if YOU BELIEVE IN THE SAME REFERENCES.

If you and the people you address both agree to the same
REFERENCES to invoke authority of law, then you can
communicate and resolve conflicts BASED ON THAT REFERENCE

* if you do NOT AGREE that their reference is valid
and you don't agree to follow it,
then you and the people you address should
find what REFERENCES YOU DO AGREE ON
and then use THAT as your common frame of reference

there is one universal authority that is governed by the Almighty.
When it comes to LOCAL communication between individuals
then we have to first agree what LANGUAGE or laws to use
to invoke the universal authority.

Since you don't believe in using the Christian Bible you consider a forgery,
it makes no sense for you to use it.

You'd have to find a frame of reference that others agree with you on
and use that instead. If they don't agree with yours, and you don't
agree with theirs, you can't communicate to get on the same page.

(that's why I asked what is YOUR language for the principles
you believe authentically express the universal truth and authority
from the Almighty. To communicate with YOU, I would use YOUR
terms, not terms of "Christians or the Bible" you find invalid forgeries)

.
you are a broken record emily -

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when was the last time you altered a forgery ...

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." 2 John 1:9-11

the above is as grandiose a forgery as exists, the church of the roman empire - is upon you emily, good luck.

Dear BreezeWood
you keep repeating that the Bible is a forgery.

I told you it works to use this reference
for people who use it and communicate with it.

So it works when you use it with people who use it.
No need to alter it.

I can use whatever version of whatever scriptures
people use. Whether it's the Bible or the Bill of Rights.

No need to alter what already works for people.
The key is using the same language of the audience you are addressing.

Sorry you don't get this BreezeWood
You keep repeating the same things because
you don't speak the language of the audience you are addressing.

Best wishes to you, too.

 

[ding]

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I believe everything works itself out according to God’s laws.

Has a more meaningless, useless, vacuous statement ever been uttered? I think not.

You mean excluding every post you have ever made?

 

[ding]

God made them gay and then blamed the victims

God didn't make anybody gay. He made man, woman, and heterosexuality, i.e. sexual reproduction. Homosexuality is due to Adam's sin. It's a choice people make. If you think, they are born that way, then you believe in lies.

^ james bond ^
Yes, you are essentially saying the same thing or referring to the same
PROCESS.
The SIN of the past generations is REVISITED on future generations.
This is called GENERATIONAL sins or curses.
That IS how GOD'S LAWS WORK.

This can be manifested in terms of homosexuality
and now transgender identity.

The causes may be more IN THE WOMB and not so much in the genetics.
The Bible refers to BOTH eunuchs born FROM THEIR MOTHERS' WOMBS
and those MADE BY MAN

Matthew 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way …
For there are eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb:
and there are eunuchs, which were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, which made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

What you are saying when you refer to sins of ADAM
is still by GOD'S LAWS.

Whatever we don't forgive can't be healed so the past
patterns REPEAT.

Yes, it is a choice to forgive.
But if people don't know where these patterns come from
and don't think the conditions can be changed,
then they don't think they have a choice.

I positive ding was using Matthew 19:12 to argue that "eunuchs who were born that way" referred to the argument some gay groups use that Jesus was referring to homosexuals as "born that way.". Of course, we know that God didn't create homosexuals, but ding is pretty adamant that he created him from his interpretation of Jesus..

Dear james bond
My understanding is that "God's laws" of spiritual "cause and effect"
are what governs the process by which people are incarnated in same sex relationships.

Some cases and conditions are from chemical changes in the WOMB
that affect the neurological development, and thus can affect the
gender and orientation of the person.

Some cases and conditions are from ENVIRONMENTAL/SOCIAL factors
such as physical abuse that can affect individuals.

In both types of cases, the spiritual cause of effect of "God's laws"
govern the process.

So if we DON'T forgive and resolve past issues of abuse, these patterns
can repeat. And cause either type of conditioning: either the cases caused
IN THE WOMB or the cases caused by MAN MADE conditions AFTER BIRTH.

That is my understanding of God's process.

And that is why people interpret the Bible to cover all these aspects
that I don't see as conflicting. There are different cases so it takes
all these perspectives to explain what is going on with all of them.

I don't disagree with either you or ding.
What both of you are saying applies equally to cover the whole spectrum.

The common factor and focus is that we work on FORGIVENESS so that
opens the door to let God's healing energy in to correct as much of the
causes and effects of the abuses, so we reduce or eliminate as much of
these adverse conditions and problems as possible. No matter which part
of the process people are experiencing, FORGIVENESS facilitates the ability
to receive healing and correction and recover to the maximum degree.

So that is what I see as the central step to focus on, and everything
else you are both talking about will work itself out by God's laws.

I don't know what is worse. JB worrying about the sins of others or M's patronizing of them.

Have they sinned against you or JB? No. It's between them and God just as your sins are between you and God and any third party that may have been harmed. So, M, I believe the word you are looking for is respect and not forgiveness. They don't owe either of you anything so there is no forgiveness needed on your part.

 

[james bond]

just for one, what need is there then for your 10000 page document christians have nothing more to go on that requires a messiah ...

God left the Bible for us and then he had creation scientists back up his work. Then Satan and his followers created evolution and atheist science, but their science does not back up evolution. Name one thing atheist science backs up.