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[Cellblock2429]

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

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2017 ushers in record low extent
February 7, 2017


Record low daily Arctic ice extents continued through most of January 2017, a pattern that started last October. Extent during late January remained low in the Kara, Barents and Bering Seas. Southern Hemisphere extent also tracked at record low levels for January; globally, sea ice cover remains at record low levels.
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Extent is tracking at records low levels in the Southern Hemisphere, where it is currently summer. As shown in this plot for February 5, this is primarily due to low ice extent within the Amundsen Sea, where only a few scattered patches of ice remain. By contrast, extent in the Weddell Sea is now only slightly below average. This pattern is consistent with persistent above average air temperatures off western Antarctica.

Record low ice at both poles. Three extreme warmups in the Arctic this winter. Yet our 'Conservatives' are still claiming that nothing is happening.

/---- Sure it is Spanky- sure it is

 

[Crick]

Do you have some data that shows something different?

 

[Crick]

You know that from your collection of three or four old photographs that show ice, right?

You think the first pictures we took from space were in 1978? Do you think at all?

I think the first time we ever took a picture from which you could measure the entire pole's ice extents was from a satellite bucko.

There were earlier satellite photos. Here, have a look. They just make things worse.
"Lost" Satellite Photos Reveal Surprising Views of Earth in the 1960s

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Meteorologists refute EPA head on climate change
Source: The Hill

The American Meteorological Society wrote a letter to Pruitt Monday saying he is wrong.

“In reality, the world’s seven billion people are causing climate to change and our emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are the primary cause,” the group’s executive director, Keith Seitter, wrote in the letter.

“This is a conclusion based on the comprehensive assessment of scientific evidence. It is based on multiple independent lines of evidence that have been affirmed by thousands of independent scientists and numerous scientific institutions around the world,” Seitter said. “We are not familiar with any scientific institution with relevant subject matter expertise that has reached a different conclusion.”

He added that “mischaracterizing the science” is not a good place to start in constructive policy debates surrounding climate, and offered his organization’s assistance in helping Pruitt to understand the data.

-snip-

Read more: Meteorologists refute EPA head on climate change


Inside GOP's Latest Effort to Gut Science at the EPA
Two House bills that have been released from committee would effectively prevent the government from using the best available science to protect the public.

 

[SSDD]

Do you have some data that shows something different?

Hell there is all sorts of data that shows how dishonest that graph is...it deliberately starts at a period of peak ice so as not to show the wide variation of coverage...

 

[SSDD]

Meteorologists refute EPA head on climate change
Source: The Hill

The American Meteorological Society wrote a letter to Pruitt Monday saying he is wrong.

“In reality, the world’s seven billion people are causing climate to change and our emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are the primary cause,” the group’s executive director, Keith Seitter, wrote in the letter.

“This is a conclusion based on the comprehensive assessment of scientific evidence. It is based on multiple independent lines of evidence that have been affirmed by thousands of independent scientists and numerous scientific institutions around the world,” Seitter said. “We are not familiar with any scientific institution with relevant subject matter expertise that has reached a different conclusion.”

He added that “mischaracterizing the science” is not a good place to start in constructive policy debates surrounding climate, and offered his organization’s assistance in helping Pruitt to understand the data.

-snip-

Read more: Meteorologists refute EPA head on climate change


Inside GOP's Latest Effort to Gut Science at the EPA
Two House bills that have been released from committee would effectively prevent the government from using the best available science to protect the public.

Tell you what is going to happen...Pruitt et al are going to start asking for some observed, measured, quantified, empirical evidence that supports the claims of this so called consensus...and you know what is going to happen?...only this time it will be happening out in public...the same thing that happens here when I ask for such evidence...no one is going to be able to produce it.

 

[Crick]

Wanna bet?

 

[RollingThunder]

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

← Previous Article
2017 ushers in record low extent
February 7, 2017
Record low daily Arctic ice extents continued through most of January 2017, a pattern that started last October. Extent during late January remained low in the Kara, Barents and Bering Seas. Southern Hemisphere extent also tracked at record low levels for January; globally, sea ice cover remains at record low levels.
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Extent is tracking at records low levels in the Southern Hemisphere, where it is currently summer. As shown in this plot for February 5, this is primarily due to low ice extent within the Amundsen Sea, where only a few scattered patches of ice remain. By contrast, extent in the Weddell Sea is now only slightly below average. This pattern is consistent with persistent above average air temperatures off western Antarctica.

Record low ice at both poles. Three extreme warmups in the Arctic this winter. Yet our 'Conservatives' are still claiming that nothing is happening.

--- Sure it is Spanky- sure it is

Hilarious example of one of the denier cultists favorite delusional arguments....a logical fallacy technically referred to as an 'argument from ignorance'.....or, in this case, just utter stupidity from a denier cult retard.

Argument from Ignorance - (Ad Ignorantium)
LogicallyFallacious
(also known as: appeal to ignorance, absence of evidence, argument from personal astonishment, argument from Incredulity)

 

[SSDD]

Wanna bet?

Typical glassy eyed cultist....see that you are loosing and what do you do?...double down on the fraud...

 

[SSDD]

Hilarious example of one of the denier cultists favorite delusional arguments....a logical fallacy technically referred to as an 'argument from ignorance'.....or, in this case, just utter stupidity from a denier cult retard.

I think it is just too f'ing sweet the way you, a bonified member in good standing of the glassy eyed chanting cult, assign cult names to others and throw them out as if you believe that means something....

 

[Old Rocks]

Now SSo DDumb, when you work as hard as you have to earn the moniker, be pleased with your just deserts.

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Looks like the sea ice at both poles is about 4 standard deviations from normal. It is going to be in interesting year for the scientists that study the Arctic and Antarctic.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

← Previous Article
2017 ushers in record low extent
February 7, 2017
Record low daily Arctic ice extents continued through most of January 2017, a pattern that started last October. Extent during late January remained low in the Kara, Barents and Bering Seas. Southern Hemisphere extent also tracked at record low levels for January; globally, sea ice cover remains at record low levels.
..................................................................................................
Extent is tracking at records low levels in the Southern Hemisphere, where it is currently summer. As shown in this plot for February 5, this is primarily due to low ice extent within the Amundsen Sea, where only a few scattered patches of ice remain. By contrast, extent in the Weddell Sea is now only slightly below average. This pattern is consistent with persistent above average air temperatures off western Antarctica.

Record low ice at both poles. Three extreme warmups in the Arctic this winter. Yet our 'Conservatives' are still claiming that nothing is happening.

--- Sure it is Spanky- sure it is

Hilarious example of one of the denier cultists favorite delusional arguments....a logical fallacy technically referred to as an 'argument from ignorance'.....or, in this case, just utter stupidity from a denier cult retard.

Argument from Ignorance - (Ad Ignorantium)
LogicallyFallacious
(also known as: appeal to ignorance, absence of evidence, argument from personal astonishment, argument from Incredulity)

Oh I hurt your feelings. Maybe this post will soothe your mind:
ClimateGate 2 - NOAA Whistleblower Claims World Leaders Fooled By Fake Global Warming Data
ClimateGate 2 - NOAA Whistleblower Claims World Leaders Fooled By Fake Global Warming Data | Zero Hedge

Dr John Bates' disclosures about the manipulation of data behind the so-called 'Pausebuster' paper is the biggest scientific scandal since 'Climategate' in 2009 when, as Britain's Daily Mail reported, thousands of leaked emails revealed scientists were trying to block access to data, and using a 'trick' to conceal embarrassing flaws in their claims about global warming.

Britain's Mail on Sunday today revealed astonishing evidence that the organisation that is the world’s leading source of climate data rushed to publish a landmark paper that exaggerated global warming and was timed to influence the historic Paris Agreement on climate change.

 

[Crick]

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017...ed-flap-over-high-profile-warming-pause-study

How a culture clash at NOAA led to a flap over a high-profile warming pause study

By Warren Cornwall, Paul VoosenFeb. 8, 2017 , 1:00 PM

A former scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) in Washington, D.C., made waves this past weekend when he alleged that climate scientist Thomas Karl, the former head of a major NOAA technical center, “failed to disclose critical information” to the agency, journal editors, and Congress about the data used in a controversial study published in Science in June 2015. Karl was the lead author of that paper, which concluded that global surface temperatures continued rising in recent years, contrary to earlier suggestions that there had been a “pause” in global warming.

John Bates, who retired from NOAA this past November, made the claims in a post on the prominent blog of Judith Curry, a climate researcher who recently retired from the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta and has walked the line between science and climate contrarians over the past decade. Bates’s complaints were also the centerpiece of a storypublished Sunday by David Rose of the United Kingdom’s The Mail on Sunday, a tabloid, which claimed that national leaders “were strongly influenced” by the “flawed NOAA study” as they finalized the 2015 Paris climate agreement.

Rose's story ricocheted around right-wing media outlets, and was publicized by the Republican-led House of Representatives science committee, which has spent months investigating earlier complaints about the Karl study that is says were raised by an NOAA whistleblower. But ScienceInsider found no evidence of misconduct or violation of agency research policies after extensive interviews with Bates, Karl, and other former NOAA and independent scientists, as well as consideration of documents that Bates also provided to Rose and the Mail.

Instead, the dispute appears to reflect long-standing tensions within NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI), based in Asheville, North Carolina, over how new data sets are used for scientific research. The center is one the nation’s major repositories for vetted earth observing data collected by satellites, ships, buoys, aircraft, and land-based instruments.

In the blog post, Bates says that his complaints provide evidence that Karl had his “thumb on the scale” in an effort to discredit claims of a warming pause, and his team rushed to publish the paper so it could influence national and international climate talks. But Bates does not directly challenge the conclusions of Karl's study, and he never formally raised his concerns through internal NOAA mechanisms.

Tuesday, in an interview with E&E News, Bates himself downplayed any suggestion of misconduct. “The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data, but rather really of timing of a release of a paper that had not properly disclosed everything it was,” he told reporter Scott Waldman. And Bates told ScienceInsider that he is wary of his critique becoming a talking point for those skeptical of human-caused climate change. But it was important for this conversation about data integrity to happen, he says. “That’s where I came down after a lot of soul searching. I knew people would misuse this. But you can't control other people,” he says.

At a House science committee hearing yesterday, Rush Holt, CEO of AAAS (publisher of Science and ScienceInsider) stood by the 2015 paper. "This is not the making of a big scandal—this is an internal dispute between two factions within an agency," Holt said in response to a question from Representative Lamar Smith (R–TX), the panel’s chairman, and a longtime critic of NOAA’s role in the Karl paper. This past weekend, Smith issued a statement hailing Bates for talking about “NOAA’s senior officials playing fast and loose with the data in order to meet a politically predetermined conclusion.”

Some climate scientists are concerned that the hubbub is obscuring the more important message: that the NOAA research has generally proved accurate. “I’m a little confused as to why this is a big deal,” says Zeke Hausfather, a climate scientist with Berkeley Earth, a California nonprofit climate research group that has examined surface temperatures. He’s the lead author of a paper published in January in Science Advances that found Karl’s estimates of sea surface temperature—a key part of the work—matched well with estimates drawn from other methods.

Researchers say the Karl paper’s findings are also in line with findings from the Met Office, the U.K. government’s climate agency, which preceded Karl’s work, and findings in a recent paper by scientists at the European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts, an alliance of 34 states based in Reading, U.K. And although other researchers have reported evidence that the rise in global temperature has slowed recently, they have not challenged the ethics of Karl’s team, or the quality of the data they used.

 

[SSDD]

Now SSo DDumb, when you work as hard as you have to earn the moniker, be pleased with your just deserts.

Moron...my moniker refers to you and yours.... and your charts and claims are just more fake news and fake science...all fake all the time...

 

[RollingThunder]

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

← Previous Article
2017 ushers in record low extent
February 7, 2017
Record low daily Arctic ice extents continued through most of January 2017, a pattern that started last October. Extent during late January remained low in the Kara, Barents and Bering Seas. Southern Hemisphere extent also tracked at record low levels for January; globally, sea ice cover remains at record low levels.
..................................................................................................
Extent is tracking at records low levels in the Southern Hemisphere, where it is currently summer. As shown in this plot for February 5, this is primarily due to low ice extent within the Amundsen Sea, where only a few scattered patches of ice remain. By contrast, extent in the Weddell Sea is now only slightly below average. This pattern is consistent with persistent above average air temperatures off western Antarctica.

Record low ice at both poles. Three extreme warmups in the Arctic this winter. Yet our 'Conservatives' are still claiming that nothing is happening.

--- Sure it is Spanky- sure it is

Hilarious example of one of the denier cultists favorite delusional arguments....a logical fallacy technically referred to as an 'argument from ignorance'.....or, in this case, just utter stupidity from a denier cult retard.
Argument from Ignorance - (Ad Ignorantium)
LogicallyFallacious
(also known as: appeal to ignorance, absence of evidence, argument from personal astonishment, argument from Incredulity)

Oh I hurt your feelings.

Nope! I just laughed a lot at your gullible stupidity, blockhead.

ClimateGate 2 - NOAA Whistleblower Claims World Leaders Fooled By Fake Global Warming Data
ClimateGate 2 - NOAA Whistleblower Claims World Leaders Fooled By Fake Global Warming Data | Zero Hedge

Dr John Bates' disclosures....as Britain's Daily Mail reported.....

And there's even more gullible stupidity from the blockhead!

The Daily Mail is a ditzy Rupert Murdoch rag that has about the same credibility in Britain as The National Enquirer does in this country.

As for Dr. Bates' "disclosures", as Crick just pointed out....
"Dr. Bates himself downplayed any suggestion of misconduct. “The issue here is not an issue of tampering with data, but rather really of timing of a release of a paper that had not properly disclosed everything it was.”
***
Moreover, other independent scientific studies have confirmed those results in the Karl scientific study that Bates was having an issue with....

Global warming data that riled doubters is confirmed
By Jim Spencer
January 4, 2017
WASHINGTON (AP) — A new independent study shows no pause in global warming, confirming a set of temperature readings adjusted by U.S. government scientists that some who reject mainstream climate science have questioned.

The adjustments , made by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in 2015 to take into account changes in how ocean temperatures have been measured over the decades, riled a House committee and others who claimed the changes were made to show rising temperatures. The House Science Committee subpoenaed the agency’s scientists and then complained that NOAA wasn’t answering its requests quickly enough.

The new international study looked at satellite data, readings from buoys and other marine floats for ocean temperatures. Each measurement system independently showed the same 20 years of increase in temperatures that NOAA found: about two-tenths of a degree Fahrenheit per decade since 2000, said the study’s lead author, Zeke Hausfather of the University of California, Berkeley.

“Our research confirms that NOAA scientists were right,” Hausfather said. “They were not in any way cooking the books.”

NOAA adjusted past data to take into account old measurements by ships that often recorded temperatures from their engine rooms, where heat from the engines skewed the data. Buoys and satellite data don’t have such artificial warming, Hausfather said.

In 1990, about 90 percent of the ocean temperature readings were done by ships, now it is about 85 percent by the more accurate buoys, Hausfather said.

Scientists Andrew Dessler of Texas A&M University and Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research, who weren’t part the original study or the more recent one that confirmed its conclusions, called both accurate.

“This paper further allays any qualms that there may have been scientific errors or any non-scientific agendas,” Trenberth said in an email.

Officials at the House Science Committee did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Hausfather’s study was published Wednesday in the journal Science Advances .

 

[RollingThunder]

While the denier cultists irrelevantly argue over their very ignorant and demented cultic delusions and fraudulent myths that have nothing to do with the actual climate science that they can't even begin to understand......

.....in the real world...human caused, CO2-driven global warming is continually making a mockery out of their bamboozled denial of reality....

Canada’s Melting Ice Caps Are a Big Driver of Rising Sea Levels
The Queen Elizabeth Islands’ glaciers – forming the third biggest contributor to sea-level rise after Antarctica and Greenland – are melting at a dramatically increasing rate. Journal author Romain Millan explains why it started happening in 2005.
NewsDeeply
BY Maura Forrest
PUBLISHED ON: Mar. 9, 2017
Canada's northernmost reaches are the Queen Elizabeth Islands, a mass of 13 large islands and hundreds of smaller ones that fan out into the Arctic Ocean just west of Greenland.

There are eight major ice caps and ice fields in the Queen Elizabeth Islands, which account for 25 percent of Arctic land ice, not including Greenland. Many of the glaciers flow directly into marine basins, including the Arctic Ocean, Baffin Bay and Nares Strait.

Before 2000, these glaciers and ice caps were mostly stable. Though they were shrinking slightly, the changes were relatively small from year to year.

But new research published in the journal Environmental Research Letters shows that in 2005 there was a dramatic difference as Arctic temperatures climbed.

ArcticDeeply recently spoke with lead author Romain Millan, a PhD candidate at the University of California, Irvine, who says the Queen Elizabeth Islands are now a major contributor to sea-level rise.

Millan explained how the glaciers of the Queen Elizabeth Islands are changing, how they’re contributing to global sea-level rise and what the future may hold for Canada’s Arctic ice caps.

Romain Millan sets up weather monitoring equipment on Zachariae glacier in northeast Greenland. (Anders Anker Bjørk)

ArcticDeeply: What is happening to the glaciers on the Queen Elizabeth Islands?
Romain Millan: What you have to understand is that there are two main processes that are driving ice loss. You have surface melt and you have discharge of icebergs into the oceanfront n. Before 2005, these two processes were about equal, so the mass losses were equally shared between these two processes. But after 2005, there was a drastic increase in the surface melt due to warmer air temperatures.

Before 2005, the surface melt was at an average of three gigatonnes per year, but after 2005, it increased to 30 gigatonnes of ice per year – so it was multiplied by 10. If we look at the curve of the mass losses, there is an obvious change in 2005. It increased very suddenly.

AD: Did the weather suddenly get much warmer in 2005?
Romain Millan: There was an increase of about 0.5 degrees Celsius (0.9degrees Fahrenheit) between 2005 and present. Warmer temperatures melt ice at the surface of the glaciers. Some might be absorbed on land, but most of the runoff goes into the ocean.

For the period we studied, which is the last 25 years, these glaciers contributed to 1mm (0.04in) of sea-level rise. So if all the glaciers in this region were to melt completely, it would contribute to 8mm (3.4in) of sea-level rise.”

AD: How did you measure this – the ice discharge and the surface melt?
Millan: For the icebergs calving in the ocean, what we did is we gathered ice velocity estimates from satellite data during the last 25 years. After, we combined those data with ice thickness measurements from NASA. When you combine the velocity with the ice thickness measurements, you can infer the ice discharge in the ocean.

And for the surface melt, we used the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model that is developed by European colleagues. Once you have the ice discharge, you combine it with the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model (surface melt estimates) and you have a measure of the total mass losses.

AD: 1mm (0.04in) of sea level rise over 25 years doesn’t sound like all that much. Why should people be concerned about this?
Millan: If the climate continues to warm up as it was projected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, the contribution to sea-level rise is going to continue to increase significantly.

After Greenland and Antarctica, the Queen Elizabeth Islands are the main contributor to sea-level rise. (But) the numbers for Greenland and Antarctica are much larger. If Antarctica were to melt completely, it would contribute to a 70m (230ft) sea-level rise.

AD: To what extent are we locked into this surface melt? Can we change the path these glaciers are taking?
Millan: Carbon dioxide has a very long lifetime in the atmosphere. Even if we stop emissions completely, there will still be CO2 in the atmosphere for years so temperatures will continue to increase. So I have to say I’m not sure if we can do anything to counteract the melt of these glaciers now.

But this study is more of a warning signal about what’s happening to the climate on Earth.

This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.

 

[Cellblock2429]

While the denier cultists irrelevantly argue over their very ignorant and demented cultic delusions and fraudulent myths that have nothing to do with the actual climate science that they can't even begin to understand......

.....in the real world...human caused, CO2-driven global warming is continually making a mockery out of their bamboozled denial of reality....

Canada’s Melting Ice Caps Are a Big Driver of Rising Sea Levels
The Queen Elizabeth Islands’ glaciers – forming the third biggest contributor to sea-level rise after Antarctica and Greenland – are melting at a dramatically increasing rate. Journal author Romain Millan explains why it started happening in 2005.
NewsDeeply
BY Maura Forrest
PUBLISHED ON: Mar. 9, 2017
Canada's northernmost reaches are the Queen Elizabeth Islands, a mass of 13 large islands and hundreds of smaller ones that fan out into the Arctic Ocean just west of Greenland.

There are eight major ice caps and ice fields in the Queen Elizabeth Islands, which account for 25 percent of Arctic land ice, not including Greenland. Many of the glaciers flow directly into marine basins, including the Arctic Ocean, Baffin Bay and Nares Strait.

Before 2000, these glaciers and ice caps were mostly stable. Though they were shrinking slightly, the changes were relatively small from year to year.

But new research published in the journal Environmental Research Letters shows that in 2005 there was a dramatic difference as Arctic temperatures climbed.

ArcticDeeply recently spoke with lead author Romain Millan, a PhD candidate at the University of California, Irvine, who says the Queen Elizabeth Islands are now a major contributor to sea-level rise.

Millan explained how the glaciers of the Queen Elizabeth Islands are changing, how they’re contributing to global sea-level rise and what the future may hold for Canada’s Arctic ice caps.

Romain Millan sets up weather monitoring equipment on Zachariae glacier in northeast Greenland. (Anders Anker Bjørk)

ArcticDeeply: What is happening to the glaciers on the Queen Elizabeth Islands?
Romain Millan: What you have to understand is that there are two main processes that are driving ice loss. You have surface melt and you have discharge of icebergs into the oceanfront n. Before 2005, these two processes were about equal, so the mass losses were equally shared between these two processes. But after 2005, there was a drastic increase in the surface melt due to warmer air temperatures.

Before 2005, the surface melt was at an average of three gigatonnes per year, but after 2005, it increased to 30 gigatonnes of ice per year – so it was multiplied by 10. If we look at the curve of the mass losses, there is an obvious change in 2005. It increased very suddenly.

AD: Did the weather suddenly get much warmer in 2005?
Romain Millan: There was an increase of about 0.5 degrees Celsius (0.9degrees Fahrenheit) between 2005 and present. Warmer temperatures melt ice at the surface of the glaciers. Some might be absorbed on land, but most of the runoff goes into the ocean.

For the period we studied, which is the last 25 years, these glaciers contributed to 1mm (0.04in) of sea-level rise. So if all the glaciers in this region were to melt completely, it would contribute to 8mm (3.4in) of sea-level rise.”

AD: How did you measure this – the ice discharge and the surface melt?
Millan: For the icebergs calving in the ocean, what we did is we gathered ice velocity estimates from satellite data during the last 25 years. After, we combined those data with ice thickness measurements from NASA. When you combine the velocity with the ice thickness measurements, you can infer the ice discharge in the ocean.

And for the surface melt, we used the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model that is developed by European colleagues. Once you have the ice discharge, you combine it with the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model (surface melt estimates) and you have a measure of the total mass losses.

AD: 1mm (0.04in) of sea level rise over 25 years doesn’t sound like all that much. Why should people be concerned about this?
Millan: If the climate continues to warm up as it was projected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, the contribution to sea-level rise is going to continue to increase significantly.

After Greenland and Antarctica, the Queen Elizabeth Islands are the main contributor to sea-level rise. (But) the numbers for Greenland and Antarctica are much larger. If Antarctica were to melt completely, it would contribute to a 70m (230ft) sea-level rise.

AD: To what extent are we locked into this surface melt? Can we change the path these glaciers are taking?
Millan: Carbon dioxide has a very long lifetime in the atmosphere. Even if we stop emissions completely, there will still be CO2 in the atmosphere for years so temperatures will continue to increase. So I have to say I’m not sure if we can do anything to counteract the melt of these glaciers now.

But this study is more of a warning signal about what’s happening to the climate on Earth.

This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.

/---- To stop this you need to pay more in taxes. Now get out your check book and start sending more $$$$ to Washington. Chop Chop.

 

[Cellblock2429]

While the denier cultists irrelevantly argue over their very ignorant and demented cultic delusions and fraudulent myths that have nothing to do with the actual climate science that they can't even begin to understand......

.....in the real world...human caused, CO2-driven global warming is continually making a mockery out of their bamboozled denial of reality....

Canada’s Melting Ice Caps Are a Big Driver of Rising Sea Levels
/---- Un Oh
The Queen Elizabeth Islands’ glaciers – forming the third biggest contributor to sea-level rise after Antarctica and Greenland – are melting at a dramatically increasing rate. Journal author Romain Millan explains why it started happening in 2005.
NewsDeeply
BY Maura Forrest
PUBLISHED ON: Mar. 9, 2017
Canada's northernmost reaches are the Queen Elizabeth Islands, a mass of 13 large islands and hundreds of smaller ones that fan out into the Arctic Ocean just west of Greenland.

There are eight major ice caps and ice fields in the Queen Elizabeth Islands, which account for 25 percent of Arctic land ice, not including Greenland. Many of the glaciers flow directly into marine basins, including the Arctic Ocean, Baffin Bay and Nares Strait.

Before 2000, these glaciers and ice caps were mostly stable. Though they were shrinking slightly, the changes were relatively small from year to year.

But new research published in the journal Environmental Research Letters shows that in 2005 there was a dramatic difference as Arctic temperatures climbed.

ArcticDeeply recently spoke with lead author Romain Millan, a PhD candidate at the University of California, Irvine, who says the Queen Elizabeth Islands are now a major contributor to sea-level rise.

Millan explained how the glaciers of the Queen Elizabeth Islands are changing, how they’re contributing to global sea-level rise and what the future may hold for Canada’s Arctic ice caps.

Romain Millan sets up weather monitoring equipment on Zachariae glacier in northeast Greenland. (Anders Anker Bjørk)

ArcticDeeply: What is happening to the glaciers on the Queen Elizabeth Islands?
Romain Millan: What you have to understand is that there are two main processes that are driving ice loss. You have surface melt and you have discharge of icebergs into the oceanfront n. Before 2005, these two processes were about equal, so the mass losses were equally shared between these two processes. But after 2005, there was a drastic increase in the surface melt due to warmer air temperatures.

Before 2005, the surface melt was at an average of three gigatonnes per year, but after 2005, it increased to 30 gigatonnes of ice per year – so it was multiplied by 10. If we look at the curve of the mass losses, there is an obvious change in 2005. It increased very suddenly.

AD: Did the weather suddenly get much warmer in 2005?
Romain Millan: There was an increase of about 0.5 degrees Celsius (0.9degrees Fahrenheit) between 2005 and present. Warmer temperatures melt ice at the surface of the glaciers. Some might be absorbed on land, but most of the runoff goes into the ocean.

For the period we studied, which is the last 25 years, these glaciers contributed to 1mm (0.04in) of sea-level rise. So if all the glaciers in this region were to melt completely, it would contribute to 8mm (3.4in) of sea-level rise.”

AD: How did you measure this – the ice discharge and the surface melt?
Millan: For the icebergs calving in the ocean, what we did is we gathered ice velocity estimates from satellite data during the last 25 years. After, we combined those data with ice thickness measurements from NASA. When you combine the velocity with the ice thickness measurements, you can infer the ice discharge in the ocean.

And for the surface melt, we used the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model that is developed by European colleagues. Once you have the ice discharge, you combine it with the Regional Atmospheric Climate Model (surface melt estimates) and you have a measure of the total mass losses.

AD: 1mm (0.04in) of sea level rise over 25 years doesn’t sound like all that much. Why should people be concerned about this?
Millan: If the climate continues to warm up as it was projected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, the contribution to sea-level rise is going to continue to increase significantly.

After Greenland and Antarctica, the Queen Elizabeth Islands are the main contributor to sea-level rise. (But) the numbers for Greenland and Antarctica are much larger. If Antarctica were to melt completely, it would contribute to a 70m (230ft) sea-level rise.

AD: To what extent are we locked into this surface melt? Can we change the path these glaciers are taking?
Millan: Carbon dioxide has a very long lifetime in the atmosphere. Even if we stop emissions completely, there will still be CO2 in the atmosphere for years so temperatures will continue to increase. So I have to say I’m not sure if we can do anything to counteract the melt of these glaciers now.

But this study is more of a warning signal about what’s happening to the climate on Earth.

This interview has been edited for clarity and brevity.

/---- Uh Oh ---- NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses ...
https://www.nasa.gov/.../nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-loss...
Oct 30, 2015 - Scientists calculate how much the ice sheet is growing or shrinking ...... of old ice (5 years or older) left throughout the Arctic sea ice cap during ...

 

[polarbear]

Der Spiegel is Germany`s New York Times version of idiotic left wing propaganda.
Yesterday they featured an article that cited a bunch of ice-hole "scientists" suggesting this hair-brained study:
Arctic ice management
1.1 The Urgent Need to Deal With Climate Change
The climate is warming, and the rate of change is highest in the Arctic, where summer ice is vanishing at an accelerating rate. According to the 2013 Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the warming of the atmosphere and ocean system is unequivocal
We propose that winter ice thickening by wind-powered pumps be considered and assessed as part of a multipronged strategy for restoring sea ice and arresting the strongest feedbacks in the climate system.We propose that winter ice thickening by wind-powered pumps be considered and assessed as part of a multipronged strategy for restoring sea ice and arresting the strongest feedbacks in the climate system.
.....we consider the idea to be worthy of future study. (We note that Sev Clarke also has suggested building “Ice Shields” by having wind-pumped seawater brought to the surface to freeze, adding to a growing lens of ice.
Another batch of these ice-holes "calculated" that a flight from Europe to San Francisco causes the melting of 5 square meters of ice.
Which goes to show that these "scientists" have gone into full retard mode.
They claim they can do the math to show that 400ppm CO2 + the CO2 from that airplane is 400+ 0.00000000000....?00x ppm globally and that melts 5 m^2 of arctic ice.
Instead of admitting that they used the phony CO2 & ice cover correlation and apportioned an estimated part of that CO2 to aviation which was then divided by the average number of transatlantic flights....which is exactly the same way idiots like Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi would "calculate" it for their flock of sheep heads.

 

[Wuwei]

energy moves from cool to warm in violation of the second law of thermodynamics

Troll. Millions of scientists say you are wrong when it comes to radiation exchange. Your opinion is meaningless, troll.