AP: Ron Paul platform no longer "fringe"...is now mainstream.

[Auxous]

...lol what?

The fact Paul, an obvious Libertarian, wears Republican clothing. It's dishonest.

Why don't you listen to his message rather than get caught up with petty labels.

Are you capable of it?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Come on man, It's already half done. Crazy lolcat is crazy about drugs and crazy about Hamas and crazy about earmarks. The image is a cat with a doobie hanging out of it's mouth, wearing a suicide vest with stacks of money marked "taxpayer" hanging out everywhere.

I mean, I figure if we're just going to tear down each others candidates...we should go all out. Right?

that sounds like rick perry cat

I can see you aren't getting the point.

The point I'm making is, it isn't smart to tear down each others candidates.

Draw comparisons? Yes. Critique? Yes.

Attack. No.

If Paul wins, you're going to need my support, and if Perry wins, I'm going to need yours.

Animosity is our enemy.

If Perry wins you shouldn't hold your breath on him getting much support from Ron Paul supporters. I know I would never vote for him.

 

[Divine Wind]

...lol what?

The fact Paul, an obvious Libertarian, wears Republican clothing. It's dishonest.

Why don't you listen to his message rather than get caught up with petty labels.

Are you capable of it?

Yes, I am. Are you capable of coherent discussion above the level of petty insults?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Well, at least the Socialist Worker's Party ticket. Still doesn't say much about Paul when you compare him to Obama, does it?

extreme liberty vs. extreme tyranny

Gee, tough choice, right?

More like tyranny vs. tyranny. It's good that you refuse to deny Paul is lying running as a Republican.

How is he lying? He's a member of the Republican Party, therefore he's running as a Republican. Where does it say that you have to be a conservative to be a member of the Republican Party?

 

[Divine Wind]

If Perry wins you shouldn't hold your breath on him getting much support from Ron Paul supporters. I know I would never vote for him.

The sums up the greatest dilemma for Republicans in the 2012 election, we can't seem to unify behind a single candidate. Like Pawlenty and members of the Tea Party, we're too busy tearing each other down rather than seeking to find ways to work together. It's splitting the Party and weakening us in running against the DNC.

 

[IndependntLogic]

by that logic obama should have ran on the communist party ticket.

Well, at least the Socialist Worker's Party ticket. Still doesn't say much about Paul when you compare him to Obama, does it?

extreme liberty vs. extreme tyranny

Gee, tough choice, right?

Paul vs. Obama would definitely be a tough choice for me. Obama has been a sh*tty president, no doubt about it. But Ron Paul? As another poster pointed out, every time the guy talks, I like him! Until he says something so far off the reservation, that I think he's kiddding. But he isn't.

 

[Divine Wind]

How is he lying? He's a member of the Republican Party, therefore he's running as a Republican. Where does it say that you have to be a conservative to be a member of the Republican Party?

Are you denying Ron Paul is a Libertarian? If he was an honest man, wouldn't he run as one?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If Perry wins you shouldn't hold your breath on him getting much support from Ron Paul supporters. I know I would never vote for him.

The sums up the greatest dilemma for Republicans in the 2012 election, we can't seem to unify behind a single candidate. Like Pawlenty and members of the Tea Party, we're too busy tearing each other down rather than seeking to find ways to work together. It's splitting the Party and weakening us in running against the DNC.

That doesn't really bother me. I vote for the candidate that I want to be President, not the party.

 

[Auxous]

The fact Paul, an obvious Libertarian, wears Republican clothing. It's dishonest.

Why don't you listen to his message rather than get caught up with petty labels.

Are you capable of it?

Yes, I am. Are you capable of coherent discussion above the level of petty insults?

I am sorry, I thought one of your main contentions (which is pretty darn petty) with Paul in this thread is that he is running as a Republican rather than a Libertarian.

I must have confused you with another person.

 

[dblack]

Paul has the Ability to say some very smart things. I love his ideas about auditing the Fed, However His Isolationist Foreign Policy Ideas are not Practical in a Global Economy.

The dude never fails to ruin a good speech with one or two wacky statements. Not a real contender for the WH, and everyone knows it.

This has become like a refrain for the neo-cons. Is Karl Rove writing this stuff?

 

[Avorysuds]

Once a fringe candidate, Paul shaping 2012 race - Yahoo! News

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Ron Paul, once seen as a fringe candidate and a nuisance to the establishment, is shaping the 2012 Republican primary by giving voice to the party's libertarian wing and reflecting frustration with the United States' international entanglements.

glad he is getting a little bit of attention...far less than he deserves though.

Paul has the Ability to say some very smart things. I love his ideas about auditing the Fed, However His Isolationist Foreign Policy Ideas are not Practical in a Global Economy.

The dude never fails to ruin a good speech with one or two wacky statements. Not a real contender for the WH, and everyone knows it.

Normally I like you but if you could do me a favor and look up the word "isolationist" and get back to us on how it applys correctly to Ron Paul... I really hope you do this because it comes off like you want to talk shit so you just use false attacks and I'd hate to think you were like that.

 

[Charles_Main]

He has some good ideas, but his foreign policy and ideas on the military are very idealistic as opposed to realistic.

Where has realism gotten us so far? 5-9 wars with no end in site, around $4 trillion spent, thousands of American lives and over a hundred of thousand of civilian lives.

Unless Paul wins the Presidency, don't expect the next President to end this mess during the the next term.

We may have made some mistakes, Buy what he wants to do is not the answer. We tried it before. Isolationism will not work, Especially not today in this Global Economy. We found out the hard way what happens when we do not project our power around the world. It only means that when the problems finally touch us at home, they are much bigger, and harder to deal with.

Does he have some good points about some of the countries we choose to support? hell yes, Do I think we should close all our bases around the world and bring all our troops home? hell no.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

How is he lying? He's a member of the Republican Party, therefore he's running as a Republican. Where does it say that you have to be a conservative to be a member of the Republican Party?

Are you denying Ron Paul is a Libertarian? If he was an honest man, wouldn't he run as one?

I'm not denying that Ron Paul is a libertarian, and neither is he. Stephen Colbert asked him that question directly during one of their interviews and Ron Paul responded that he is indeed a libertarian. He tried that back in 1988 and it got him nowhere. When the Republicans and Democrats change the laws so that third parties have an equal and fair opportunity to compete in elections maybe Ron Paul supporters will give the Libertarian Party another shot, but it's not likely to happen. If you want to be a serious candidate you have to run as a Republican or a Democrat. Now Republicans talk about how they want to limit the size of government, well we libertarians want to limit the size of government too so why is it dishonest for us to be a part of the Republican Party?

 

[Charles_Main]

Once a fringe candidate, Paul shaping 2012 race - Yahoo! News



glad he is getting a little bit of attention...far less than he deserves though.

Paul has the Ability to say some very smart things. I love his ideas about auditing the Fed, However His Isolationist Foreign Policy Ideas are not Practical in a Global Economy.

The dude never fails to ruin a good speech with one or two wacky statements. Not a real contender for the WH, and everyone knows it.

Normally I like you but if you could do me a favor and look up the word "isolationist" and get back to us on how it applys correctly to Ron Paul... I really hope you do this because it comes off like you want to talk shit so you just use false attacks and I'd hate to think you were like that.

Do you deny that he wants to bring all our troops home, and "stop meddling" around the world? That is Part and parcel of Isolationism, and it shows that he does not understand the world as it is today. We can not afford to pretend we can just stick our heads in the sand and mind our own Business and everything will be just fine. That is simply not practical, and frankly pretty childish.

I am not sure why were even having this debate. Despite the meaningless straw Poll. Which only 1 winner of has ever gone on to be the president, Paul is not a serious Candidate for the WH. He can not win the General Election.

We are wasting our time here.

I rather talk about how upsetting it is to me that MB won lol. Looks to me like despite the Tea Party and the mood for Fiscal Conservatism, were still stuck with Social Conservatives calling the shots and it pisses me off.

 

[dblack]

Are you denying Ron Paul is a Libertarian? If he was an honest man, wouldn't he run as one?

Ron Paul is trying to change the Republican party. To push out the neo-cons and the statists and reinvigorate the ideas of constitutionally limited government.

 

[dblack]

Do you deny that he wants to bring all our troops home, and "stop meddling" around the world? That is Part and parcel of Isolationism

No. It isn't. There is a huge middle ground between isolationism and having military bases in every other nation on the planet. We don't need to rule the world to defend ourselves.

 

[Auxous]

He has some good ideas, but his foreign policy and ideas on the military are very idealistic as opposed to realistic.

Where has realism gotten us so far? 5-9 wars with no end in site, around $4 trillion spent, thousands of American lives and over a hundred of thousand of civilian lives.

Unless Paul wins the Presidency, don't expect the next President to end this mess during the the next term.

We may have made some mistakes, Buy what he wants to do is not the answer. We tried it before. Isolationism will not work, Especially not today in this Global Economy. We found out the hard way what happens when we do not project our power around the world. It only means that when the problems finally touch us at home, they are much bigger, and harder to deal with.

Does he have some good points about some of the countries we choose to support? hell yes, Do I think we should close all our bases around the world and bring all our troops home? hell no.

You don't fully understand Paul's stance. You keep using isolationist. He is not. In fact, our current foreign policy is more isolationist than Paul's. Our current foreign policy isolates countries all the time. In fact, Paul wants to stop our direct and indirect isolationist policies and focus on diplomacy and trade.

 

[Vast LWC]

Jon Stewart had a great bit tonight about how the media was intentionally ignoring Paul tonight, even though Paul actually represents what the "Tea Party" claims to be about (in public anyway).

 

[Vast LWC]

You don't fully understand Paul's stance. You keep using isolationist. He is not. In fact, our current foreign policy is more isolationist than Paul's. Our current foreign policy isolates countries all the time. In fact, Paul wants to stop our direct and indirect isolationist policies and focus on diplomacy and trade.

Err, not for nothing, but the term "isolationism" generally refers to "isolating" your own country, not other individual nations.

 

[dblack]

Jon Stewart had a great bit tonight about how the media was intentionally ignoring Paul tonight, even though Paul actually represents what the "Tea Party" claims to be about (in public anyway).

Yeah... I wanna see that. Stewart's been a hero of mine since he fucked them up on Crossfire.