AOC wants to ban bump stocks

Actually you are (a "stupid moron"***)
She is not yet 30, her life experience at 10 was Columbine, and since then these are the numbers of mass shootings since then:
List of Mass Shootings Since Columbine Massacre
***quote from post #4
Reality:
1982-2018, about 4 kids die each year in school shootings; less than 2 of these are killed with 'assault weapons'
Kids are two orders of magnitude more likely to die on a school bus than in a school shooting.

No one is talking about school bus accidents, which - unless you have facts to prove otherwise - are accidents and not planned events.

School bus drivers are vetted, licensed and trained, not all gun owners are.


The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

And the reason the cops went to the LE6920 (AR-15) was because they found they were outgunned. Better for them to outgun than the other way around.
 
Actually you are (a "stupid moron"***)
She is not yet 30, her life experience at 10 was Columbine, and since then these are the numbers of mass shootings since then:
List of Mass Shootings Since Columbine Massacre
***quote from post #4
Reality:
1982-2018, about 4 kids die each year in school shootings; less than 2 of these are killed with 'assault weapons'
Kids are two orders of magnitude more likely to die on a school bus than in a school shooting.

No one is talking about school bus accidents, which - unless you have facts to prove otherwise - are accidents and not planned events.

School bus drivers are vetted, licensed and trained, not all gun owners are.


The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

Actually, you can. There is nothing in the Laws anywhere that says you can't unless it's the State Laws. As for Colt and FN, there is Federal Policies that prevent them from selling the full dress M-4 to anyone that is not in either the Military (i.e. Federal or National Guard) or Law Enforcement (I.E. FBI, etc.). But the weapons have to remain in the armory and can NEVER be taken home. For the Federals, it's Federal Policies. For the States, it's State Policies. This includes in California where the Law Enforcement has the LE6920 (ar) but when they go off duty, it has to go back to the armory since even an off duty cop can't have them.
 
I think bumb stocks are silly, but it is illegal to make illegal that which people already own.
The legal principle is called ex post facto.
It is against the law to confiscate a single of them.

What they do is Grandfather them. If you ain't got one, you can't buy, sell or trade for one. You keep worrying that us Gun Grabbers dressed in Black Fatigues, wearing Baculvas will arrive in the dead of the night in our black choopers and our government surplus Armored Personnel Carriers, kick in all your doors and windows and fight you to the death for your weapons. Okay, that does sound like an exciting evening but I doubt if we have the time. We are too busy taking illegal children out of their mothers arms.

While they did that with machineguns, so that those owned before 1986 were grandfathered in, no one is going to report theirs, so then there will be no database that will allow anyone to tell if it is new or old and pre-existing.
In fact, all government can legally do is prevent licensed dealers from selling them. They really have no legal basis to prevent anyone from making them from scratch. According to George Washington, every responsible adult is supposed to ensure they are armed with the latest military grade personal weapons. Was he wrong? I don't see how? A blunderbuss from back then could kill a dozen people with one pull of the trigger.
In 1776, the US population was about 2.5 million. The population is about 132 times larger now. So then the scale would be the same if you could kill 132 people with every single shot.
 
Reality:
1982-2018, about 4 kids die each year in school shootings; less than 2 of these are killed with 'assault weapons'
Kids are two orders of magnitude more likely to die on a school bus than in a school shooting.

No one is talking about school bus accidents, which - unless you have facts to prove otherwise - are accidents and not planned events.

School bus drivers are vetted, licensed and trained, not all gun owners are.


The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

And the reason the cops went to the LE6920 (AR-15) was because they found they were outgunned. Better for them to outgun than the other way around.

Actually no.
No one is attacking the police to rob them.
England proves that ordinary police are better off unarmed, and they are safer then as well.
Police must never be better armed than the general population, or else you have a police state and no longer have a democratic republic.
It is average citizens who are attacked and need to defend themselves, from criminals, gangs, and dictators.
As well as disasters, invasions, civil wars, riots, etc.
Again, remember the LA riots.
los-angeles-riots-smiling-korean-700x467.jpg
 
I think bumb stocks are silly, but it is illegal to make illegal that which people already own.
The legal principle is called ex post facto.
It is against the law to confiscate a single of them.

What they do is Grandfather them. If you ain't got one, you can't buy, sell or trade for one. You keep worrying that us Gun Grabbers dressed in Black Fatigues, wearing Baculvas will arrive in the dead of the night in our black choopers and our government surplus Armored Personnel Carriers, kick in all your doors and windows and fight you to the death for your weapons. Okay, that does sound like an exciting evening but I doubt if we have the time. We are too busy taking illegal children out of their mothers arms.

While they did that with machineguns, so that those owned before 1986 were grandfathered in, no one is going to report theirs, so then there will be no database that will allow anyone to tell if it is new or old and pre-existing.
In fact, all government can legally do is prevent licensed dealers from selling them. They really have no legal basis to prevent anyone from making them from scratch. According to George Washington, every responsible adult is supposed to ensure they are armed with the latest military grade personal weapons. Was he wrong? I don't see how? A blunderbuss from back then could kill a dozen people with one pull of the trigger.
In 1776, the US population was about 2.5 million. The population is about 132 times larger now. So then the scale would be the same if you could kill 132 people with every single shot.

If you read the Laws on Full Auto Weapons, you will find that you need a license to produce it. And it's going to be damned hard to get that license. Producing it without that license will net you a visit to he pokey and a large fine.
 
No one is talking about school bus accidents, which - unless you have facts to prove otherwise - are accidents and not planned events.

School bus drivers are vetted, licensed and trained, not all gun owners are.


The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

And the reason the cops went to the LE6920 (AR-15) was because they found they were outgunned. Better for them to outgun than the other way around.

Actually no.
No one is attacking the police to rob them.
England proves that ordinary police are better off unarmed, and they are safer then as well.
Police must never be better armed than the general population, or else you have a police state and no longer have a democratic republic.
It is average citizens who are attacked and need to defend themselves, from criminals, gangs, and dictators.
As well as disasters, invasions, civil wars, riots, etc.
Again, remember the LA riots.
los-angeles-riots-smiling-korean-700x467.jpg

Try thinking like a cop. They originally went to battle with the gangs with essentially a bunch of 38 special Ruger Revolvers. After heavy losses to semi auto firearms, they uparmed. You use England as an example. Downtown Detroit and Chicago have almost nothing in common with London.
 
Reality:
1982-2018, about 4 kids die each year in school shootings; less than 2 of these are killed with 'assault weapons'
Kids are two orders of magnitude more likely to die on a school bus than in a school shooting.

No one is talking about school bus accidents, which - unless you have facts to prove otherwise - are accidents and not planned events.

School bus drivers are vetted, licensed and trained, not all gun owners are.


The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

Actually, you can. There is nothing in the Laws anywhere that says you can't unless it's the State Laws. As for Colt and FN, there is Federal Policies that prevent them from selling the full dress M-4 to anyone that is not in either the Military (i.e. Federal or National Guard) or Law Enforcement (I.E. FBI, etc.). But the weapons have to remain in the armory and can NEVER be taken home. For the Federals, it's Federal Policies. For the States, it's State Policies. This includes in California where the Law Enforcement has the LE6920 (ar) but when they go off duty, it has to go back to the armory since even an off duty cop can't have them.

Yes, but first of all the government has made it increasingly cost prohibitive, and second is that really this thread is about confiscation of what people should legally be able to have. There are so many tens of thousands of gun laws, that it is an extremely threatening environment. For example, the 1999 school zone law says you can't be within 1000 feet of a school with a gun, and that includes driving by a school with a gun in the trunk. That clearly is illegal and wrong, because when I was in high school, 2 died from knife fights, and the PTA insisted some teachers and staff be armed at all times.
 
The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

And the reason the cops went to the LE6920 (AR-15) was because they found they were outgunned. Better for them to outgun than the other way around.

Actually no.
No one is attacking the police to rob them.
England proves that ordinary police are better off unarmed, and they are safer then as well.
Police must never be better armed than the general population, or else you have a police state and no longer have a democratic republic.
It is average citizens who are attacked and need to defend themselves, from criminals, gangs, and dictators.
As well as disasters, invasions, civil wars, riots, etc.
Again, remember the LA riots.
los-angeles-riots-smiling-korean-700x467.jpg

Try thinking like a cop. They originally went to battle with the gangs with essentially a bunch of 38 special Ruger Revolvers. After heavy losses to semi auto firearms, they uparmed. You use England as an example. Downtown Detroit and Chicago have almost nothing in common with London.

Cops should try thinking more like founders.
There is no legal basis for the War on Drugs.
Just like Prohibition created heavily armed gangs to protect the profits from alcohol that they could not put into banks, the War on Drugs caused the exact same violence to happen again.
So then the heavily armed gangs are entirely and completely the fault of the police themselves.
They have no one else to blame, and attempting to simply increase firepower instead of ending the illegal war on drugs, only made everything much worse.
Added to this horrendous fisasco is also the illegal asset forfeitures, the expense of incarcerating half a million nonviolent offenders needlessly, and and tens of millions of people made ineligible to vote.
 
No one is talking about school bus accidents, which - unless you have facts to prove otherwise - are accidents and not planned events.

School bus drivers are vetted, licensed and trained, not all gun owners are.


The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

Actually, you can. There is nothing in the Laws anywhere that says you can't unless it's the State Laws. As for Colt and FN, there is Federal Policies that prevent them from selling the full dress M-4 to anyone that is not in either the Military (i.e. Federal or National Guard) or Law Enforcement (I.E. FBI, etc.). But the weapons have to remain in the armory and can NEVER be taken home. For the Federals, it's Federal Policies. For the States, it's State Policies. This includes in California where the Law Enforcement has the LE6920 (ar) but when they go off duty, it has to go back to the armory since even an off duty cop can't have them.

Yes, but first of all the government has made it increasingly cost prohibitive, and second is that really this thread is about confiscation of what people should legally be able to have. There are so many tens of thousands of gun laws, that it is an extremely threatening environment. For example, the 1999 school zone law says you can't be within 1000 feet of a school with a gun, and that includes driving by a school with a gun in the trunk. That clearly is illegal and wrong, because when I was in high school, 2 died from knife fights, and the PTA insisted some teachers and staff be armed at all times.

It's still 1000 feet around here. And we thwarted a school shooting because of that. The idiot was walking towards a school gate wearing a friggin rain coat on a sunny day covering his father's AR and the extra 30 round mags. He made it about 40 feet more before the cops swarmed all over him. It's not really a bad law.

As for armed Teachers, our Teachers could be armed by State Law. But the Teachers Association 100% voted against that. They went what was behind door #2 and went for heightened security instead. Guess what, they were right.
 
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter

How many of you liberals are with her on this???


Go AOC go AOC go go go AOC!!!

Man you and the people below cheering and jeering this are as fucked up as she is, Trump already banned the bump stock.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e-rules/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cfa539a3b84c

First of all, I don't care to subscribe to the Washington Post to read it.

Now for the meat. The President use an EO to do it. That means that ANY subsequent president can override it. But by making it a Congressional full blown bill and signed by the President, it will take one hell of a lot more to over ride it. This actually makes sense. Wow, one thing that Congress (both R and D) and the President actually working together on. What is that, one in a row?
 
Funny, I am still waiting for anyone to bring a bump stock in my store for a full refund...

Out of the dozens of dozens I have sold over the last couple years... I guess they all vanished like fart in the wind. Lol
 
The failure of the general US population to be armed and trained so that mercenaries like paid police and military take over instead, cost the lives of millions of Vietnamese, about a million innocent Mideasterners, and destroyed the lives of millions of Blacks in the US.here
Without a mercenary military, with its for profit Military Industrial Complex, none of these fake and illegal wars would have happened. If not for gun control causing us to need police, there would be no War on Drugs, no illegal murders of unarmed Blacks, etc.

Clearly the only possible goal of any gun control is to create even more of a fascist police state.
The idea of trying to make society safer by making it harder for honest people to get weapons, is insane, anti-democratic, and clearly illegal. There is no authorization in the Constitution for any federal weapons laws at all. Not a single one.

And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

Actually, you can. There is nothing in the Laws anywhere that says you can't unless it's the State Laws. As for Colt and FN, there is Federal Policies that prevent them from selling the full dress M-4 to anyone that is not in either the Military (i.e. Federal or National Guard) or Law Enforcement (I.E. FBI, etc.). But the weapons have to remain in the armory and can NEVER be taken home. For the Federals, it's Federal Policies. For the States, it's State Policies. This includes in California where the Law Enforcement has the LE6920 (ar) but when they go off duty, it has to go back to the armory since even an off duty cop can't have them.

Yes, but first of all the government has made it increasingly cost prohibitive, and second is that really this thread is about confiscation of what people should legally be able to have. There are so many tens of thousands of gun laws, that it is an extremely threatening environment. For example, the 1999 school zone law says you can't be within 1000 feet of a school with a gun, and that includes driving by a school with a gun in the trunk. That clearly is illegal and wrong, because when I was in high school, 2 died from knife fights, and the PTA insisted some teachers and staff be armed at all times.

It's still 1000 feet around here. And we thwarted a school shooting because of that. The idiot was walking towards a school gate wearing a friggin rain coat on a sunny day covering his father's AR and the extra 30 round mags. He made it about 40 feet more before the cops swarmed all over him. It's not really a bad law.

As for armed Teachers, our Teachers could be armed by State Law. But the Teachers Association 100% voted against that. They went what was behind door #2 and went for heightened security instead. Guess what, they were right.

The only source of authority in a democratic republic is the defense of the rights of individuals.
Whose rights are defended by arresting someone for driving within 1000 feet of a school with a rifle in their truck.
The answer is no one.
Therefore the laws should be more specific, such as actually stepping onto school grounds with a loaded weapons that they did not have permission from the school to have on school property.
That would be legal.
The 1999 law is illegal because it is federal, and because it goes way beyond what is necessary for safety.
 
Funny, I am still waiting for anyone to bring a bump stock in my store for a full refund...

Out of the dozens of dozens I have sold over the last couple years... I guess they all vanished like fart in the wind. Lol

Maybe they all broke already. Let's face it, they weren't exactly made with that great of a material. Besides, those that have them will just put them in the basement. They can't do any harm there.
 
And there is nothing in there about NOT having them at state level either.


Sure. Some weapons regulations at the state and local level is to be expected, just not federal.

However, under the 14th amendment, if the police are going to have something like ARs, then everyone must be able to.
You can't have a multi tiered society where government employees have something no one else can at all.
That would be an unequal, privileged state that is illegal in a democratic republic.

Actually, you can. There is nothing in the Laws anywhere that says you can't unless it's the State Laws. As for Colt and FN, there is Federal Policies that prevent them from selling the full dress M-4 to anyone that is not in either the Military (i.e. Federal or National Guard) or Law Enforcement (I.E. FBI, etc.). But the weapons have to remain in the armory and can NEVER be taken home. For the Federals, it's Federal Policies. For the States, it's State Policies. This includes in California where the Law Enforcement has the LE6920 (ar) but when they go off duty, it has to go back to the armory since even an off duty cop can't have them.

Yes, but first of all the government has made it increasingly cost prohibitive, and second is that really this thread is about confiscation of what people should legally be able to have. There are so many tens of thousands of gun laws, that it is an extremely threatening environment. For example, the 1999 school zone law says you can't be within 1000 feet of a school with a gun, and that includes driving by a school with a gun in the trunk. That clearly is illegal and wrong, because when I was in high school, 2 died from knife fights, and the PTA insisted some teachers and staff be armed at all times.

It's still 1000 feet around here. And we thwarted a school shooting because of that. The idiot was walking towards a school gate wearing a friggin rain coat on a sunny day covering his father's AR and the extra 30 round mags. He made it about 40 feet more before the cops swarmed all over him. It's not really a bad law.

As for armed Teachers, our Teachers could be armed by State Law. But the Teachers Association 100% voted against that. They went what was behind door #2 and went for heightened security instead. Guess what, they were right.

The only source of authority in a democratic republic is the defense of the rights of individuals.
Whose rights are defended by arresting someone for driving within 1000 feet of a school with a rifle in their truck.
The answer is no one.
Therefore the laws should be more specific, such as actually stepping onto school grounds with a loaded weapons that they did not have permission from the school to have on school property.
That would be legal.
The 1999 law is illegal because it is federal, and because it goes way beyond what is necessary for safety.

It's not Federal here. It's state. You keep forgetting the States have rights that the Feds don't have. Now, if you don't want the State to have those rights and regs, run for Governor.
 
She's an idiot.
Actually you are (a "stupid moron"***)
She is not yet 30, her life experience at 10 was Columbine, and since then these are the numbers of mass shootings since then:
List of Mass Shootings Since Columbine Massacre
***quote from post #4
Reality:
1982-2018, about 4 kids die each year in school shootings; less than 2 of these are killed with 'assault weapons'
Kids are two orders of magnitude more likely to die on a school bus than in a school shooting.

No one is talking about school bus accidents...

Look at you, trying to downplay the fact that school shootings are the LEAST likely way for a kid to die.

Why do you need a gun? Why are you so obsessed with guns?

'And, why did you twice post only a part of my comments on post 171? So you could lie by omission?
 

Forum List

Back
Top