Any Vietnam era vets on this forum?

[hangover]

Politicians are always willing to sacrifice your life for their cause, no matter how many wars they loose.

Every war America has been in after WWII has been for the egotistical desires of politicians to be the world dictator. And like Hitler, we lost them all.... Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

There is no glory in coming home in a box. There is no honor in sacrificing a limb for corporate profits.

All the chicken hawks give lip service, "Thanks for your service" and "Our brave heroes", but deny the vets their healthcare and the honor of a decent job when they get home.

Those that have been in war know the ugliness. They have to live with the horrors the rest of their lives. The have to live with the memories of dead children, and innocent civilians they've killed. Most of them are to forked up enough to hold a job.

Today I came out of WalMart, and a vet came up to me and asked it I could help out a vet. Our brave heroes are reduced to beggars. How honorable.

BTW, I served from 1970-73. But they sent me to Iran instead of Nam. Please, spare me your lip service.

The ONLY ONES screwing over the veteran is Barry and his criminal thug buddies permanently housed in Washington. You want to see how badly vets can be treated? If Hillary Clinton becomes President, she will only cross the street to piss on a vet. You know, I volunteer at two places. One is a veteran's center run by the VFW. Funny how I NEVER see vets there who are liberal. Oh, you can hear them whine and moan like you do and they always write letters to the editor or they post on boards like this. But they NEVER show up. Never sit with a vet who's shaking and crying over something that happened in Bien Hoa or Falujah. Or talking one out of eating a bullet.

"The have to live with the memories of dead children, and innocent civilians they've killed" Are you really that stupid? Good God in heaven above. A person who has supposedly put on the uniform of his country and you sit there and call us 'baby killers.' You are no goddamn better than the maggots who threw urine on those vets or screamed those names at them.

9thIDdoc and those men and women like him. I've never served with them, don't know them. But they are hero's none-the-less. In me they have a brother in arms. In you they have a pain-in-the-ass wanna be who, quite frankly, NEVER will be...

In the invasion of Iraq, half a million innocent civilians were killed, many of them children.

Go ahead and try to justify this....just try....

 

[dannyboys]

I just turned 18 in 1972 and walked into an Air Force recruiting office and enlisted because my father had waded ashore at Normandy. All three of my brothers served. Spent basic in San Antonio, TX and then tech school at the same. Got on a plane and went to Vietnam. Spent 16 months there (was supposed to leave at 12 but I stayed so a guy with kids could go home). I remember the sound that a round makes as it whizzes by your head. I also remember being so scared at night when the VC would come to the wire and lob grenades onto the hammer head. One maintenance guy caught a stray round one night and I remember him screaming. He lived, but at night, in a firefight, that sound is something you'll never forget. The tracers going down range, the smell, the sounds. About ready to shit all over yourself, praying to God in heaven to just get you out of there. Then you head home and you have to worry about the low life, sleaze ball, scumbags who would humiliate you if they got the chance.

I made many friends there. Some I still talk to and I can tell you right now, I would give my life and everything I owned to any one of them if they asked. But they won't. Those maggots who protested, who spit and threw stuff onto those returning vets are beneath contempt. They are nothing more than scum. Not even worthy enough to wipe the sweat off those guys balls. They are a waste of human flesh. Their opinions are meaningless.

I took off my uniform like they told us to when I returned and THAT is the biggest regret I have. I now wear my Vietnam Veteran jacket with pride and every time I see a man or woman in uniform, I tell them God bless and that I support them. Every time...

Everytime I see a photo of John Kerry I want to puke on it!
He is a traitor and one of Obama's best friends.
Another time and place Kerry. Another time and place.
Then fuck-wit coward sends Kerry to Iran to give Iran everything they want to help them build a nuclear bomb!
Unfucking believable!

 

[9thIDdoc]

Politicians are always willing to sacrifice your life for their cause, no matter how many wars they loose.

Every war America has been in after WWII has been for the egotistical desires of politicians to be the world dictator. And like Hitler, we lost them all.... Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

There is no glory in coming home in a box. There is no honor in sacrificing a limb for corporate profits.

All the chicken hawks give lip service, "Thanks for your service" and "Our brave heroes", but deny the vets their healthcare and the honor of a decent job when they get home.

Those that have been in war know the ugliness. They have to live with the horrors the rest of their lives. The have to live with the memories of dead children, and innocent civilians they've killed. Most of them are to forked up enough to hold a job.

Today I came out of WalMart, and a vet came up to me and asked it I could help out a vet. Our brave heroes are reduced to beggars. How honorable.

BTW, I served from 1970-73. But they sent me to Iran instead of Nam. Please, spare me your lip service.

The ONLY ONES screwing over the veteran is Barry and his criminal thug buddies permanently housed in Washington. You want to see how badly vets can be treated? If Hillary Clinton becomes President, she will only cross the street to piss on a vet. You know, I volunteer at two places. One is a veteran's center run by the VFW. Funny how I NEVER see vets there who are liberal. Oh, you can hear them whine and moan like you do and they always write letters to the editor or they post on boards like this. But they NEVER show up. Never sit with a vet who's shaking and crying over something that happened in Bien Hoa or Falujah. Or talking one out of eating a bullet.

"The have to live with the memories of dead children, and innocent civilians they've killed" Are you really that stupid? Good God in heaven above. A person who has supposedly put on the uniform of his country and you sit there and call us 'baby killers.' You are no goddamn better than the maggots who threw urine on those vets or screamed those names at them.

9thIDdoc and those men and women like him. I've never served with them, don't know them. But they are hero's none-the-less. In me they have a brother in arms. In you they have a pain-in-the-ass wanna be who, quite frankly, NEVER will be...

In the invasion of Iraq, half a million innocent civilians were killed, many of them children.

Go ahead and try to justify this....just try....

You are SO full of it! The picture you posted was taken in RSVN (not Iraq) the little girl pictured was injured by an RSVN bomb and she is now alive and well in the USA.

"In the invasion of Iraq, half a million innocent civilians were killed, many of them children."

Prove this. The reality is that you have absolutely no idea how many (If any) "innocent civilians" were killed during any of the Iraq invasions.

 

[hangover]

Politicians are always willing to sacrifice your life for their cause, no matter how many wars they loose.

Every war America has been in after WWII has been for the egotistical desires of politicians to be the world dictator. And like Hitler, we lost them all.... Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

There is no glory in coming home in a box. There is no honor in sacrificing a limb for corporate profits.

All the chicken hawks give lip service, "Thanks for your service" and "Our brave heroes", but deny the vets their healthcare and the honor of a decent job when they get home.

Those that have been in war know the ugliness. They have to live with the horrors the rest of their lives. The have to live with the memories of dead children, and innocent civilians they've killed. Most of them are to forked up enough to hold a job.

Today I came out of WalMart, and a vet came up to me and asked it I could help out a vet. Our brave heroes are reduced to beggars. How honorable.

BTW, I served from 1970-73. But they sent me to Iran instead of Nam. Please, spare me your lip service.

The ONLY ONES screwing over the veteran is Barry and his criminal thug buddies permanently housed in Washington. You want to see how badly vets can be treated? If Hillary Clinton becomes President, she will only cross the street to piss on a vet. You know, I volunteer at two places. One is a veteran's center run by the VFW. Funny how I NEVER see vets there who are liberal. Oh, you can hear them whine and moan like you do and they always write letters to the editor or they post on boards like this. But they NEVER show up. Never sit with a vet who's shaking and crying over something that happened in Bien Hoa or Falujah. Or talking one out of eating a bullet.

"The have to live with the memories of dead children, and innocent civilians they've killed" Are you really that stupid? Good God in heaven above. A person who has supposedly put on the uniform of his country and you sit there and call us 'baby killers.' You are no goddamn better than the maggots who threw urine on those vets or screamed those names at them.

9thIDdoc and those men and women like him. I've never served with them, don't know them. But they are hero's none-the-less. In me they have a brother in arms. In you they have a pain-in-the-ass wanna be who, quite frankly, NEVER will be...

In the invasion of Iraq, half a million innocent civilians were killed, many of them children.

Go ahead and try to justify this....just try....

You are SO full of it! The picture you posted was taken in RSVN (not Iraq) the little girl pictured was injured by an RSVN bomb and she is now alive and well in the USA.

"In the invasion of Iraq, half a million innocent civilians were killed, many of them children."

Prove this. The reality is that you have absolutely no idea how many (If any) "innocent civilians" were killed during any of the Iraq invasions.

You know, you could have googled this yourself and not looked like an idiot.
Half-Million Iraqis Died in the War, New Study Says


"We think it is roughly around half a million people dead. And that is likely a low estimate," says Hagopian. "People need to know the cost in human lives of the decision to go to war."


The survey responses point to around 405,000 deaths attributable to the war and occupation in Iraq from 2003 to 2011. At least another 56,000 deaths should be added to that total from households forced to flee Iraq, the study authors estimate. More than 60 percent of the excess deaths of men, women, and children reported from 2003 to 2011 were the direct result of shootings, bombings, airstrikes, or other violence, according to the study. The rest came indirectly, from stress-related heart attacks or ruined sanitation and hospitals.

Half-Million Iraqis Died in the War, New Study Says

 

[9thIDdoc]

Your claim:

In the invasion of Iraq, half a million innocent civilians were killed, many of them children.

What is actually written:
"On March 19, 2003, a U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq, beginning a ground war that culminated in the rapid capture of Baghdad and overthrow of the regime led by Saddam Hussein. A coalition-led occupation of Iraq lasted until 2011, marked by repeated bombings, an al Qaeda-linked insurgency, militia warfare, and other bloodshed in the nation of 32.6 million people."

It is not claimed that those killed were "innocent civilians" or that the US, or the US led coalition, was responsible for those deaths.

The rest came indirectly, from stress-related heart attacks or ruined sanitation and hospitals.

 

[Indofred]

For me It was almost 50 years ago. But who woulda thought:

Shh, don't tell anyone about the Vietnam war.
Vietnam's communist government is now America;s new 'bestie' in the region, so your mates died for shit all.
Talk about a kick in the bollocks for Americans who lost family and friends there.

 

[longknife]

For me It was almost 50 years ago. But who woulda thought:

Shh, don't tell anyone about the Vietnam war.
Vietnam's communist government is now America;s new 'bestie' in the region, so your mates died for shit all.
Talk about a kick in the bollocks for Americans who lost family and friends there.

Even though we were forced by the politicians to withdraw, we actually WON in 'Nam!

Our presence taught them the value of the free market system and the successes and plenties of the South taught the North how good life could be when a Socialist form of life was overturned.

It is also interesting that a lot of Vietnamese who fled at the war's end, came here and became so successful that they are returning to their homes to help refuel the country's economy.

So yeah - we did win!

 

[hangover]

Your claim:

In the invasion of Iraq, half a million innocent civilians were killed, many of them children.

What is actually written:
"On March 19, 2003, a U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq, beginning a ground war that culminated in the rapid capture of Baghdad and overthrow of the regime led by Saddam Hussein. A coalition-led occupation of Iraq lasted until 2011, marked by repeated bombings, an al Qaeda-linked insurgency, militia warfare, and other bloodshed in the nation of 32.6 million people."

It is not claimed that those killed were "innocent civilians" or that the US, or the US led coalition, was responsible for those deaths.

The rest came indirectly, from stress-related heart attacks or ruined sanitation and hospitals.

Just like the nazis tried to hide the deaths of the Jews, Shrub and Cheney don't want their atrocities known. But you and I both know many innocent civilians were killed in the initial invasion alone. The bombing was indiscriminate.
Your efforts to dismiss those murders makes you just as guilty.
The nazi word for "shock and awe" is blitzkrieg.
noun
1.
a swift intensive military attack, esp using tanks supported by aircraft, designed to defeat the opposition quickly
.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"Just like the nazis tried to hide the deaths of the Jews, Shrub and Cheney don't want their atrocities known. But you and I both know many innocent civilians were killed in the initial invasion alone. The bombing was indiscriminate.
Your efforts to dismiss those murders makes you just as guilty."

Bullshit. I was and am altogether convinced that we spent far too much tax payer money trying to be too discriminate. Smart bombs are expensive and nobody seemed to care anyway. Far more "innocent civilians" were murdered by other Arabs than by us and that continues to be the case. I have no reason to want to hide the numbers. I am much more concerned over those of our troops who were murdered by infiltrators and "allies". I thought we should have started out by turning Baghdad into a radioactive lake and am still not convinced that would be a bad idea. Russia is not all that happy with Islamics either.
Now, please what any of that has to do with the OP.

 

[OldUSAFSniper]

"Just like the nazis tried to hide the deaths of the Jews, Shrub and Cheney don't want their atrocities known. But you and I both know many innocent civilians were killed in the initial invasion alone. The bombing was indiscriminate.
Your efforts to dismiss those murders makes you just as guilty."

Bullshit. I was and am altogether convinced that we spent far too much tax payer money trying to be too discriminate. Smart bombs are expensive and nobody seemed to care anyway. Far more "innocent civilians" were murdered by other Arabs than by us and that continues to be the case. I have no reason to want to hide the numbers. I am much more concerned over those of our troops who were murdered by infiltrators and "allies". I thought we should have started out by turning Baghdad into a radioactive lake and am still not convinced that would be a bad idea. Russia is not all that happy with Islamics either.
Now, please what any of that has to do with the OP.

Note to 9thIDDoc: Our "mistake" is and always has been trying to 'nation build' with a bunch of dipshits who have never seen an outhouse, let alone ever used one.

Someone does something where you have to kick their ass, you go in and you kick their ass! You kill all of those responsible for making you be there in the first place and then when you're done, you give the survivors a toll free number to the state department. Tell them that they have three choices. We can be your friends, we can ignore you, or if you piss us off again, we'll be back. Next time we come back though, we will kill everyone. And then you leave! Let them rebuild!

As for this maggot who wants to call vets baby killers. I don't normally cuss on this forum, I think its showing how stupid you are. But this 'hangover' is a fucking idiot of major proportions.

 

[Indofred]

So yeah - we did win!

Perhaps you could explain how losing billions of dollars and thousands of men for zero gain and a red face was winning.
Perhaps you could also explain how America being a friend and sending weapons to this communist dictatorship isn't a kick in the teeth to the vets.

 

[9thIDdoc]

So yeah - we did win!

Perhaps you could explain how losing billions of dollars and thousands of men for zero gain and a red face was winning.
Perhaps you could also explain how America being a friend and sending weapons to this communist dictatorship isn't a kick in the teeth to the vets.

Our mission was to stop North Vietnam from overrunning South Vietnam. We did exactly that until we were pulled out. Had America turned us loose we could have overrun North Vietnam. America didn't. Obama and crew seem to get a real thrill at disrespecting vets and active military alike. What goes around comes around.

 

[longknife]

So yeah - we did win!

Perhaps you could explain how losing billions of dollars and thousands of men for zero gain and a red face was winning.
Perhaps you could also explain how America being a friend and sending weapons to this communist dictatorship isn't a kick in the teeth to the vets.

If you don't understand the irony of the comment, there's no way I can explain it to you.

 

[Indofred]

So yeah - we did win!

Perhaps you could explain how losing billions of dollars and thousands of men for zero gain and a red face was winning.
Perhaps you could also explain how America being a friend and sending weapons to this communist dictatorship isn't a kick in the teeth to the vets.

If you don't understand the irony of the comment, there's no way I can explain it to you.

Ah, you can't explain it.
Thanks for making that clear.

 

[ninja007]

Jane Fonda and Kerry reporting in sir!

 

[longknife]

So yeah - we did win!

Perhaps you could explain how losing billions of dollars and thousands of men for zero gain and a red face was winning.
Perhaps you could also explain how America being a friend and sending weapons to this communist dictatorship isn't a kick in the teeth to the vets.

If you don't understand the irony of the comment, there's no way I can explain it to you.

Ah, you can't explain it.
Thanks for making that clear.

Oh, I thought it was very clear to begin with. That's exactly why I'm not going to waste my time with you.

 

[Indofred]

So there we go, the Vietnam vets who died or were injured over there were on a fool's errand, all wasting their time in a failed attempt to defeat a communist government the US is now arming.... at US taxpayers' expense.
I wonder how many vets are paying their taxes, only to see their money go to the communist government in a country that humiliated you in front of the world.

If that's winning a war, I can't wait to see the mess if you ever lose one.

 

[Hossfly]

So there we go, the Vietnam vets who died or were injured over there were on a fool's errand, all wasting their time in a failed attempt to defeat a communist government the US is now arming.... at US taxpayers' expense.
I wonder how many vets are paying their taxes, only to see their money go to the communist government in a country that humiliated you in front of the world.

If that's winning a war, I can't wait to see the mess if you ever lose one.

We weren't on a fools errand and we didn't lose. The fool Johnson and his court of clowns gave it away. The North Viets came to the talks in Paris and were ready to capitulate and wound up getting the South handed to them.

 

[xband]

For me It was almost 50 years ago. But who woulda thought:

Home - Ho Tram Open

A MIG-19 is my Avatar. I pity the fool!

 

[xband]

Arlington, November 11, 2015 with some of the gang. On Saturday Nov,14 we celebrated the beginning of the Battle of Ia Drang Valley at LZ X-RAY. Had my baseball hat on.

We Were Soldiers Once and Young: Ia Drang Valley 1965 withLisa Soltow Brannon and 9 others at Vietnam Veterans Memorial.

November 11 · Washington, District of Columbia, DC · ·

Thank You Sir for sharing your reunion with us. Now I am studying the tree leaves to find out where it was held, I see one young birch tree and one old birch tree, a couple of young maple trees and a few young oak trees. No palm trees so it was not held in Tahiti.