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I think we need to stop thinking we are going to create peace in the middle east when God said that He will end it when He comes and it wont end before that.
I think we need to stop thinking we are going to create peace in the middle east when God said that He will end it when He comes and it wont end before that.
I dont agree with your content but I do agree with your sentiment.
I think we need to stop thinking we are going to create peace in the middle east when God said that He will end it when He comes and it wont end before that.
I dont agree with your content but I do agree with your sentiment.
I can understand that. Including God into the picture creates controversy and makes some uncomfortable or just causes others to disbelieve, but the fact is that Israel exists because of prophecy and I don't think we should ignore the influence God has in the events of man.
Im a believer but I also believe that some prophecies are self fufilling.
We're in agreement there!I repsectfully disagree.
We, America, need to remove our support of Israel and let the region decide for itself who stays and who goes.
Yeah, but then at the last second, HE throws in that "free will" crap and that just screws us all up.I think we need to stop thinking we are going to create peace in the middle east when God said that He will end it when He comes and it wont end before that.
I dont agree with your content but I do agree with your sentiment.
I can understand that. Including God into the picture creates controversy and makes some uncomfortable or just causes others to disbelieve, but the fact is that Israel exists because of prophecy and I don't think we should ignore the influence God has in the events of man.
I think we need to stop thinking we are going to create peace in the middle east when God said that He will end it when He comes and it wont end before that.
I'm curious to see how the discussions will go in a temperate zone.
I think we need to stop thinking we are going to create peace in the middle east when God said that He will end it when He comes and it wont end before that.
I dont agree with your content but I do agree with your sentiment.
I can understand that. Including God into the picture creates controversy and makes some uncomfortable or just causes others to disbelieve, but the fact is that Israel exists because of prophecy and I don't think we should ignore the influence God has in the events of man.
I'm curious to see how the discussions will go in a temperate zone.
It can only end in tears...
Okay, here's where I see the problem. Israel has always been based on a lie. "A land without a people for a people without a land." the problem was there were people on that land. People who were displaced because the world felt really bad about what happened to Europe's Jewish population.
I do think the many petty despots who run the middle east have stirred up resentment about this to deflect from their own gross mismanagement of their own nations, without a doubt. But that doesn't take away from the fact they have a valid greivence, these European folks have essentially displaced them from land they consider holy.
Ideally, the Holy Land should be held in an international trust by the UN, as it is sacred to all the Abrahamic religions. (Christianity, Judeism and Islam, as well as other lesser known ones.)
The thing is, Israel is ultimately doomed. Young Israelis to whom Hitler is just a bogeyman to scare them at night just don't see why they wouldn't be happier living in Europe or America, where no one is strapping bombs onto their kids to try to kill them. Meanwhile, the population of Palestinians, in Isreal, the occuppied terriroties and neighboring nations- continues to increase.
The two state (or three state) solution is similar to what the Afrikaners in South Africa tried to do during Apartheid, create nominally independent entities to prevent eventual power sharing. But it only delays the inevitable. Arabs/Palestinians will be in the vast majority at some point.
I'm curious to see how the discussions will go in a temperate zone.
Israel was created when zionists migrated into the area and drove out over 700,000 indigenous arabs (who had been living there for generations) with the use of jewish terrorism in militia groups like Irgun. Whenever you take land by force, there's going to be repercussions. Since no one was ensuring arab land rights in that area, they got hostile. And zionists got hostile right back. Both sides are guilty of the violence.The moral dilemma lies in whether the right thing to do is mind our own business and allow other nations to tear themselves apart if they wish to do so - vs - defending the helpless and innocent and deserving, most especially those who have been our friends when we needed one.
Israel was created for the most persecuted and abused single group of people on Earth so that they once and for all would have a homeland and could be who they are without interference from anybody. And even before the new State of Israel was created, the Arabs were determined to drive the Jews out or annihilate them and deny them a place to call home.
Prior to the establishment of Israel by the U.N. and with the blessings of England who held title to the land at the time, there was no organized country in Palestine, no government, no official authority other than Great Britain.
I personally think given the history, we have a moral imperative to defend and support Israel against those who want to wipe it off the face of the Earth for no other reason than it supports Judaism and will not make Allah the supreme authority over the land.
i agree completely. i think israel was a very bad mistake made by people with the very best intent.
someone needs to step in and dismantle the state in as humane a way as possible and find a way for the jewish israelis to return to somewhere of leave somehow...or remain if they wish, but not as a jewish ascendancy . i think, with the help of the USA and other countries, a secular palestine can become a true light unto the nations of the world and a beacon of democracy in the mideast. i think arab states have made great, albeit unsettling and unsteady, strides towards democracy in the past couple of years and for the USA to continue propping up israel flys in the face of what this country used to stand for.
i don't think you can impose your, or a western european culture's, idea of "existence" upon peoples of other cultures, especially in this day and age. that's like saying australia didn't exist until the mid 1700s. many aboriginal cultures throughout the world had and have tribal governments that exist without political boundaries, and i respect that.
i very sincerely doubt if israel, or other tribes in the region, had well defined political borders two or three millinia ago.
Here's what I've found so far...i am not sure if they are in violation of over 200 UN resolutions. .
That's quite a bit!Since 1948, the Security Council has adopted 223 resolutions in condemnation of Israel 's violations of international law, including the occupation of Palestinian lands, unilateral incursions into the Lebanese and Syrian soils, developing nuclear weapons, deporting the Palestinian citizens from their homes and building illegal settlements in the West Bank .