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Our govt. has a legitimate role to play in defending rights from the moment a life begins.

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    That's a very nice opinion. But that's all it is - an opinion.

    Yes, yes, please use the Holocaust, slavery or any other bs you want to justify trying to turn women into involuntary breeding machines..
     
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    Actually, it is a scientific fact that human life begins at conception, not viability. So you're the one with an opinion, and since your word alone doesn't constitute truth, please back yourself up.

    I didn't say anything about the holocaust. It is a undeniable fact that laws are not always correct. Do you disagree?
     
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    Viability is the only issue here... sorry.

    Life began 4 billion years ago and is an ongoing process.

    This one is, because it recognized reality.

    Reality- if a woman doesn't want to be pregnant, she will find a way to not be pregnant.
     
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    How is having consensual sex not voluntary?
     
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    In the abortion debate? No, the issue is when human life begins. And it is scientifically incorrect to say that viability is when human life begins. It's just your opinion.

    Not what we're talking about here and you know it.

    No, it's not correct and it's also extremely inconsistent. Just to give one example, in a number of states you can get charged with a double homicide if you kill a pregnant woman. How can they do that if there is no second human being there?

    As for the last thing you said, that's irrelevant to this debate. The same could be said for rape, murder or any other thing for that matter.
     
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    Okay, but you see, what about the involuntary sex? Are you saying that they should be forced to have babies after rape?

    Or are you one of these "Gift from God" rape types?

    But once you say, "Well, no, I think women who've been raped should be allowed to have abortions", then you've pretty much admitted life doesn't begin at conception. We don't execute children for their father's crimes.
     
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    Those laws are sentimental bullshit. They shouldn't be on the books.

    Good point. But here's the thing, we lock up rapists and murderers.

    We don't lock up women who get abortions. We didn't lock up women who got abortions even when abortion was illegal.
     
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    You clearly haven't read many of my already existing posts or threads on this subject.
     
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    Naw, I've just concluded they are the nutty ramblings of a religious fanatic.
     
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    Thanks for the confirmation then.
     

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