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Our govt. has a legitimate role to play in defending rights from the moment a life begins.

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  1. Chuz Life
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    Any Government, no matter how large or small has a legitimate role to play in equally protecting the Constitutional rights of all "persons" within it's jurisdiction, from the moment their rights and lives begin.

    Agree or disagree?
     
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    Sure,

    Lets feed the children, protect LGBT people and treat people with respect.

    Hell, lets feed the homeless and give them a place to stay. Now that is pro-life.
     
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    Agree, now here's the problem. Pregnancy is not a zero risk proposition, so which life takes precedence?Can you demand one person to risk her live in protection of another live?
     
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    Fetuses are not persons.
     
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    I agree that every pregnancy carries some risks.

    As for your comment about "precedence?" I don't see how the concepts of "equal rights" or "equal protections" leaves any room for any one group of persons to legislatively be given "precedence" over any other. And, no. . . I don't think we can "demand one person to risk her live in protection of another live."

    However, we can reasonably expect a person who has already assumed those risks in a consensual act - to respect the lives and the rights they created for as long as those risks can be managed by herself and medical professionals.
     
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    The fetus does not have equal rights with the mother.
     
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    The child once born the government shall make sure it eats, is dry and is well educated. That my friend is protecting life.

    The old guy on the street also deserves this...

    Why is one batch of cells more worthy of government help then a fully developed person?
     
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    Pregnancy isn't always a result of a consensual act and neither does the act of sex necessarily means that person wants to become pregnant. In the light of those facts how is the government supposed to legislate and force people to risk their lives? Sex only if the intention is too bear children? Abortion allowed in cases of non-consensual sex? What when the person uses birth control and still becomes pregnant? These are not straightforward questions. I just have serious feasibility questions.
     
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    True

    Again, true

    As it pertains to pregnancy, unless the woman is raped, her assumption of any risks is voluntary. . The government is not forcing her to assume any risks at all.

    Nope.

    Can a Constitutional basis be made for that? I (for one) believe it can be.

    I disagree.

    These are very straight forward questions.

    Still not that difficult to answer, so long as we adhere to the Constitution and it's principles.
     
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    This kind of blows your argument that a person voluntary assumes the risk for pregnancies doesn't it? After all the use of birth control implies clearly that she didn't want to become pregnant. So the only thing a person who wants to get an abortion has to say, is the condom ripped and viola. Hence my feasibility question.

    I also want to point out that as I said, if you force a person to carry a baby to term against her will. You are de facto asking her to risk her life against her will.
    Personally I don't like abortions because I, like you feel it's running away from responsibility in most cases. On the other hand I have a problem with assuming that my viewpoint should be more important then the people who, I have to assume take that difficult decision. Therefore I find it important to leave people the freedom too make that decision.
     

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