Anti gunners predict blood in the streets if law abiding people can carry guns in every state, again

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The Bill for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity......you can carry your gun in any state if you aren't a criminal, passed the House Committee....and the left wing, anti gunners are using the "blood in the streets" argument...again...the same argument they used every time a state would pass a concealed carry or open carry of guns law.....and each and every time they were, and are, wrong.......they are doing it again....and they are wrong again.

Normal, law abiding people carrying guns for self defense doesn't increase the gun crime rate or the violent crime rate....it never has, it never will......how do we know? 21 years of actual gun carrying by Americans......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

All this bill will actually do is keep New York, New Jersey and other blue states from ruining the lives of law abiding people who carry their legal guns for self defense....

This will be stopped.....

Woman with Pa. handgun permit faces prison sentence for carrying in New Jersey

A Philadelphia mother of two who obtained the necessary permits to carry a gun in Pennsylvania and was arrested in New Jersey for unlawful possession of a weapon is now facing three years in prison.

Shaneen Allen, 27, obtained a license-to-carry permit and purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder handgun after she was robbed in a Philadelphia alley in July 2013, according to a report on Philly.com.

During a trip to Atlantic City last October, Allen was arrested following a routine traffic stop and was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. Allen told Philly.com she told the police officer she had a firearm in her purse and a carry license for it.

New Jersey has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and does not recognize carry permits from any other state. A report from the Washington Post suggests race might have played a part in Allen's arrest.

Allen is facing a mandatory three-year prison term and has a hearing in Atlantic County tomorrow, according to Philly.com.

Many gun advocates have rallied in support of her, the website said, and she is being represented by Evan Nappen, a lawyer who specializes in gun cases.
 
The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
 
33,000 gun deaths a year. We already have blood in the streets.


You keep putting out that fake information...as if it is the truth......what we have are suicides, and criminals murdering other criminals....the law abiding people in this country carry 16.3 million guns for self defense without shooting anyone....but keep lying....that is the best you have...

Gun suicide..

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015
Gun suicide...

22,018

Non Gun suicide...

22,078
========================

Gun Accidental death.....
2015


489

==================

Gun murder ( 70-80% of the victims of gun murder are actual criminals, not law abiding people)

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8


2015--

9,616

=======================

Suicide
...even though Japan, Korea, China, all have absolute gun control for law abiding citizens...only criminals and cops can have guns.......and they have higher suicide rates than we do....and our non-gun suicide rate has been higher than our gun suicide rate for 2 years in a row.....

Gun Accidental Death...

Gun accidents....in a country with over 320,000,000 people...... with 400,000,000 guns in private hands, and over 15,700,000 people carrying guns for self defense..... 489 accidental gun deaths....

Gun murder
Of the 9,616 gun murders in this country, 70-80% of the victims are criminals, engaged in criminal activity or part of the criminal life style....and of the remaining victims....many of them are friends and family of the criminal...caught up in the criminal's lifestyle.....
 
You keep putting out that fake information...as if it is the truth......what we have are suicides, and criminals murdering other criminals.

Yes, 33,000 gun deaths. It's a horrible price to pay for you compensating for your "Shortcomings".


Lie, lie, lie......

Suicide doesn't need a gun...Japan, Korea, and China all have absolute gun control, and higher suicide rates...

Of the 9,616 gun murders in the U.S. in 2015.....70-80% of them were criminals murdering criminals....and the rest, a good portion of those were friends and family of criminals caught in the violence.

So.....almost all of the gun deaths have nothing to do with law abiding Americans owning and carrying guns for self defense, sport, hunting and just fun........

Add to that...our gun crime rates went down as more Americans carried guns....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


And on top of that....you have Americans using their guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals...saving the lives of Americans.....far more than the criminals take when they use guns for crime.....

A net positive by a long way..

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....
 
The Bill for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity......you can carry your gun in any state if you aren't a criminal, passed the House Committee....and the left wing, anti gunners are using the "blood in the streets" argument...again...the same argument they used every time a state would pass a concealed carry or open carry of guns law.....and each and every time they were, and are, wrong.......they are doing it again....and they are wrong again.

Normal, law abiding people carrying guns for self defense doesn't increase the gun crime rate or the violent crime rate....it never has, it never will......how do we know? 21 years of actual gun carrying by Americans......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

All this bill will actually do is keep New York, New Jersey and other blue states from ruining the lives of law abiding people who carry their legal guns for self defense....

This will be stopped.....

Woman with Pa. handgun permit faces prison sentence for carrying in New Jersey

A Philadelphia mother of two who obtained the necessary permits to carry a gun in Pennsylvania and was arrested in New Jersey for unlawful possession of a weapon is now facing three years in prison.

Shaneen Allen, 27, obtained a license-to-carry permit and purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder handgun after she was robbed in a Philadelphia alley in July 2013, according to a report on Philly.com.

During a trip to Atlantic City last October, Allen was arrested following a routine traffic stop and was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. Allen told Philly.com she told the police officer she had a firearm in her purse and a carry license for it.

New Jersey has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and does not recognize carry permits from any other state. A report from the Washington Post suggests race might have played a part in Allen's arrest.

Allen is facing a mandatory three-year prison term and has a hearing in Atlantic County tomorrow, according to Philly.com.

Many gun advocates have rallied in support of her, the website said, and she is being represented by Evan Nappen, a lawyer who specializes in gun cases.
Kind of like the bloodshed in Vegas and that little church in Texas?
 
You keep putting out that fake information...as if it is the truth......what we have are suicides, and criminals murdering other criminals.

Yes, 33,000 gun deaths. It's a horrible price to pay for you compensating for your "Shortcomings".


People usually commit suicide indoors of in a closed vehicle.

You're thinking of the ones who commit suicide by cop.
 
Lie, lie, lie......

Suicide doesn't need a gun...

No, but it makes it a lot more effective.

Two points about suicide.

When someone fails to in their suicide attempt, most of them never try it again.

and

A gun makes it highly unlikely that they will fail.

China, Japan, South Korea....all have higher suicide raters than we do.....which means they are more successful at killing themselves....and only the cops, the criminals and the rich are allowed to have guns.....so you have no point....dittos Europe....

Main tables - Eurostat

May, 2014

France....14.13

Finland...14.55

Poland....15.51

Belgium....17.28

Austria....15.26


U.S.....13.00 (Products - Data Briefs - Number 241 - April 2016)


And then this.....as more Americans now own and carry guns.....the gun suicide rate for men went down....so nothing you posted on this issue is even remotely accurate....

U.S. suicide rates up, especially for women - CNN.com

In both 1999 and 2014, firearms were the most common method by which men took their own lives, although the proportion of all suicides in men that were firearm-related decreased from 61.7% to 55.4%. Among women, poisoning was the most common method in 2014 and accounted for 34.1% of suicides, down from 36% in 1999.
 
Lie, lie, lie......

Suicide doesn't need a gun...

No, but it makes it a lot more effective.

Two points about suicide.

When someone fails to in their suicide attempt, most of them never try it again.

and

A gun makes it highly unlikely that they will fail.


And to show you even know less than you know about guns and suicide....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.
 
The rest of your post is NRA propaganda and is ignored.


The NRA wasn't consulted for the facts from the CDC, the FBI and all the independent research organizations I used for my links showing that you don't know what you are talking about......
 
The Bill for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity......you can carry your gun in any state if you aren't a criminal, passed the House Committee....and the left wing, anti gunners are using the "blood in the streets" argument...again...the same argument they used every time a state would pass a concealed carry or open carry of guns law.....and each and every time they were, and are, wrong.......they are doing it again....and they are wrong again.

Normal, law abiding people carrying guns for self defense doesn't increase the gun crime rate or the violent crime rate....it never has, it never will......how do we know? 21 years of actual gun carrying by Americans......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

All this bill will actually do is keep New York, New Jersey and other blue states from ruining the lives of law abiding people who carry their legal guns for self defense....

This will be stopped.....

Woman with Pa. handgun permit faces prison sentence for carrying in New Jersey

A Philadelphia mother of two who obtained the necessary permits to carry a gun in Pennsylvania and was arrested in New Jersey for unlawful possession of a weapon is now facing three years in prison.

Shaneen Allen, 27, obtained a license-to-carry permit and purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder handgun after she was robbed in a Philadelphia alley in July 2013, according to a report on Philly.com.

During a trip to Atlantic City last October, Allen was arrested following a routine traffic stop and was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. Allen told Philly.com she told the police officer she had a firearm in her purse and a carry license for it.

New Jersey has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and does not recognize carry permits from any other state. A report from the Washington Post suggests race might have played a part in Allen's arrest.

Allen is facing a mandatory three-year prison term and has a hearing in Atlantic County tomorrow, according to Philly.com.

Many gun advocates have rallied in support of her, the website said, and she is being represented by Evan Nappen, a lawyer who specializes in gun cases.
Kind of like the bloodshed in Vegas and that little church in Texas?


Wow....2 whole incidents......while the actual 21 year record of gun ownership shows you don't know what you are talking about...you are wrong.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
i am a liberal gun owner....i think my son is now a conservative gun owners...and one thing he hates is not being allowed to travel with his pistol in all states

right now i am alone and have been for a couple of nights...you look at my windows all you see is dark....my son comes over for dinner....i ask if he wants to stay the night cause i am alone...his reply....you have the dogs and the guns...and he is right ....why are you against my defending myself...the police wont be here in just minutes...and till then i am on my own
 
The Bill for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity......you can carry your gun in any state if you aren't a criminal, passed the House Committee....and the left wing, anti gunners are using the "blood in the streets" argument...again...the same argument they used every time a state would pass a concealed carry or open carry of guns law.....and each and every time they were, and are, wrong.......they are doing it again....and they are wrong again.

Normal, law abiding people carrying guns for self defense doesn't increase the gun crime rate or the violent crime rate....it never has, it never will......how do we know? 21 years of actual gun carrying by Americans......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

All this bill will actually do is keep New York, New Jersey and other blue states from ruining the lives of law abiding people who carry their legal guns for self defense....

This will be stopped.....

Woman with Pa. handgun permit faces prison sentence for carrying in New Jersey

A Philadelphia mother of two who obtained the necessary permits to carry a gun in Pennsylvania and was arrested in New Jersey for unlawful possession of a weapon is now facing three years in prison.

Shaneen Allen, 27, obtained a license-to-carry permit and purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder handgun after she was robbed in a Philadelphia alley in July 2013, according to a report on Philly.com.

During a trip to Atlantic City last October, Allen was arrested following a routine traffic stop and was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. Allen told Philly.com she told the police officer she had a firearm in her purse and a carry license for it.

New Jersey has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and does not recognize carry permits from any other state. A report from the Washington Post suggests race might have played a part in Allen's arrest.

Allen is facing a mandatory three-year prison term and has a hearing in Atlantic County tomorrow, according to Philly.com.

Many gun advocates have rallied in support of her, the website said, and she is being represented by Evan Nappen, a lawyer who specializes in gun cases.
Kind of like the bloodshed in Vegas and that little church in Texas?


Yes......in Texas....an NRA instructor with his personal AR-15 rifle stopped the killer saving, at minimum 26 lives....and likely a lot more had the NRA instructor with his AR-15 civilian rifle not stopped him..since the police didn't show up till long after the killer ran away because of the NRA instructor with AR-15 civilian rifle......

And again...you can't deny the actual facts about Americans and guns...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
 
The Bill for National Concealed Carry Reciprocity......you can carry your gun in any state if you aren't a criminal, passed the House Committee....and the left wing, anti gunners are using the "blood in the streets" argument...again...the same argument they used every time a state would pass a concealed carry or open carry of guns law.....and each and every time they were, and are, wrong.......they are doing it again....and they are wrong again.

Normal, law abiding people carrying guns for self defense doesn't increase the gun crime rate or the violent crime rate....it never has, it never will......how do we know? 21 years of actual gun carrying by Americans......

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

All this bill will actually do is keep New York, New Jersey and other blue states from ruining the lives of law abiding people who carry their legal guns for self defense....

This will be stopped.....

Woman with Pa. handgun permit faces prison sentence for carrying in New Jersey

A Philadelphia mother of two who obtained the necessary permits to carry a gun in Pennsylvania and was arrested in New Jersey for unlawful possession of a weapon is now facing three years in prison.

Shaneen Allen, 27, obtained a license-to-carry permit and purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder handgun after she was robbed in a Philadelphia alley in July 2013, according to a report on Philly.com.

During a trip to Atlantic City last October, Allen was arrested following a routine traffic stop and was charged with unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of hollow-point bullets. Allen told Philly.com she told the police officer she had a firearm in her purse and a carry license for it.

New Jersey has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country and does not recognize carry permits from any other state. A report from the Washington Post suggests race might have played a part in Allen's arrest.

Allen is facing a mandatory three-year prison term and has a hearing in Atlantic County tomorrow, according to Philly.com.

Many gun advocates have rallied in support of her, the website said, and she is being represented by Evan Nappen, a lawyer who specializes in gun cases.
Blood in the streets? We have that.
 

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