Antarctic sea ice reaches record high while IPCC models predicted the opposite

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    In response to the barrage of recent posts by a certain member of this board, the vast majority of which reflect, and discuss nothing more than the output of computer models, I am going to post some recently published papers based on actual observation. The contrast is remarkable.

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    This paper, recently published in the Journal of Climate finds that most of the climate models predicted, in error, that the Antarctic Sea Ice extent would decrease over the past 30 years. This is a considerable deviation from actual observation as the Antarctic sea ice is currently 2 standard deviations above the 1979 - 2000 average. More evidence of the abject failure of climate models.
     
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    Well, um, er, it's predicted by the AGW model
     
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    Now that it has happened, of course they predicted it. So it is with the unfalsifiable hypothesis.
     
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    Retroactive predictions is part of the government model.
     
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    Just more futile grasping at straws by the denier cult dingbats.

    Poles apart: satellites reveal why Antarctic sea ice grows as Arctic melts
    US military satellite data exposes complexity of climate change and impact of changing wind patterns on polar regions

    The Guardian
    Damian Carrington
    11 November 2012
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    The mystery of the expansion of sea ice around Antarctica, at the same time as global warming is melting swaths of Arctic sea ice, has been solved using data from US military satellites. Two decades of measurements show that changing wind patterns around Antarctica have caused a small increase in sea ice, the result of cold winds off the continent blowing ice away from the coastline. "Until now these changes in ice drift were only speculated upon using computer models," said Paul Holland at the British Antarctic Survey. "Our study of direct satellite observations shows the complexity of climate change. "The Arctic is losing sea ice five times faster than the Antarctic is gaining it, so, on average, the Earth is losing sea ice very quickly. There is no inconsistency between our results and global warming." This summer saw a record low in Arctic sea ice since satellite measurements began 30 years ago. He noted that while Antarctic sea ice was growing, the Antarctic ice cap – the glacier and snow pack on the continent – was losing mass, with the fresh water flowing into the ocean.

    The research on Antarctic sea ice, published in Nature Geoscience, revealed large regional variations. In places where warm winds blowing from the tropics towards Antarctica had become stronger, sea ice was being lost rapidly. "In some areas, such as the Bellingshausen Sea, the sea ice is being lost as fast as in the Arctic," said Holland. But in other areas, sea ice was being added as sea water left behind ice being blown away from the coast froze. The net effect is that there has been an extra 17,000 sq km of sea ice each year since 1978 – about a tenth of a percent of the maximum sea ice cover.

     
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    Now all you need to do is show some actual proof that the loss of arctic ice is due to our contribution to a trace atmospheric gas. Good luck with that. Maybe a radiosonde can help you out.
     
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    Your ignorance of physics is your own problem, little retard, as is your inability to comprehend how raising atmospheric levels of a powerful greenhouse gas by 40% over pre-industrial levels could have any effect.

    Maybe a brain transplant can help you out.
     
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    If it is true that CO2 is a "powerful" greenhouse gas, then you should be able to show at least one experiment that proves that raising the amount of that gas in an open atmosphere will cause temperatures to rise. We both know, however, that you can't and never will be able to because it simply doesn't happen.

    What, so I can be a duped cut and paste slug like you? No thanks.
     
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    Someone on one of your denier cult blogs told you that particular myth but it is not true. Sadly, you've shown yourself to be much too stupid to understand the science and too ideologically blinded to even try. But here's a good summary of the relevant experiments anyway for those who maybe have more than just two brain cells to rub together.

    How do we know more CO2 is causing warming?
     
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    From the largest scientific society in the world, a society of societies, the American Institute of Physics;

    The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

    Of course, since this article is written by real scientists, our resident ignoramouses will immediatly dismiss it as part of the grand conspiracy by ___________ to take over the world.
     

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