Antarctic Sea Ice has gone off the chart!

[mamooth]

If the IPCC has made the prediction that the antarctic ice sheet should grow then show us their report and highlight the relevant text.

Ice sheets and sea ice are entirely different thing. We're talking about sea ice, you're talking about ice sheets.

This is the one of the granddaddies of modeling, Manabe 1991. Check p. 795. The model predictions from that paper are exactly what's been observed.

Manabe et al, 1991
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It is surprising, however, that the sea-ice thickness in the G integration increases significantly in the immediate vicinity of the Antarctic Continent despite the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide. This is consistent with the slight reduction of sea surface temperature (figure 10a). It will be shown in section 9a that, owing to the intensification of the near-surface halocline caused by the increased supply of water at the oceanic surface, the convective mixing of cold near-surface water with warmer underlying water becomes less frequent, resulting in the increase of sea ice and slight reduction of sea surface temperature.
---

So, damn good model, and that was back in 1991.

 

[mamooth]

Here's a portrait of yet another supposed dirty socialist, Dr. Syukuro Manabe. Not a well-known name, but he's sort of the founder of modern climate science.

He warned of warming long before it was cool
http://iodp.org/doc_download/1463-starledger21607

So, that humble and brilliant Japanese guy? Total socialist authoritarian statist, obviously. Has to be. Just in it for money. After all, he got results that contradict the denialists.

 

[westwall]

Sure thing admiral. It wasn't predicted it was a mystery to the modeler. If you can't explain it doesn't count. That's how science works. In the real world we have this....


"Spiegel Surprised By “Amazingly Robust”, Record Antarctic Sea Ice – NASA’s Walt Meier Bewildered, Can Only SpeculateBy P Gosselin on 22. Oktober 2013 Spiegel, for the first time that I can recall, reports on how sea ice in Antarctica refuses to melt and has reached a new maximum record. Antarctica’s record level sea ice is troubling those who were earlier convinced of the global warming science. Slowly, reluctantly, they are beginning to realize that something is wrong with the science. … - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2013/10/22/spiegel-surprised-by-amazingly-robust-record-antarctic-sea-ice-nasas-walt-meier-bewildered-can-only-speculate/#sthash.FPWwkzRq.dpuf"



Baffled scientists left to speculate

Walt Meier is on the defensive, and insists the Antarctic ice sheet is getting thinner- especially West Antarctica. Spiegel adds that scientists are baffled by the sea ice increase, writing that it’s “a riddle“.

According to Spiegel, “scientists suspect that a change in atmospheric currents may explain for the most part the increase in Antarctic sea ice over the last decade.” So now atmospheric air currents have teamed up with the oceans to eat up the heat. Strange how whenever it melts in the Arctic, it’s a sure sign of man-made global warming. But when it freezes in the Antarctic, it’s a real mystery!



Satellitenbild der Woche: Antarktis-Meereis erreicht Rekord-Ausdehnung - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

[mamooth]

If the tabloid said it, it has to be true.

Kind of sad that denialists now rely so heavily on tabloids for their info.

 

[bripat9643]

Here's a portrait of yet another supposed dirty socialist, Dr. Syukuro Manabe. Not a well-known name, but he's sort of the founder of modern climate science.

He warned of warming long before it was cool
http://iodp.org/doc_download/1463-starledger21607

So, that humble and brilliant Japanese guy? Total socialist authoritarian statist, obviously. Has to be. Just in it for money. After all, he got results that contradict the denialists.

He was a toady sucking on the government tit, just like all the other AGW magicians, and your article doesn't even give details of what he supposedly predicted.

 

[mamooth]

That would have been in the previous post, where Dr. Manabe in 1991 predicted the Antarctic Sea Ice growth.

For another example, in 1967 Dr. Manabe correctly predicted how increasing CO2 would cause the stratosphere to cool.

Stratospheric Cooling | The Science of Doom

 

[westwall]

That would have been in the previous post, where Dr. Manabe in 1991 predicted the Antarctic Sea Ice growth.

For another example, in 1967 Dr. Manabe correctly predicted how increasing CO2 would cause the stratosphere to cool.

Stratospheric Cooling | The Science of Doom

That's interesting. The stratosphere has neither warmed nor cooled. So where does that leave his predictions?

 

[bripat9643]

That would have been in the previous post, where Dr. Manabe in 1991 predicted the Antarctic Sea Ice growth.

Apparently in 1965 he predicted it would melt. From your article:

"As the computer program crunched physics formulas it began to spit out numbers that painted a startling view of a vastly different Earth. An Earth shrouded with CO2, a world whose average temperatures climbed about 4.5 degrees Fahrenheit, where polar ice caps melted to slush and tides swelled."​

And in 1975 he again predicted that sea ice would decrease:

"In 1975, Manabe and Wetherald teamed up again, publishing the first study that used a weather model operating in three dimensions to study the potential effects of greenhouse warming. In doing so, they found that an increase in water vapor and a lessening of sea ice cover would occur, further increasing temperatures."​

Nowhere does the article claim he predicted that sea ice would increase.

 

[Abraham3]

According to your insane theory we had record number of "extreme" weather events (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) in 2012, we added more CO2 and then the extreme weather stopped. Yeah makes perfect sense and so logically consistent too

The US is only about 2% of the Earth's surface, moron. Just because the US has seen somewhat fewer extreme weather events so far this year than last year does not mean that "the extreme weather stopped". The rest of the world is still experiencing them. Here's a partial list. The following article contains many links to full articles (where it says "more") so follow the link in the title to the source if you want to read more.

Extreme Weather Profile: 2013

At the beginning of 2013, a severe deep freeze, the worst in more than 40 years, killed more than 100 people in northern India more . . .

In Brazil, the worst drought in 50 years crippled the country's hydropower production and killed up to 30 percent of some crops more. . .

In early January, an especially powerful winter storm blasted the Middle East, freezing out some 50,000 Syrian refugees, and causing havoc in Jordan, Egypt and the West Bank more . . .

In Australia, a blistering heat wave sent temperatures about 123* F, melting roads, triggering wildfires and vaporizing gasoline more . . .

In mid-January, Chicago broke a 72-year record when the city went 320 days without snow more . . .

In southern California, temperatures plunged into the 20s, setting new records and threatening crops more . . .

In mid-January, intense flooding paralyzed Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, forcing the evacuation of tens of thousands of people more . . .

At the same time, an unusual storm dropped a foot of snow in southern Virginia and stranded motorists overnight in their cars in Alabama more . . .

In late January, extensive flooding in Mozambique killed at leat 46 people and left some 150,000 others homeless more . . .

At the same time, massive flooding forced the evacuations of thousands of people in the Australian states of Queensland and New South Wales more . . .

In early February, a massive blizzard struck the northeastern US, leaving 4 people dead and nearly 700,000 without power and forcing governors in five states to declare states of emergency. The storm dumped up to three feet of snow in parts of Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts more . . .

In March, New Zealand's worst water shortage in 30 years triggered bans on water use and left farmers considering the slaughter of cattle to reduce water demand more . . .

In Argentina, the area around Buenos Aires was hit with what officials called a "tsunami" of rain, which forced the evacuations of thousands of people, left some homes under nearly five feet of water and left at least 54 people dead more . . .

In mid-April, a massive storm system swept across the midwestern U.S. bringing record snow to North Dakota, dropping temperatures in Denver from 71* to 14* in one day and triggering the cancellation of 290 flights in Chicago more . . .

In May, 2013, the biggest tornado on record in the US, two miles wide with wind speeds up to 200 miles per hour, devastated the town of Moore, Oklahoma. While it raised questions about whether it was a consequence of a warming atmosphere, scientists said there is no way at this point to know whether there is a correlation between warming and tornado formation. "So far, there’s simply not enough information to say anything definitive about the future of tornadoes under climate change. But every thunderstorm, and every tornado, now takes place in a warmer, wetter atmosphere due to the increasing concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere," according to scientists at ClimateCentral.org. One thing is clear, however. The weather is getting bigger. That same month, three people died and 130 others had to be rescued when more than 12 inches of rain inundated San Antonio, Texas in one day more . . .

In June, Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland and the Czech Republic were inundated with torrential rains which drove thousands of people from their homes and left at least six people dead more . . .

In Pakistan, a scorching heat wave sent temperatures higher than at any time in the last six decades, with temperatures reaching as high as 124 F. more . . .

That same month, Colorado struggled with the most destructive wildfire in the state's history, scorching more than 1,500 acres and destroying more than 400 homes more . . .

In mid-June, weather extremes battered the globe. In western Canada, some 100,000 people were forced to evacuate their homes because of extremely heavy flooding more . . .

At the same time, tens of thousands of people were trapped in northern India by heavy monsoons and landslides which isolated about 100 towns and villages more . . .

In Alaska, after one of the coldest springs on record, temperatures soared into the low 90s setting new high temperature marks more . . .

In late June an epic wildfire in Colorado scorched more than 114 miles more . . .

At the beginning of July, the western US was scorched by a record-breaking heat wave that sent temperatures as high as 117 F. in Las Vegas and up to 128 F. in Death Valley, California more . . .

The extreme heat triggered an intense wildfire in Arizona that killed 19 firefighters more . . .

In early July, more than 300,000 people were without power in Toronto when the city was inundated by about three-and-a-half inches of rain, an average month's worth of precipitation, fell in one day more

What's the point Princess? ALL THIS caused by CO2? Including the freezing and the snow events? You think this is proof, evidence, biblical prophecy, or what?

The question is why do you keep trying to argue there's been - and will be - no change in weather intensity.

 

[flacaltenn]

The US is only about 2% of the Earth's surface, moron. Just because the US has seen somewhat fewer extreme weather events so far this year than last year does not mean that "the extreme weather stopped". The rest of the world is still experiencing them. Here's a partial list. The following article contains many links to full articles (where it says "more") so follow the link in the title to the source if you want to read more.

Extreme Weather Profile: 2013

At the beginning of 2013, a severe deep freeze, the worst in more than 40 years, killed more than 100 people in northern India more . . .

In Brazil, the worst drought in 50 years crippled the country's hydropower production and killed up to 30 percent of some crops more. . .

In early January, an especially powerful winter storm blasted the Middle East, freezing out some 50,000 Syrian refugees, and causing havoc in Jordan, Egypt and the West Bank more . . .

In Australia, a blistering heat wave sent temperatures about 123* F, melting roads, triggering wildfires and vaporizing gasoline more . . .

In mid-January, Chicago broke a 72-year record when the city went 320 days without snow more . . .

In southern California, temperatures plunged into the 20s, setting new records and threatening crops more . . .

In mid-January, intense flooding paralyzed Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, forcing the evacuation of tens of thousands of people more . . .

At the same time, an unusual storm dropped a foot of snow in southern Virginia and stranded motorists overnight in their cars in Alabama more . . .

In late January, extensive flooding in Mozambique killed at leat 46 people and left some 150,000 others homeless more . . .

At the same time, massive flooding forced the evacuations of thousands of people in the Australian states of Queensland and New South Wales more . . .

In early February, a massive blizzard struck the northeastern US, leaving 4 people dead and nearly 700,000 without power and forcing governors in five states to declare states of emergency. The storm dumped up to three feet of snow in parts of Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts more . . .

In March, New Zealand's worst water shortage in 30 years triggered bans on water use and left farmers considering the slaughter of cattle to reduce water demand more . . .

In Argentina, the area around Buenos Aires was hit with what officials called a "tsunami" of rain, which forced the evacuations of thousands of people, left some homes under nearly five feet of water and left at least 54 people dead more . . .

In mid-April, a massive storm system swept across the midwestern U.S. bringing record snow to North Dakota, dropping temperatures in Denver from 71* to 14* in one day and triggering the cancellation of 290 flights in Chicago more . . .

In May, 2013, the biggest tornado on record in the US, two miles wide with wind speeds up to 200 miles per hour, devastated the town of Moore, Oklahoma. While it raised questions about whether it was a consequence of a warming atmosphere, scientists said there is no way at this point to know whether there is a correlation between warming and tornado formation. "So far, there’s simply not enough information to say anything definitive about the future of tornadoes under climate change. But every thunderstorm, and every tornado, now takes place in a warmer, wetter atmosphere due to the increasing concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere," according to scientists at ClimateCentral.org. One thing is clear, however. The weather is getting bigger. That same month, three people died and 130 others had to be rescued when more than 12 inches of rain inundated San Antonio, Texas in one day more . . .

In June, Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland and the Czech Republic were inundated with torrential rains which drove thousands of people from their homes and left at least six people dead more . . .

In Pakistan, a scorching heat wave sent temperatures higher than at any time in the last six decades, with temperatures reaching as high as 124 F. more . . .

That same month, Colorado struggled with the most destructive wildfire in the state's history, scorching more than 1,500 acres and destroying more than 400 homes more . . .

In mid-June, weather extremes battered the globe. In western Canada, some 100,000 people were forced to evacuate their homes because of extremely heavy flooding more . . .

At the same time, tens of thousands of people were trapped in northern India by heavy monsoons and landslides which isolated about 100 towns and villages more . . .

In Alaska, after one of the coldest springs on record, temperatures soared into the low 90s setting new high temperature marks more . . .

In late June an epic wildfire in Colorado scorched more than 114 miles more . . .

At the beginning of July, the western US was scorched by a record-breaking heat wave that sent temperatures as high as 117 F. in Las Vegas and up to 128 F. in Death Valley, California more . . .

The extreme heat triggered an intense wildfire in Arizona that killed 19 firefighters more . . .

In early July, more than 300,000 people were without power in Toronto when the city was inundated by about three-and-a-half inches of rain, an average month's worth of precipitation, fell in one day more

What's the point Princess? ALL THIS caused by CO2? Including the freezing and the snow events? You think this is proof, evidence, biblical prophecy, or what?

The question is why do you keep trying to argue there's been - and will be - no change in weather intensity.

Not my argument at all. As usual..

"there's BEEN" --- no, there hasn't been.
"and will be" --- perhaps, but not manifested in the "weather intensity theory" you're citing.

Simple --- can you misquote me again now?

 

[Abraham3]

What's the point Princess? ALL THIS caused by CO2? Including the freezing and the snow events? You think this is proof, evidence, biblical prophecy, or what?

The question is why do you keep trying to argue there's been - and will be - no change in weather intensity.

Not my argument at all. As usual..

"there's BEEN" --- no, there hasn't been.
"and will be" --- perhaps, but not manifested in the "weather intensity theory" you're citing.

Simple --- can you misquote me again now?

Yes. Hmm... let's see...

"I am incredibly modest; fully aware of my own limitations".

How was that?

 

[flacaltenn]

The question is why do you keep trying to argue there's been - and will be - no change in weather intensity.

Not my argument at all. As usual..

"there's BEEN" --- no, there hasn't been.
"and will be" --- perhaps, but not manifested in the "weather intensity theory" you're citing.

Simple --- can you misquote me again now?

Yes. Hmm... let's see...

"I am incredibly modest; fully aware of my own limitations".

How was that?

Perfect...

 

[Abraham3]

Any comment on the 5-fold acceleration of glacial ice flow off the coast?

 

[flacaltenn]

Any comment on the 5-fold acceleration of glacial ice flow off the coast?

I don't do ice.. Too humble and modest I guess.. I know my limits..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Any comment on the 5-fold acceleration of glacial ice flow off the coast?

Yes, who cares?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

WOW!!! You can actually count. Amazing, and very surprising in someone as retarded as you are.







"Insane theories" are your domain, CrazyFruitcake, and you're good at concocting them but unfortunately awful at backing them up with any evidence. I just listen to what the vast majority of climate scientists are saying about what their data and research are revealing about the state of the Earth's climate patterns and temperatures. After a record breaking number of extreme weather events last year in the USA, it is not at all surprising that this year would see a reduced number of them.

Natural factors, like the position and behavior of the jet stream, cause the weather patterns in some area, like the USA, to vary from year to year. In the USA, 2012 was a year in which there were a record breaking number of extreme weather events while 2013 has, so far, had fewer extreme weather events. Because of AGW, the trend globally is towards more and more extreme weather events but that doesn't mean that every part of the planet will experience a greater number of such events every year than the previous year. Natural factors still influence the year to year variations in weather. It's really too bad that you and fecalhead and walleyed are all way too retarded to comprehend this.

According to your insane theory we had record number of "extreme" weather events (whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean) in 2012, we added more CO2 and then the extreme weather stopped. Yeah makes perfect sense and so logically consistent too

The US is only about 2% of the Earth's surface, moron. Just because the US has seen somewhat fewer extreme weather events so far this year than last year does not mean that "the extreme weather stopped". The rest of the world is still experiencing them. Here's a partial list. The following article contains many links to full articles (where it says "more") so follow the link in the title to the source if you want to read more.

Extreme Weather Profile: 2013

At the beginning of 2013, a severe deep freeze, the worst in more than 40 years, killed more than 100 people in northern India more . . .

In Brazil, the worst drought in 50 years crippled the country's hydropower production and killed up to 30 percent of some crops more. . .

In early January, an especially powerful winter storm blasted the Middle East, freezing out some 50,000 Syrian refugees, and causing havoc in Jordan, Egypt and the West Bank more . . .

In Australia, a blistering heat wave sent temperatures about 123* F, melting roads, triggering wildfires and vaporizing gasoline more . . .

In mid-January, Chicago broke a 72-year record when the city went 320 days without snow more . . .

In southern California, temperatures plunged into the 20s, setting new records and threatening crops more . . .

In mid-January, intense flooding paralyzed Jakarta, the capital of Indonesia, forcing the evacuation of tens of thousands of people more . . .

At the same time, an unusual storm dropped a foot of snow in southern Virginia and stranded motorists overnight in their cars in Alabama more . . .

In late January, extensive flooding in Mozambique killed at leat 46 people and left some 150,000 others homeless more . . .

At the same time, massive flooding forced the evacuations of thousands of people in the Australian states of Queensland and New South Wales more . . .

In early February, a massive blizzard struck the northeastern US, leaving 4 people dead and nearly 700,000 without power and forcing governors in five states to declare states of emergency. The storm dumped up to three feet of snow in parts of Connecticut, Rhode Island and Massachusetts more . . .

In March, New Zealand's worst water shortage in 30 years triggered bans on water use and left farmers considering the slaughter of cattle to reduce water demand more . . .

In Argentina, the area around Buenos Aires was hit with what officials called a "tsunami" of rain, which forced the evacuations of thousands of people, left some homes under nearly five feet of water and left at least 54 people dead more . . .

In mid-April, a massive storm system swept across the midwestern U.S. bringing record snow to North Dakota, dropping temperatures in Denver from 71* to 14* in one day and triggering the cancellation of 290 flights in Chicago more . . .

In May, 2013, the biggest tornado on record in the US, two miles wide with wind speeds up to 200 miles per hour, devastated the town of Moore, Oklahoma. While it raised questions about whether it was a consequence of a warming atmosphere, scientists said there is no way at this point to know whether there is a correlation between warming and tornado formation. "So far, there’s simply not enough information to say anything definitive about the future of tornadoes under climate change. But every thunderstorm, and every tornado, now takes place in a warmer, wetter atmosphere due to the increasing concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere," according to scientists at ClimateCentral.org. One thing is clear, however. The weather is getting bigger. That same month, three people died and 130 others had to be rescued when more than 12 inches of rain inundated San Antonio, Texas in one day more . . .

In June, Germany, Austria, Poland, Switzerland and the Czech Republic were inundated with torrential rains which drove thousands of people from their homes and left at least six people dead more . . .

In Pakistan, a scorching heat wave sent temperatures higher than at any time in the last six decades, with temperatures reaching as high as 124 F. more . . .

That same month, Colorado struggled with the most destructive wildfire in the state's history, scorching more than 1,500 acres and destroying more than 400 homes more . . .

In mid-June, weather extremes battered the globe. In western Canada, some 100,000 people were forced to evacuate their homes because of extremely heavy flooding more . . .

At the same time, tens of thousands of people were trapped in northern India by heavy monsoons and landslides which isolated about 100 towns and villages more . . .

In Alaska, after one of the coldest springs on record, temperatures soared into the low 90s setting new high temperature marks more . . .

In late June an epic wildfire in Colorado scorched more than 114 miles more . . .

At the beginning of July, the western US was scorched by a record-breaking heat wave that sent temperatures as high as 117 F. in Las Vegas and up to 128 F. in Death Valley, California more . . .

The extreme heat triggered an intense wildfire in Arizona that killed 19 firefighters more . . .

In early July, more than 300,000 people were without power in Toronto when the city was inundated by about three-and-a-half inches of rain, an average month's worth of precipitation, fell in one day more

Honey Boo Boo keeps confusing weather for climate.

Posting headline from the "Weather Channel" is not climate change

 

[Abraham3]

Jeez, Frank... you're running a little low on the ol' brain gas.

Data concerning weather events are perfectly valid in a discussion about severe WEATHER events.

And, way up there, where you said there was all that severe weather in 2012 and then it just stopped? The list Thunder posted here is

FROM 2013.​

 

[westwall]

Jeez, Frank... you're running a little low on the ol' brain gas.

Data concerning weather events are perfectly valid in a discussion about severe WEATHER events.

And, way up there, where you said there was all that severe weather in 2012 and then it just stopped? The list Thunder posted here is

FROM 2013.​

The only problem being there are no greater number of "severe" weather events now than in the past. Quite the opposite in point of fact.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Well, sort of Pretty startling to see it still growing...maximum extent is reached in September normally...

Brrr… Antarctica Sea Ice Reaches 30 Year Record by Extent and Volume

--LOL

feb 2013

sept 2013

 

[flacaltenn]

Well, sort of Pretty startling to see it still growing...maximum extent is reached in September normally...

Brrr… Antarctica Sea Ice Reaches 30 Year Record by Extent and Volume

--LOL

feb 2013

sept 2013

Now THATS a scary set of pixs. How long b4 u can walk to the south pole from tierra del fuego?