Modbert
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Modbert got a cumulative 600 on the SAT
I think I would have died from shock if that happened.
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Modbert got a cumulative 600 on the SAT
These are all great ideas in a Utopian World, but who is going to teach the parents how to teach the kids they homeschool?
Well, it's like magic you know! The almighty dollar will come down from the heavens and impart the wisdom personally!
Modbert got a cumulative 600 on the SAT
I think I would of died from shock if that happened.
Would HAVE...
Modbert got a cumulative 600 on the SAT
I think I would have died from shock if that happened.
Why would getting the lowest possible score on "a a worthless indicator of how intelligent one is or how well educated they are" kill you?
Why would getting the lowest possible score on "a a worthless indicator of how intelligent one is or how well educated they are" kill you?
At the time I took the test, I didn't realize just how worthless of a indicator it was. As life went on, learned that lesson.
Even in a home-schooled environment, if the kid's not motivated to learn then I don't think it'll make much of a difference. Public education isn't perfect, but is any human institution perfect? I think public ed does a decent but not great job overall. Private schools are a good alternative if you've got the money, and home schooling can be a valid option for certain families, too.
Our public education system could be better, I think. We don't do to well compared to other developed nations, but... isn't public eduction the primary source of schooling in those countries, too? I think the problem isn't that education is publicly funded, it's how the system is set up. And, of course, parenting and cultural attitudes play a factor in this, too. Some parents could be great home schoolers, other not so much. Some families can afford a private tutor, or private schooling, others not so much.
This is one of those things where I think we could look to Western Europe and parts of Asia to see what those countries do and how that my translate to our shores. I don't know if that makes me a socialist commie or not.
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Again, and sadly, it all comes down to the allmighty dollar
Parents who care about education have children who care about their education. It's not really comparing apples to apples. It just saddens and frustrates me that some kids - yes POOR ones- don't have any choice. Homeschooling and private school are not an option for many. That's why I can't understand why anyone who claims to give a damn about poor kids or education would be opposed to vouchers. Befuddling to me.
Poor Vietnamese kid falls off the boat from Asia and 5 years later speaks perfect English, plays the violin, wins a spelling bee, and is doing calculus.
Why?
As to "screw the poor parents"
that is already happening and has been so for a very long time. The wealthier parents have always had options regarding their child's education - the poor are often stuck with whatever school district they happen to live in.
That is why continued push for state school voucher programs can help level the playing field for middle and lower middle class families - allow them to shop private school opportunities, thus breaking the public school monopoly that currently exists, which in turn, will force those same public schools to compete and become better in the process. Win-win for everyone.
I have always found it ironic that some liberals proclaim how supportive they are of the concept of choice. It would appear that choice is simply limited to aborting children, not educating them...
As to "screw the poor parents"
that is already happening and has been so for a very long time. The wealthier parents have always had options regarding their child's education - the poor are often stuck with whatever school district they happen to live in.
That is why continued push for state school voucher programs can help level the playing field for middle and lower middle class families - allow them to shop private school opportunities, thus breaking the public school monopoly that currently exists, which in turn, will force those same public schools to compete and become better in the process. Win-win for everyone.
I have always found it ironic that some liberals proclaim how supportive they are of the concept of choice. It would appear that choice is simply limited to aborting children, not educating them...
Dude is up to his eyeballs in non USMB stuff today, but took time to toss me the following blurb on education. So this is his thread as much as mine.
The thesis is that good parents are able to realign priorities and do what they have to do to get it done where their kids are concerned. And they generally do it better than what we are seeing from the government these days.
Education. As Kevin and Deanna Daum were spiraling toward bankruptcy in 2009, they decided they could live without their two cars, their two residences, and most niceties. But they insisted on keeping up tuition payments for their son, then a senior at a private high school. Many Americans seems to feel likewise. While data doesn't readily show how much families spend on schooling, many families say they've given up other things in order to protect their kids' education, whether it's private school or college, tutoring, enrichment programs or school-related activities. Private school enrollments fell by less than one percent from 2008 to 2010, and college enrollments have gone up over the last couple of years. That's partly because jobs are scarce, but also because Americans simply value education. "This is an investment that pays off very well," says Sandy Baum, an economist at the College Board. "People are willing to borrow for it and they know that it's shortsighted to forego it."
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All across the country we see parents making great personal sacrifices to pay for good schools or to homeschool their kids with very positive results being posted for their effort. Students who attend private school or who are homeschooled are far more likely to graduate highschool, are far more likely to post high ACT and SAT scores, and are far more likely to go on to higher learning than are public schooled kids. Further they are less likely to get involved in illegal activities, are less likely to have run ins with the law, and are usually very well adjusted socially.
Would this not suggest that we need to start backing the federal government out of most of education rather than pushing for more and more investment of tax dollars and other government involvement?[.quote]
Will it?
How?
What I read suggests that engaged parents typically have children with better educational outcomes.
Yeah, I certainly believe that, too
But I don't really see how you arrive at your suggestion, given the quote you cite.
Can you take me though the logic of your arrived conclusion, so even I could understand it?
You might be totally right and I'm missing something obvious, or you may have just missed some of the steps you used to arrive at it.
Is it not possible that good parents can and will do a better job for their kids than will the government?
Sure it is.
Who would argue that point?
But how does defunding the DOE make parents better, exactly?
I don't see your connection.
- allow them to shop private school opportunities, ..
As to "screw the poor parents"
that is already happening and has been so for a very long time. The wealthier parents have always had options regarding their child's education - the poor are often stuck with whatever school district they happen to live in.
That is why continued push for state school voucher programs can help level the playing field for middle and lower middle class families - allow them to shop private school opportunities, thus breaking the public school monopoly that currently exists, which in turn, will force those same public schools to compete and become better in the process. Win-win for everyone.
I have always found it ironic that some liberals proclaim how supportive they are of the concept of choice. It would appear that choice is simply limited to aborting children, not educating them...
It seems liberals would cherish the idea of school vouchers. Redistribution of education, helping the poor black kids, etc.
But then add teachers unions to the mix.
Ah, when all the chips are on the table, always count on liberals to choose in favor of the unions. Thats why SEIU can have angry mobs show up on the lawn of private citizen bankers threatening them and displaying near lynch mob mentality, and MSNBC ignores it.
All children can succeed if given the chance, not matter where they come from.
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Again, and sadly, it all comes down to the allmighty dollar
Bullshit
That would change with a voucher program. It's a nice idea on the surface, but it's really just subsidized private education that would end up changing private ed into something similar to our public ed system we have now. Unintended consequences and all that.