Another Lie debunked-IG report concludes FBI did not spy on trump campaign

[Oldstyle]

It was on the rise. It was REALLY was on the rise after Barry's stimulus cratered!
It was on the decline when Trump took office and has continued to decline because of his economic policies.

Now that I've answered your simple question how about you answer mine? What Obama economic policy created jobs and lowered unemployment?

So you admit that the decline began under Obama. Good boy. Trump has continued Obama’s good economy...for now.

Well if you look at it...unemployment was going up until the Democrats got shellacked in the first midterm...losing both the House and the Senate! Then and only then did the economy start to improve because Barry couldn't push his liberal agenda.

I notice that you avoided answering my question again, Seawytch! You really don't know much about what Barack Obama's economic policies WERE...do you? If he was such a great President with the economy then it should be easy for you to point out what HE did to lower unemployment and create jobs yet you struggle to do so. Why is that?

Just stop. Trump hasn't done dick...except continue the good economy he was handed. Good on him for not screwing it up yet. (Not for lack of trying...ahem, trade war).

What Kind Of 'Jobs President' Has Obama Been — In 8 Charts

All of this is to say that Trump inherits a job market that is humming along comfortably, given how poor of shape it was in only recently. But it's also an economy that has sharply moved away from manufacturing and other goods-producing industries — the very ones he pushed the most in the election. That change has hurt plenty of Americans, despite the job market's improvement.

Trump has tried to claim credit for several hundred goods-producing jobs here and there (credit that he doesn't always deserve, as the Washington Post's Philip Bump has reported), but bringing manufacturing employment back in a sizable way seems like a tall order for any president. Furthermore, alternative work — like driving an Uber or Lyft — continues to grow quickly as a share of the economy. That change could eventually require policy attention, as more workers take jobs that don't come with benefits.

But there's another big caveat here. Presidents get lots of credit and blame for the economy's performance, despite the fact that they don't really have firm control over that performance. (If they did, why would recessions ever happen?)

Yes, a president can push an economic agenda and in some cases push particular policies that end up having a sizable impact on the economy (see: the 2009 stimulus package, which undeniably had a positive impact).​

You can't come up with anything that Obama did policy wise to create jobs...can you, Seawytch? Was that the best you could find? That's a testament to how pathetic Barry's performance WAS on job creation!

The stimulus had an undeniable positive impact. We stopped hemorrhaging jobs.

Two Charts Show Trump's Job Gains Are Just A Continuation From Obama's Presidency

Unemployment rate has been dropping for 9 years

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump . The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.

Bush’s last four years in office:

• December 2005: 4.9%
• December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
• December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
• December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office

• December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
• December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
• December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
• December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
• December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

• December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
• September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

Its really simple, Trump has continued the good economy he was handed by Barack Obama but you treat him like he turned water into wine. That is the epitome of a sycophant.

You keep posting the same thing and pretending that you've answered my question. You haven't.

Were jobs created while Barack Obama was President? They were. Without question. Things like the energy boom created tens of thousands of new jobs. Unfortunately for your argument that wasn't something that was accomplished by Barack Obama...it was something that happened despite his policies! Barack Obama actively resisted fracking advances. Production of oil and natural gas on lands controlled by the Federal Government decreased while he was President. Production of oil and natural gas on lands that he didn't control was up dramatically.

So again...WHAT OBAMA ECONOMIC POLICIES CREATED JOBS? My point all along is that the good economy that you keep crediting to Barry happened not because of Obama policies but despite them. He was pushing for Cap & Trade legislation as his next big policy initiative before the Democrats were crushed in the first mid term elections...something that would have been a jobs KILLER at a time when millions of Americans had been out of work for years! The new GOP Congress stopped Cap & Trade. The GOP Congress saved the US economy from another Obama economic blunder!

 

[Redfish]

It's pretty obvious. We will get fuller information from Durham.

On Wednesday during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Senator Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) dropped a bomb about FBI interference in the 2016 election while questioning Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz about his report regarding misconduct in the espionage operation against the Trump campaign in 2016.

“Is it worse to have a foreign government trying to meddle in our elections, or is it worse to have our own government meddling in the election?” asked Hawley. Referring to the report, Hawley continued: "It shows that our government, the most powerful law enforcement agency in the nation, the FBI, effectively meddled in an ongoing presidential campaign."​

Hawley then called out the Democratic National Committee for instigating the whole mess.

“The DNC pays for the Steele dossier, solicits the Steele dossier, and then gets the Federal Bureau of Investigation to go get FISA warrants, surveil an American citizen, and surveil a presidential campaign all on the basis of this manufactured garbage that they paid for. I mean that’s extraordinary," he complained. "That has got to be a first time in history. In fact, let me just ask you, Mr. Horowitz, are you aware ever of another presidential campaign being targeted by the FBI like the Trump campaign was?”
​

Horowitz had to answer in the negative and also confirmed what we all knew was the case: that the DNC did pay for the Steele dossier that has been proven to be false and defamatory nonsense that was used to justify the spying.

"To me, this is the untold story of the 2016 campaign," continued Hawley. "I don't know who at the DNC hatched this, but I suppose they ought to take a victory lap, but certainly they should be remembered for it; to get the FBI to pursue surveillance of a rival presidential campaign and then into the newly elected president's term I think is just extraordinary."​

Hawley then grilled Horowitz about why the criminals at the FBI involved in this are still employed. No one knows. Hawley closed with this bombshell: "I think the collusion here was between the DNC and the FBI."

Unreal.

Watch Senator Hawley’s full exchange Michael Horowitz:

Yeah, Comey claims the the report vindicated him, Horowitz said it doesn't vindicate anyone who touched that pile of shit, including Comey.

.

Comey is a tall pile of crap and dirtier than Mueller and J Edgar Hoover. Trump was absolutely dead on the money on this clown and right to fire him.

It did result in the Muller Investigation, which found nothing on Trump or the campaign.
And when that failed, we got Schiff and Whistleblower crap.
That will soon fail and finally Trump will have all this nonsense behind him.

Interesting point from Horowitz, going all the way back before the election, they ONLY found exculpatory evidence, they NEVER found incriminating evidence of the Russian/Trump collusion. It was ALWAYS a giant pile of lies, that collapsed well before the election, was resurrected on the Clinton dossier of Kremlin disinformation, and with lies and deceit laundered into 3 year witch hunt, when they never had anything and they all knew it. Today it continues as the Shiff/Whistleblower impeachment.

Impeach Trump: The Democrat Party’s 2020 Election Concession Speech.

They know they can’t convict or remove him from office, and they know they can’t beat him in November.

trump has violated laws. If he is re elected you will come to understand what kind of mistake allowing him power is.

which ones, give us the statutes by number. Nadler and Schiff couldn't find any or they would have put them in their impeachment report.

So, for the last time, which laws has Trump broken?

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

 

[Redfish]

So you admit that the decline began under Obama. Good boy. Trump has continued Obama’s good economy...for now.

Well if you look at it...unemployment was going up until the Democrats got shellacked in the first midterm...losing both the House and the Senate! Then and only then did the economy start to improve because Barry couldn't push his liberal agenda.

I notice that you avoided answering my question again, Seawytch! You really don't know much about what Barack Obama's economic policies WERE...do you? If he was such a great President with the economy then it should be easy for you to point out what HE did to lower unemployment and create jobs yet you struggle to do so. Why is that?

Just stop. Trump hasn't done dick...except continue the good economy he was handed. Good on him for not screwing it up yet. (Not for lack of trying...ahem, trade war).

What Kind Of 'Jobs President' Has Obama Been — In 8 Charts

All of this is to say that Trump inherits a job market that is humming along comfortably, given how poor of shape it was in only recently. But it's also an economy that has sharply moved away from manufacturing and other goods-producing industries — the very ones he pushed the most in the election. That change has hurt plenty of Americans, despite the job market's improvement.

Trump has tried to claim credit for several hundred goods-producing jobs here and there (credit that he doesn't always deserve, as the Washington Post's Philip Bump has reported), but bringing manufacturing employment back in a sizable way seems like a tall order for any president. Furthermore, alternative work — like driving an Uber or Lyft — continues to grow quickly as a share of the economy. That change could eventually require policy attention, as more workers take jobs that don't come with benefits.

But there's another big caveat here. Presidents get lots of credit and blame for the economy's performance, despite the fact that they don't really have firm control over that performance. (If they did, why would recessions ever happen?)

Yes, a president can push an economic agenda and in some cases push particular policies that end up having a sizable impact on the economy (see: the 2009 stimulus package, which undeniably had a positive impact).​

You can't come up with anything that Obama did policy wise to create jobs...can you, Seawytch? Was that the best you could find? That's a testament to how pathetic Barry's performance WAS on job creation!

The stimulus had an undeniable positive impact. We stopped hemorrhaging jobs.

Two Charts Show Trump's Job Gains Are Just A Continuation From Obama's Presidency

Unemployment rate has been dropping for 9 years

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump . The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.

Bush’s last four years in office:

• December 2005: 4.9%
• December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
• December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
• December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office

• December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
• December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
• December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
• December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
• December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

• December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
• September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

Its really simple, Trump has continued the good economy he was handed by Barack Obama but you treat him like he turned water into wine. That is the epitome of a sycophant.

You keep posting the same thing and pretending that you've answered my question. You haven't.

Were jobs created while Barack Obama was President? They were. Without question. Things like the energy boom created tens of thousands of new jobs. Unfortunately for your argument that wasn't something that was accomplished by Barack Obama...it was something that happened despite his policies! Barack Obama actively resisted fracking advances. Production of oil and natural gas on lands controlled by the Federal Government decreased while he was President. Production of oil and natural gas on lands that he didn't control was up dramatically.

So again...WHAT OBAMA ECONOMIC POLICIES CREATED JOBS? My point all along is that the good economy that you keep crediting to Barry happened not because of Obama policies but despite them. He was pushing for Cap & Trade legislation as his next big policy initiative before the Democrats were crushed in the first mid term elections...something that would have been a jobs KILLER at a time when millions of Americans had been out of work for years! The new GOP Congress stopped Cap & Trade. The GOP Congress saved the US economy from another Obama economic blunder!

dont expect a reply from witchey, she is hiding under her bed with her Barry doll.

 

[Redfish]

Perhaps Eddie can show us where Barry set those records for lowest unemployment numbers in history?

Trump Is Falling Almost 1 Million Jobs Short Vs. Obama

Articles like that one never fail to make me laugh, Seawytch! You can't show us where Barry set a record for low unemployment...and you can't tell me what Obama economic policies created jobs...but you CAN cherry pick numbers to try and make a President who was terrible with the economy look good!

What is laughable is Trump starting with unemployment below 5% and you think Trump is awesome because the drop that began under Obama has continued under Trump. What was the unemployment rate at the start of Obama's presidency and what was it at the end? How do you spin that as terrible?

what was the best UE rate during obama's 8 years? what is it today? Now, after posting those you can STFU

Best under Obama was 4.7%. It’s now 3.6%. It’s not exactly an monumental shift.

Lowest in history for black americans, hispanic americans, women, asian americans. tell them its insignificant.

 

[berg80]

So you admit that the decline began under Obama. Good boy. Trump has continued Obama’s good economy...for now.

Well if you look at it...unemployment was going up until the Democrats got shellacked in the first midterm...losing both the House and the Senate! Then and only then did the economy start to improve because Barry couldn't push his liberal agenda.

I notice that you avoided answering my question again, Seawytch! You really don't know much about what Barack Obama's economic policies WERE...do you? If he was such a great President with the economy then it should be easy for you to point out what HE did to lower unemployment and create jobs yet you struggle to do so. Why is that?

Just stop. Trump hasn't done dick...except continue the good economy he was handed. Good on him for not screwing it up yet. (Not for lack of trying...ahem, trade war).

What Kind Of 'Jobs President' Has Obama Been — In 8 Charts

All of this is to say that Trump inherits a job market that is humming along comfortably, given how poor of shape it was in only recently. But it's also an economy that has sharply moved away from manufacturing and other goods-producing industries — the very ones he pushed the most in the election. That change has hurt plenty of Americans, despite the job market's improvement.

Trump has tried to claim credit for several hundred goods-producing jobs here and there (credit that he doesn't always deserve, as the Washington Post's Philip Bump has reported), but bringing manufacturing employment back in a sizable way seems like a tall order for any president. Furthermore, alternative work — like driving an Uber or Lyft — continues to grow quickly as a share of the economy. That change could eventually require policy attention, as more workers take jobs that don't come with benefits.

But there's another big caveat here. Presidents get lots of credit and blame for the economy's performance, despite the fact that they don't really have firm control over that performance. (If they did, why would recessions ever happen?)

Yes, a president can push an economic agenda and in some cases push particular policies that end up having a sizable impact on the economy (see: the 2009 stimulus package, which undeniably had a positive impact).​

You can't come up with anything that Obama did policy wise to create jobs...can you, Seawytch? Was that the best you could find? That's a testament to how pathetic Barry's performance WAS on job creation!

The stimulus had an undeniable positive impact. We stopped hemorrhaging jobs.

Two Charts Show Trump's Job Gains Are Just A Continuation From Obama's Presidency

Unemployment rate has been dropping for 9 years

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump . The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.

Bush’s last four years in office:

• December 2005: 4.9%
• December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
• December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
• December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office

• December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
• December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
• December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
• December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
• December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

• December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
• September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

Its really simple, Trump has continued the good economy he was handed by Barack Obama but you treat him like he turned water into wine. That is the epitome of a sycophant.

You keep posting the same thing and pretending that you've answered my question. You haven't.

Were jobs created while Barack Obama was President? They were. Without question. Things like the energy boom created tens of thousands of new jobs. Unfortunately for your argument that wasn't something that was accomplished by Barack Obama...it was something that happened despite his policies! Barack Obama actively resisted fracking advances. Production of oil and natural gas on lands controlled by the Federal Government decreased while he was President. Production of oil and natural gas on lands that he didn't control was up dramatically.

So again...WHAT OBAMA ECONOMIC POLICIES CREATED JOBS? My point all along is that the good economy that you keep crediting to Barry happened not because of Obama policies but despite them. He was pushing for Cap & Trade legislation as his next big policy initiative before the Democrats were crushed in the first mid term elections...something that would have been a jobs KILLER at a time when millions of Americans had been out of work for years! The new GOP Congress stopped Cap & Trade. The GOP Congress saved the US economy from another Obama economic blunder!

FactChecking Trump's Energy Boasts

 

[berg80]

Yeah, Comey claims the the report vindicated him, Horowitz said it doesn't vindicate anyone who touched that pile of shit, including Comey.

.

Comey is a tall pile of crap and dirtier than Mueller and J Edgar Hoover. Trump was absolutely dead on the money on this clown and right to fire him.

It did result in the Muller Investigation, which found nothing on Trump or the campaign.
And when that failed, we got Schiff and Whistleblower crap.
That will soon fail and finally Trump will have all this nonsense behind him.

Interesting point from Horowitz, going all the way back before the election, they ONLY found exculpatory evidence, they NEVER found incriminating evidence of the Russian/Trump collusion. It was ALWAYS a giant pile of lies, that collapsed well before the election, was resurrected on the Clinton dossier of Kremlin disinformation, and with lies and deceit laundered into 3 year witch hunt, when they never had anything and they all knew it. Today it continues as the Shiff/Whistleblower impeachment.

Impeach Trump: The Democrat Party’s 2020 Election Concession Speech.

They know they can’t convict or remove him from office, and they know they can’t beat him in November.

trump has violated laws. If he is re elected you will come to understand what kind of mistake allowing him power is.

which ones, give us the statutes by number. Nadler and Schiff couldn't find any or they would have put them in their impeachment report.

So, for the last time, which laws has Trump broken?

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

And of course obstructing a congressional investigation is also illegal.

 

[Redfish]

Did you watch the hearings today? Graham's committee is bringing out the truth and the dems are scrambling like toads on a hotplate trying to spin the facts, but they are losing big time.

You obviously were not watching any hearings. You're only watching what Hannity shows you.

I watched a lot of it, but it was very boring. Obviously you only watched CNN who cut to commercial every time one of the republicans asked real questions or refuted the dem lies.

and for the record, I don't watch Hannity. but you must since you know what he says.

Stop lying. You didn't watch the hearings. Some right wing site gave you a headline and you watched a five minute video of Ms. Lindsay gradstanding.

Nothing Trump said about the "oranges" of the Russia Investigation was true. Not a hoax, not a witch hunt. You said to wait for this report. Okay, its out and none of your made up storylines were true.

I watched as much of it as I could stomach. the pathetic dems have nothing, no crimes, just "we don't like the way he talks".

the senate will kill this hoax. and the dems will lose the house because of it. the american people are fed up with morons like Schiff, Nadler, and mama Pelosi.

No, the Senate will abdicate their duty to the Constitution and their country in favor of a vulgar, authoritarian with a pattern of corrupt behavior and obstruction.

the house committee vote was strictly on partisan lines, the vote in the entire house will have democrats voting no with all of the republicans. I suspect that the vote in the senate to deny the bill will also be bi-partisan because there is no evidence of the commission of any crimes by the president.

However, there is evidence of crimes by Schiff, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Steele, the clinton campaign, and the DNC. If you think this is over, you are very wrong. the dems are destroying themselves in their blood lust to remove Trump.

 

[Redfish]

Comey is a tall pile of crap and dirtier than Mueller and J Edgar Hoover. Trump was absolutely dead on the money on this clown and right to fire him.

It did result in the Muller Investigation, which found nothing on Trump or the campaign.
And when that failed, we got Schiff and Whistleblower crap.
That will soon fail and finally Trump will have all this nonsense behind him.

Interesting point from Horowitz, going all the way back before the election, they ONLY found exculpatory evidence, they NEVER found incriminating evidence of the Russian/Trump collusion. It was ALWAYS a giant pile of lies, that collapsed well before the election, was resurrected on the Clinton dossier of Kremlin disinformation, and with lies and deceit laundered into 3 year witch hunt, when they never had anything and they all knew it. Today it continues as the Shiff/Whistleblower impeachment.

Impeach Trump: The Democrat Party’s 2020 Election Concession Speech.

They know they can’t convict or remove him from office, and they know they can’t beat him in November.

trump has violated laws. If he is re elected you will come to understand what kind of mistake allowing him power is.

which ones, give us the statutes by number. Nadler and Schiff couldn't find any or they would have put them in their impeachment report.

So, for the last time, which laws has Trump broken?

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

And of course obstructing a congressional investigation is also illegal.

your first cite confirms that what the hillary campaign and the DNC did was illegal--------paying for a russian dossier of lies about their political rival.

exercising constitutional executive privilege is not illegal, every president has done it. Obozo did it multiple times, Holder was censured by congress for doing it.

 

[berg80]

there is no evidence of the commission of any crimes by the president.

Except for the evidence he solicited foreign assistance in a US election and withheld congressionally appropriated military aid for Ukraine. You mean except for that evidence?

 

[berg80]

trump has violated laws. If he is re elected you will come to understand what kind of mistake allowing him power is.

which ones, give us the statutes by number. Nadler and Schiff couldn't find any or they would have put them in their impeachment report.

So, for the last time, which laws has Trump broken?

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

And of course obstructing a congressional investigation is also illegal.

your first cite confirms that what the hillary campaign and the DNC did was illegal--------paying for a russian dossier of lies about their political rival.

exercising constitutional executive privilege is not illegal, every president has done it. Obozo did it multiple times, Holder was censured by congress for doing it.

You are simply ignorant of the facts surrounding the dossier and make the specious assertion executive privilege can be turned on its head by the prez to be claimed indiscriminately. It can't, there is no precedent for what Team Trump is claiming.

 

[Redfish]

there is no evidence of the commission of any crimes by the president.

Except for the evidence he solicited foreign assistance in a US election and withheld congressionally appropriated military aid for Ukraine. You mean except for that evidence?

that is an allegation made by the desperate dems on the Schiff and Nadler committees. There is no evidence to support that allegation, thats why they did not put it in the impeachment bill. Zelensky has said repeatedly that there was no quid pro quo, they got the aid, they got the whitehouse meeting, no investigation of the corrupt Bidens was started or promised.

But don't lose faith, the Biden bribery scandal will be brought to light, as will the bribes to Pelosi, Romney, and Kerry by putting their kids on that corrupt company board at ridiculous salaries. It was influence buying, plain and simple. If you can't see that, you are more of an idiot that I thought.

 

[Redfish]

which ones, give us the statutes by number. Nadler and Schiff couldn't find any or they would have put them in their impeachment report.

So, for the last time, which laws has Trump broken?

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

And of course obstructing a congressional investigation is also illegal.

your first cite confirms that what the hillary campaign and the DNC did was illegal--------paying for a russian dossier of lies about their political rival.

exercising constitutional executive privilege is not illegal, every president has done it. Obozo did it multiple times, Holder was censured by congress for doing it.

You are simply ignorant of the facts surrounding the dossier and make the specious assertion executive privilege can be turned on its head by the prez to be claimed indiscriminately. It can't, there is no precedent for what Team Trump is claiming.

so over 200 years of precedent by 44 presidents doesn't count?

 

[berg80]

your first cite confirms that what the hillary campaign and the DNC did was illegal--------paying for a russian dossier of lies about their political rival.

There is no comparison between a campaign hiring a research firm to do work on Trump's activities in Russia, done by someone who did not know who he was working for, and neither did the campaign know who was doing the research or how he was doing it.......................to Trump directly asking the leader of a foreign nation to initiate an investigation of a likely political rival. The comparison is inane and only made to convince Trumpette's what Don did was "perfect."

 

[berg80]

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

And of course obstructing a congressional investigation is also illegal.

your first cite confirms that what the hillary campaign and the DNC did was illegal--------paying for a russian dossier of lies about their political rival.

exercising constitutional executive privilege is not illegal, every president has done it. Obozo did it multiple times, Holder was censured by congress for doing it.

You are simply ignorant of the facts surrounding the dossier and make the specious assertion executive privilege can be turned on its head by the prez to be claimed indiscriminately. It can't, there is no precedent for what Team Trump is claiming.

so over 200 years of precedent by 44 presidents doesn't count?

No prez has ever claimed blanket privilege............ever. Each claim of privilege must be justified on its individual merits. The assertion documents and testimony can be withheld indiscriminately is without legal standing.

Why Trump's claim of executive privilege is different - CNNPolitics

 

[Redfish]

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

And of course obstructing a congressional investigation is also illegal.

your first cite confirms that what the hillary campaign and the DNC did was illegal--------paying for a russian dossier of lies about their political rival.

exercising constitutional executive privilege is not illegal, every president has done it. Obozo did it multiple times, Holder was censured by congress for doing it.

You are simply ignorant of the facts surrounding the dossier and make the specious assertion executive privilege can be turned on its head by the prez to be claimed indiscriminately. It can't, there is no precedent for what Team Trump is claiming.

so over 200 years of precedent by 44 presidents doesn't count?

No prez has ever claimed blanket privilege............ever. Each claim of privilege must be justified on its individual merits. The assertion documents and testimony can be withheld indiscriminately is without legal standing.

did you get that from Maddow or Blitzer? Its bullshit no matter which talking head gave it to you.

funny, you and the left wing media were happy as pigs in shit when obozo did the exact same things on fast and furious, and when he "gave" pallets of cash to the Iranian terrorist regime without congressional authorization.

 

[Zorro!]

Yeah, Comey claims the the report vindicated him, Horowitz said it doesn't vindicate anyone who touched that pile of shit, including Comey.

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Comey is a tall pile of crap and dirtier than Mueller and J Edgar Hoover. Trump was absolutely dead on the money on this clown and right to fire him.

It did result in the Muller Investigation, which found nothing on Trump or the campaign.
And when that failed, we got Schiff and Whistleblower crap.
That will soon fail and finally Trump will have all this nonsense behind him.

Interesting point from Horowitz, going all the way back before the election, they ONLY found exculpatory evidence, they NEVER found incriminating evidence of the Russian/Trump collusion. It was ALWAYS a giant pile of lies, that collapsed well before the election, was resurrected on the Clinton dossier of Kremlin disinformation, and with lies and deceit laundered into 3 year witch hunt, when they never had anything and they all knew it. Today it continues as the Shiff/Whistleblower impeachment.

Impeach Trump: The Democrat Party’s 2020 Election Concession Speech.

They know they can’t convict or remove him from office, and they know they can’t beat him in November.

trump has violated laws. If he is re elected you will come to understand what kind of mistake allowing him power is.

which ones, give us the statutes by number. Nadler and Schiff couldn't find any or they would have put them in their impeachment report.

So, for the last time, which laws has Trump broken?

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

This is a political stunt, not a serious attempt to removed the President.

As such, it is an abuse of power, BY CONGRESS

 

[depotoo]

Comey is a tall pile of crap and dirtier than Mueller and J Edgar Hoover. Trump was absolutely dead on the money on this clown and right to fire him.

It did result in the Muller Investigation, which found nothing on Trump or the campaign.
And when that failed, we got Schiff and Whistleblower crap.
That will soon fail and finally Trump will have all this nonsense behind him.

Interesting point from Horowitz, going all the way back before the election, they ONLY found exculpatory evidence, they NEVER found incriminating evidence of the Russian/Trump collusion. It was ALWAYS a giant pile of lies, that collapsed well before the election, was resurrected on the Clinton dossier of Kremlin disinformation, and with lies and deceit laundered into 3 year witch hunt, when they never had anything and they all knew it. Today it continues as the Shiff/Whistleblower impeachment.

Impeach Trump: The Democrat Party’s 2020 Election Concession Speech.

They know they can’t convict or remove him from office, and they know they can’t beat him in November.

trump has violated laws. If he is re elected you will come to understand what kind of mistake allowing him power is.

which ones, give us the statutes by number. Nadler and Schiff couldn't find any or they would have put them in their impeachment report.

So, for the last time, which laws has Trump broken?

You can stop trying to repeat republican talking points. You know what laws trump has broken. Your ass is Perry Mason when it comes to democrats even after investigations show no crime was committed. Therefore you know what crimes trump has committed but you don't care because he's a republican.

If its so obvious why are there no broken laws cited in the impeachment bill? Abuse of power and contempt of congress are not crimes. If they were then every previous president has committed them and 90% of americans currently hold congress in contempt.

So, one final time. Give us the numbers of the US statutes that Trump has violated. the Nadler and Schiff committees couldn't do it so I'm sure they would appreciate your help.

This is a political stunt, not a serious attempt to removed the President.

As such, it is an abuse of power, BY CONGRESS

I agree. It is a distraction because they know they were caught up in the investigation. It also plays to world leaders in their eyes, trying to make him appear illegitimate.

 

[lennypartiv]

No prez has ever claimed blanket privilege............ever. Each claim of privilege must be justified on its individual merits. The assertion documents and testimony can be withheld indiscriminately is without legal standing.
Why Trump's claim of executive privilege is different - CNNPolitics

Another liberal who has no idea what legal terms like Executive Privilege mean.

 

[Seawytch]

You obviously were not watching any hearings. You're only watching what Hannity shows you.

I watched a lot of it, but it was very boring. Obviously you only watched CNN who cut to commercial every time one of the republicans asked real questions or refuted the dem lies.

and for the record, I don't watch Hannity. but you must since you know what he says.

Stop lying. You didn't watch the hearings. Some right wing site gave you a headline and you watched a five minute video of Ms. Lindsay gradstanding.

Nothing Trump said about the "oranges" of the Russia Investigation was true. Not a hoax, not a witch hunt. You said to wait for this report. Okay, its out and none of your made up storylines were true.

I watched as much of it as I could stomach. the pathetic dems have nothing, no crimes, just "we don't like the way he talks".

the senate will kill this hoax. and the dems will lose the house because of it. the american people are fed up with morons like Schiff, Nadler, and mama Pelosi.

No, the Senate will abdicate their duty to the Constitution and their country in favor of a vulgar, authoritarian with a pattern of corrupt behavior and obstruction.

the house committee vote was strictly on partisan lines, the vote in the entire house will have democrats voting no with all of the republicans. I suspect that the vote in the senate to deny the bill will also be bi-partisan because there is no evidence of the commission of any crimes by the president.

However, there is evidence of crimes by Schiff, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Steele, the clinton campaign, and the DNC. If you think this is over, you are very wrong. the dems are destroying themselves in their blood lust to remove Trump.

Nothing in what you posted even vaguely resembles reality. Find new sources of information. The ones you have are lying to you. Trump lies to you.

 

[Seawytch]

Well if you look at it...unemployment was going up until the Democrats got shellacked in the first midterm...losing both the House and the Senate! Then and only then did the economy start to improve because Barry couldn't push his liberal agenda.

I notice that you avoided answering my question again, Seawytch! You really don't know much about what Barack Obama's economic policies WERE...do you? If he was such a great President with the economy then it should be easy for you to point out what HE did to lower unemployment and create jobs yet you struggle to do so. Why is that?

Just stop. Trump hasn't done dick...except continue the good economy he was handed. Good on him for not screwing it up yet. (Not for lack of trying...ahem, trade war).

What Kind Of 'Jobs President' Has Obama Been — In 8 Charts

All of this is to say that Trump inherits a job market that is humming along comfortably, given how poor of shape it was in only recently. But it's also an economy that has sharply moved away from manufacturing and other goods-producing industries — the very ones he pushed the most in the election. That change has hurt plenty of Americans, despite the job market's improvement.

Trump has tried to claim credit for several hundred goods-producing jobs here and there (credit that he doesn't always deserve, as the Washington Post's Philip Bump has reported), but bringing manufacturing employment back in a sizable way seems like a tall order for any president. Furthermore, alternative work — like driving an Uber or Lyft — continues to grow quickly as a share of the economy. That change could eventually require policy attention, as more workers take jobs that don't come with benefits.

But there's another big caveat here. Presidents get lots of credit and blame for the economy's performance, despite the fact that they don't really have firm control over that performance. (If they did, why would recessions ever happen?)

Yes, a president can push an economic agenda and in some cases push particular policies that end up having a sizable impact on the economy (see: the 2009 stimulus package, which undeniably had a positive impact).​

You can't come up with anything that Obama did policy wise to create jobs...can you, Seawytch? Was that the best you could find? That's a testament to how pathetic Barry's performance WAS on job creation!

The stimulus had an undeniable positive impact. We stopped hemorrhaging jobs.

Two Charts Show Trump's Job Gains Are Just A Continuation From Obama's Presidency

Unemployment rate has been dropping for 9 years

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump . The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.

Bush’s last four years in office:

• December 2005: 4.9%
• December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
• December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
• December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office

• December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
• December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
• December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
• December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
• December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
• December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

• December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
• September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

Its really simple, Trump has continued the good economy he was handed by Barack Obama but you treat him like he turned water into wine. That is the epitome of a sycophant.

You keep posting the same thing and pretending that you've answered my question. You haven't.

Were jobs created while Barack Obama was President? They were. Without question. Things like the energy boom created tens of thousands of new jobs. Unfortunately for your argument that wasn't something that was accomplished by Barack Obama...it was something that happened despite his policies! Barack Obama actively resisted fracking advances. Production of oil and natural gas on lands controlled by the Federal Government decreased while he was President. Production of oil and natural gas on lands that he didn't control was up dramatically.

So again...WHAT OBAMA ECONOMIC POLICIES CREATED JOBS? My point all along is that the good economy that you keep crediting to Barry happened not because of Obama policies but despite them. He was pushing for Cap & Trade legislation as his next big policy initiative before the Democrats were crushed in the first mid term elections...something that would have been a jobs KILLER at a time when millions of Americans had been out of work for years! The new GOP Congress stopped Cap & Trade. The GOP Congress saved the US economy from another Obama economic blunder!

dont expect a reply from witchey, she is hiding under her bed with her Barry doll.

Which is bigger, little fish, one or five?