Another Islamist in the West Kills His Own Child - You BASTARD!

[Kalam]

Though it clearly wasn't her intention, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is more of a critic of Somali society than she is of the Islamic religion. Her book is more of a misdirected attempt at a polemic than an autobiography. She doesn't know enough about Islam to denounce the entire religion so confidently. Here's a good review of the book, IMO:

Only One Side Of The Story | Newsweek.com

Case in point - even in the few quoted sentences of hers in that article, Hirsi Ali attributes a saying to the Qur'an that actually came from a hadith (#2771) in Ibn Majah's Sunan.

 

[Kalam]

In this particular case, it had EVERYTHING to do with religion. He called it an HONOR KILLING.

He did? Where?

He did it BECAUSE of his religion, not in spite of it.

If that's so, then why have you failed to respond to my question?

The difference is that the man who killed his daughter was following his religion

Did you have a particular passage of scripture in mind? I'm very interested in seeing the requirement that I kill whoever fails to uphold the values of my culture.

 

[Againsheila]

In this particular case, it had EVERYTHING to do with religion. He called it an HONOR KILLING.

He did? Where?

He did it BECAUSE of his religion, not in spite of it.

If that's so, then why have you failed to respond to my question?

The difference is that the man who killed his daughter was following his religion

Did you have a particular passage of scripture in mind? I'm very interested in seeing the requirement that I kill whoever fails to uphold the values of my culture.

Different people interpret it differently....you are the one that prayed for the death and condemned to hell the person who started this thread.....where did you come up with that idea if not from your religion?

Or is your religion so insignificant that praying for someone's death is no big deal????

 

[Kalam]

In this particular case, it had EVERYTHING to do with religion. He called it an HONOR KILLING.

He did? Where?


If that's so, then why have you failed to respond to my question?

Did you have a particular passage of scripture in mind? I'm very interested in seeing the requirement that I kill whoever fails to uphold the values of my culture.

Different people interpret it differently....you are the one that prayed for the death and condemned to hell the person who started this thread.....where did you come up with that idea if not from your religion?

Or is your religion so insignificant that praying for someone's death is no big deal????

Actually, I condemned the perpetrator of the crime and called for him to be condemned to hell. Let's hear it for reading comprehension.

Also, where did the perpetrator call his crime an "honor killing"?

 

[Coyote]

A man kills his own child...what does it have to do with religion? Nothing.
Culture? Maybe.
Mental illness? Probably.

And instead of discussing ways of supporting battered women and children services, some on this thread try to use the death of this child as a talking point for their war against peace.

Shame on you.

In this particular case, it had EVERYTHING to do with religion. He called it an HONOR KILLING. He did it BECAUSE of his religion, not in spite of it.

In this particular case, you don't bother to read the article...all 8 sentances of it.

He did not call it an HONOR KILLING. According to the article: Faleh Hassan Almaleki was angry with his daughter "as she had become too 'Westernized' and was not living according to [the family's] traditional Iraq values,"

Nor does it say anything about his religion.

But feel free to make stuff up if it satisfies your religious hatred

 

[Coyote]

He did? Where?


If that's so, then why have you failed to respond to my question?

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Different people interpret it differently....you are the one that prayed for the death and condemned to hell the person who started this thread.....where did you come up with that idea if not from your religion?

Or is your religion so insignificant that praying for someone's death is no big deal????

Actually, I condemned the perpetrator of the crime and called for him to be condemned to hell. Let's hear it for reading comprehension.

Also, where did the perpetrator call his crime an "honor killing"?

I think that's part of her reading comprehension problem....

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

You would benefit from read the management of savagery .

Were you talking to me?
I was about to say, "I will; I like to read," but then I looked it up online. It's not a real book. It's not published. And therefore not worthy of my attention.
Best "case against Islam" type book I've read so far has been Hirshi Ali's Infidel. Really thought-provoking. Although, I must say, it's more of an argument against religion in general. And I just happened to love her writing style.

No, I was not posting to you, you have no interest in this.

Management of Savagery, subtitled The Most Critical Stage Through Which the Ummah Will Pass was uploaded to the Internet in 2004 by the al-Qaeda terrorist organization. Its author Abu Bakr Naji is unidentified, and is known only for this piece plus some contributions to the al-Qaeda online magazine Sawt al-Jihad. Some believe Naji's book has influenced al-Qaeda.
Management of Savagery has been translated into English and is available online.[1] An overview is also available.[2]

 

[Charles Stucker]

Management of Savagery

Must lose a lot in translation. Sounds like typical fanatic rubbish with a slight understanding of the principles of guerrilla warfare thrown in. Emphasis on the slight.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

What it loses in translation pales in comparison to what it loses unread.
If you are confident that you understand vexation and exhaustion tactics of Islamic fighters,please do not read.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Do you, Herr Fitnah read history?
Question "How did Islam conquer the Turks?"
Answer "By losing the battles and then peacefully assimilating their conquerors."
In the modern world you might be able to exhaust America with attrition tactics, but China is poised to "fill the vacuum" and no wailing and gnashing of teeth by Islamic radical idiot will make it possible for you to succeed against them at attrition. They do understand Mongol tactics and will employ them. They can carve up the little Islamic states and no Net-prophet is going to change the fractious nature of Islam to create a superstate.
The Ottoman empire wasn't as monolithic as you might suppose.
"al Maghreb" aka the western portion of North Africa was not under control of the Ottomans at any point. Neither was all the converted population east of India.
With all that, at the height of their power, the Ottoman Empire failed to take Vienna. They got driven back for their efforts.
You ought to learn how to read more than just moronic "revolutionary pamphlets" written on the net.

 

[mystic]

Though it clearly wasn't her intention, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is more of a critic of Somali society than she is of the Islamic religion.

I totally agree. It really is cultural practices that most of her issues stem from. She admits that she initially lied on her application and there's really nothing in the book that would make me think she's lying or exaggerating. I've read quite a few autobiographies of women from sahara/sub sahara areas, and their experiences have certain parallels.

Different people interpret it differently....you are the one that prayed for the death and condemned to hell the person who started this thread.....where did you come up with that idea if not from your religion?

You gotta feel sorry for her, don't ya?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Do you, Herr Fitnah read history?
Question "How did Islam conquer the Turks?"
Answer "By losing the battles and then peacefully assimilating their conquerors."
In the modern world you might be able to exhaust America with attrition tactics, but China is poised to "fill the vacuum" and no wailing and gnashing of teeth by Islamic radical idiot will make it possible for you to succeed against them at attrition. They do understand Mongol tactics and will employ them. They can carve up the little Islamic states and no Net-prophet is going to change the fractious nature of Islam to create a superstate.
The Ottoman empire wasn't as monolithic as you might suppose.
"al Maghreb" aka the western portion of North Africa was not under control of the Ottomans at any point. Neither was all the converted population east of India.
With all that, at the height of their power, the Ottoman Empire failed to take Vienna. They got driven back for their efforts.
You ought to learn how to read more than just moronic "revolutionary pamphlets" written on the net.

Thanks,we are done here.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

If anyone who is not a "self indulgent know it all"would like to read the document in question it can be found here . American Thinker: Know Your Terrorist Enemy

West Point's Combatting Terrorism Center have done.

'The key to defeating the jihadi movement is identifying its strengths and weaknesses so that the former may be countered or co—opted and the latter exploited.'​

'Stealing Al—Qa'ida's Playbook' examines the writings of four prominent terrorist ideologues: Abu Bakr Naji (The Management of Barbarism), Ayman al—Zawahiri (Knights Under The Banner of The Prophet), Abu Qatada (Between Two Methods) and Abu Mus'ab al—Suri (Observations Concerning the Jihadi Experience in Syria). If you want to understand the enemy, these guys are a good place to start.
Naji does not believe the terrorist movement can defeat the United States in head—to—head confrontation. He takes the long, asymmetrical view: initially, there will be important propaganda victories, followed by increasing societal and economic strains which will eventually result in political defeat. Naji, noting this strategy was highly successful against the Soviet Union, believes it has an even better chance with the U.S. because 'it does not have the ruthless or resolve' of the USSR.
The propaganda victories Naji foresees will stem from Middle Eastern countries (Iraq not specified) that have been invaded and occupied by the U.S. Citizens will be outraged at the (infidel) occupiers, and as the war drags on, they will see that in fact this superpower is not invincible.
Their anger will also be directed at the 'proxy government.' As the authors put it 'this will lead to social unrest at home and the ultimate defeat of the superpower.' (If I didn't know any better, I'd say Naji is using our Vietnam experience as his template.)

 

[mdn2000]

Kalem, what do you know, you know enough to completely ignore what this topic is about and for good reason, again you speak of "disbeleivers" when this topic is about APOSTASY.

I cite the Qur'an, and you claim that it isn't the most important text in Islam. I cite ahadith, and you claim that I haven't. I cite the works that define Islam, and you claim that one can only understand Islam through worthless travel books that were written some 1200 years after the foundation of the religion. How oh how did we Muslims exist for 1200 years without brilliant "scholars of Islam" such as yourself and Doughty to explain our own religion to us? You're dismissed, fool.

You cite the Koran and than lie about my claims, I never made the claim it was not the most important text, so why must a Moslem lie, simple, the truth is not on this moslems side, further according to the koran, its okay for a moslem to lie to the infidels.


I thought I would let you have the last word on this but you prove to be to big of an idioit.

Coloring books, gee, you dismiss all western works as coloring books. This shows Kalem as being completely biased.

How can one debate or discuss with a person who's position is all western books are coloring books, you cannot, its this kind of bigotry that was exhibited by the man that ran over his daughter.

As far as everything Kalem posts in response to my posts, it is very clear that Kalem knows nothing of muslem culture.

Kalem has resorted to attacking the messenger, nice tactic of the liberal/marxist, attack and demean the messenger while misquoting and telling complete lies.

Kalem is actually the sound I make when I clear my throat and hack up a green piece of phlem.

So there is nothing to address in Kalem's response to my post, what one should note is kalem is biased, has only studied the koran, has cherry picked the koran in order to avoid the relevant text in other moslem words such as the Hadith.

Had Kalem not dismissed all western works as biased coloring books kalem would of been educated on the moslem culture and recognized this murder as being an Islamic moslem murder based on the religion of Islam, based on the culture of Islam, based on the traditions of moslem people. Being so narrow minded and concentrated only on a passage in the Koran blinded kalem to the truth.

Or of course, the more sinister explanation is Kalem knows the truth and and wishes to hide the truth.

This is the problem with some Moslems, Kalem will defend Islam and be completely ignorant to the harm kalem does to Islam. My perception is there are religous zealots, religous extremists in the Islamic religion, Kalem is Moslem extremist.

Kalem is the problem with Islam

Kalem you did not mention the Hadith until I brought up how kalem is ignoring the hadith, Kalem allowed posts to stand citing the quran when kalem supposedly knew the hadith contained the relevant facts.

Kalem you put word in my mouth and twisted my word into things I never said nor implied.

Kalem shows how according to the quran and mohammed its okay to lie and deceive.

That is our next bit topic, in Islam it is okay, it is condoned, its perfectly okay to lie and cheat an Infidel. The Hadiths and Quran speak of this, of course Kalem is not familiar with the culture of Islam so he dont know this.

In closing, I will quote another book or as KALEM likes to call them, biased-western-coloring books.

The termination of the Iraq Mandate in 1932, which was so significant a landmark in the political development of that country, unfortunately marked the beginning of the a decline in the flow of documentary material and books on the development of this new State.

From the Oxford University Press

You see, western sources are the best non-biased source for facts on Moslems. You can dismiss one or two books as "coloring books" as Kalem has, but you cannot dismiss all the books. What Kalem does not know or chooses to ignore is that very few moslems per captia compared to the wertern world were educated, that is why the west is the best source. Only the very elite in the Moslem world became educated. That may of changed I do not know. What is true is the best Moslem scholars, if there are any, all became educated in western schools.

Thats right, Moslems had no chance of a university level educatation in the moslem world, that is why the western world is the best source.

The Oxford University Press cannot be argued with, they state there was a decline in printed works after the moslems took over, that is the fact. The reason being so few moslems had the education to write.

 

[Kalam]

 

[mdn2000]

The site you cite does not disprove my assertion, it is very extreme to call all western books biased and nothing more than coloring books.

It is very extreme to obfuscate the facts of a honor killing or one guilty of apostasy.

It is very extreme to misquote a westerner.

It is an extremist who must lie, it is an extremist who must put words in the opponents mouth, it is the extremist who obfuscates the facts.

To completley ignore the history and works of great western scholars is part oif being an extremist.


Kalem is a Moslem Extremist.

 

[Kalam]

 

[mdn2000]

Respect for humanity in general

Kalem:

Coloring books don't count

A contradiction, where is the respect? I went to your site, it talks of respect so how is labeling western works coloring books in accordance to who kalem portrays him or herself. This is extreme to claim to be respectful on the one hand, and be disrespectful on the other.

Kalem:

Check again. Moscow lies west of the Ural Mountains. That's "the West."

Check again, ever here of the "Eastern Block", Kalem, you simply prove that you do not respect others facts.

Kalem does not know the difference between the "eastern bloc" and the "western world".

It is very extreme to support ones position while the facts are clear.

So Kalem, your refusal to even admit an error is extreme.

kalem simply proves kalem is a moslem extremist bigot.

Kalem, I had to laugh at your cut and paste from wikipedia, I thought you were a moslem scholar, scholars do not cite wikipedia.

Kalem shows Kalem knows very little, from not knowing that Russia was the Eastern Bloc and not of the Western world to using wikipedia. I am sorry I called you a moslem extremist, Kalem is simply not educated or simply ignorant.

Kalem is not a moslem extremist, that would be a badge of honor, kalem may merely be a simple fool. We will see if Kalem is able to swallow kalem's ego and correct kalem's errors.

 

[Kalam]

You're no Bernard Lewis, fuck-knuckle.

I've already spent enough time addressing your fallacy-filled posts. If anybody's still stupid enough to believe that you're a credible source of information on Islam, another post of mine isn't going to help them. Goodbye.

 

[Sunni Man]

You are one silly person mdn2000

The Middle East is full of universities and schools of higher education.

In fact, muslims basically invented the university educational system.

Which Europe centurys later copied and spread to America.


"The University of Al Karaouine in Fez, Morocco is thus recognized by the Guinness Book of World Records as the oldest degree-granting university in the world with its founding in 859 by Fatima al-Fihri. Also in the 9th century, Bimaristan medical schools were founded in the medieval Islamic world, where medical degrees and diplomas were issued to students of Islamic medicine who were qualified to be a practicing Doctor of Medicine. Al-Azhar University, founded in Cairo, Egypt in 975, was a Jami'ah university which offered a variety of post-graduate degrees and had individual faculties for a theological seminary, Islamic law and jurisprudence, Arabic grammar, Islamic astronomy, early Islamic philosophy, and logic in Islamic philosophy".

University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia