Another GOP Flip-Flop on Health Care

[Polk]

After months and months of complaining about the length of the bill:
Republicans Attack Size of House Health Care Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Poe speaks to chamber on health care reform - Monday, August 24, 2009 - Copyright 2007 Ourtribune.com

Republicans are now bitching that the health care bill is not long enough:

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"And we talk about 2,074 pages, which seem like a lot, and it would be for a normal bill that you could debate in a limited period of time, which is what we’re being asked to do. But 2,074 pages isn’t nearly enough to cover health care for America. So why is it only 2,074 pages?"

 

[Oddball]

That's the goofy GOP for ya.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why do Democrats care about what Republicans have to say, don't they still have a majority?

What does Sen Franken have to say about this?

 

[Polk]

Why do Democrats care about what Republicans have to say, don't they still have a majority?

What does Sen Franken have to say about this?

They have the functional majority in the Senate.

 

[uscitizen]

Republican lobbyists must want to insert something else in it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

After months and months of complaining about the length of the bill:
Republicans Attack Size of House Health Care Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Poe speaks to chamber on health care reform - Monday, August 24, 2009 - Copyright 2007 Ourtribune.com

Republicans are now bitching that the health care bill is not long enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj58vKN1m3g

"And we talk about 2,074 pages, which seem like a lot, and it would be for a normal bill that you could debate in a limited period of time, which is what we’re being asked to do. But 2,074 pages isn’t nearly enough to cover health care for America. So why is it only 2,074 pages?"

Number of pages is another smoke screen.

This is about big government control.

It has been documented that the United States has the best healthcare in the world, as judged by life expectancy.

Here are the solutions to any complaints:

Short and Sweet: Keep the government out of healthcare, except for legislation that accomplished the following:
1. Allow the 1300 companies to sell in every state.
2. Tort reform limiting damages to actual costs.
3. No state mandates: buy what coverage you wish.
4. Use the tax system to incentivize more into the medical field.
5. Encourage more to buy their own health insurance with tax deductibility.
6. Government step aside.

 

[Polk]

After months and months of complaining about the length of the bill:
Republicans Attack Size of House Health Care Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
Poe speaks to chamber on health care reform - Monday, August 24, 2009 - Copyright 2007 Ourtribune.com

Republicans are now bitching that the health care bill is not long enough:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj58vKN1m3g

"And we talk about 2,074 pages, which seem like a lot, and it would be for a normal bill that you could debate in a limited period of time, which is what we’re being asked to do. But 2,074 pages isn’t nearly enough to cover health care for America. So why is it only 2,074 pages?"

Number of pages is another smoke screen.

This is about big government control.

It has been documented that the United States has the best healthcare in the world, as judged by life expectancy.

You know, you'd be taken a lot more seriously if you didn't make claims that were just so obviously false. You claim that Americans have the longest life expectancy in the world, and yet, not only are we not first, we're not in the top 10, top 20, or top 40. We're 50th, sitting right below Portugal and right above Albania.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

Here are the solutions to any complaints:

Short and Sweet: Keep the government out of healthcare, except for legislation that accomplished the following:
1. Allow the 1300 companies to sell in every state.
2. Tort reform limiting damages to actual costs.
3. No state mandates: buy what coverage you wish.
4. Use the tax system to incentivize more into the medical field.
5. Encourage more to buy their own health insurance with tax deductibility.
6. Government step aside.

Health care is going to become better if we reduce the quality of health insurance to that which would be seen in a third world country (which is exactly what the GOP proposal for sale across state lines does) and if we place caps on damages that can be collected in event of malpractice, even though previous caps have not been effective at reducing cost and that eliminating malpractice all together would only represent two percent of total health care costs.

 

[uscitizen]

If we could keep doctors from moving into politics we would be better off with healthcare.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

I mean it seems the battle is on the Left between the Neo-Marxists, the Eugenicists and the Old School Socialists

 

[uscitizen]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

I mean it seems the battle is on the Left between the Neo-Marxists, the Eugenicists and the Old School Socialists

I guess you must be right, the cons do not count at all.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

I mean it seems the battle is on the Left between the Neo-Marxists, the Eugenicists and the Old School Socialists

I guess you must be right, the cons do not count at all.

Expect for when Palins Facebook posting obliterate ObamaCare

 

[Oddball]

If we could keep doctors from moving into politics we would be better off with healthcare.

Things would be even better if politicians would stay out of the medicine business.

 

[Polk]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

Yes and no. They have more seats, but due to the abuse of the filibuster, it takes sixty votes to move anything in the Senate and the Democrats only have 59 seats (58 Democrats + Sanders).

 

[The Rabbi]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

Yes and no. They have more seats, but due to the abuse of the filibuster, it takes sixty votes to move anything in the Senate and the Democrats only have 59 seats (58 Democrats + Sanders).

Abuse of political process for political gain? Say it aint so!
The Dems demonstrated their complete disregard for legislative fairness under Bush when they blocked judicial nominees right and left.
Bottom line: It is Democrats stopping this bill from passing, not Republicans. It is convenient to blame Republicans as a cover. But it is a lie, like everything else coming from the Dums.

 

[Meister]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

Yes and no. They have more seats, but due to the abuse of the filibuster, it takes sixty votes to move anything in the Senate and the Democrats only have 59 seats (58 Democrats + Sanders).

yes and no, they only need a simple majority via the nuclear option.
Democrats only have 58 seats in the senate.

 

[Polk]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

Yes and no. They have more seats, but due to the abuse of the filibuster, it takes sixty votes to move anything in the Senate and the Democrats only have 59 seats (58 Democrats + Sanders).

Abuse of political process for political gain? Say it aint so!
The Dems demonstrated their complete disregard for legislative fairness under Bush when they blocked judicial nominees right and left.
Bottom line: It is Democrats stopping this bill from passing, not Republicans. It is convenient to blame Republicans as a cover. But it is a lie, like everything else coming from the Dums.

The Democrats just followed the lead of Republicans on judicial nominees, who similarly stonewalled Clinton appointees.

 

[Polk]

But the Democrats still have a majority, right?

Yes and no. They have more seats, but due to the abuse of the filibuster, it takes sixty votes to move anything in the Senate and the Democrats only have 59 seats (58 Democrats + Sanders).

yes and no, they only need a simple majority via the nuclear option.

That's not accurate. While they could remove the filibuster from Senate rules at the start of the next session, it takes 67 votes to amend Senate rules during the session.

Democrats only have 58 seats in the senate.

Sanders is going to vote with the Democrats on anything of substance, so it's irrelevant if he's technically a member or not.

 

[Meister]

Yes and no. They have more seats, but due to the abuse of the filibuster, it takes sixty votes to move anything in the Senate and the Democrats only have 59 seats (58 Democrats + Sanders).

yes and no, they only need a simple majority via the nuclear option.

That's not accurate. While they could remove the filibuster from Senate rules at the start of the next session, it takes 67 votes to amend Senate rules during the session.

Democrats only have 58 seats in the senate.

Sanders is going to vote with the Democrats on anything of substance, so it's irrelevant if he's technically a member or not.

Please give me your source to this, Polk. Reid is talking about the nuclear option....he wouldn't stated it if he doesn't have the votes.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Dec 10, 2009 Dems still have a majority and are still blaming Boooooshhhh Fox News, Sarah Palin and Republicans.

Yeah, they're doing great in the majority, this is gonna last a real long time

 

[Polk]

Please give me your source to this, Polk. Reid is talking about the nuclear option....he wouldn't stated it if he doesn't have the votes.

It's in the Senate standing rules. Rule 22, to be specific.

""Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?" And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting -- then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of. "

United States Senate Committee on Rules and Administration : Rules of the Senate