Where's the reform?

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    Where is the reform in Health Care Reform?

    Has the point, reducing costs of health insurance, been lost?
     
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    I do see the point your making, Missourian. Unfortunately, the sheep will only follow the anointed one.
    It's not about healthcare, or its costs, but IT IS about the expansion of government.
     
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    US health care tab to keep growing under overhaul - Yahoo! News

    WASHINGTON – A new government report is sending a sober economic warning to Democrats trying to push President Barack Obama's health care overhaul plan through the Senate.

    The analysis from nonpartisan economic experts at the Health and Human Services Department concludes that the nation's health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating. It also calls into question the Democrats' plan to squeeze $493 billion in savings from Medicare over 10 years, saying it "may be unrealistic."
    In more bad news, the report released Friday warns that a new long-term care insurance plan included in the legislation could "face a significant risk of failure."

    Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead!!!
     
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    Librul dictionary

    Reform. verb. 1. To have the government take over, 2. A ruse to have people surrender their freedoms
     
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    As I predicted long ago. What we get out of "Health Care Reform" will suit no one except the insurance and health care companies.

    It was inevitable due to extensive renting of our government by lobbyists.
     
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    Reform was never the point, better care was never the point, insuring the uninsured was never the point. They were all just distractions. Government take over and handing Barry a 'win' was, is and always will be the point.
     
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    This is exactly what I'm talking about.
    "the nation's health care tab will grow more rapidly under the Democratic plan senators are debating."
    First the no-stimulus stimulus and now the no reform Healthcare Reform.
     
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    I've been saying this for a while now, these healthcare measures have nothing to do with reform at all, you only need to look at 2 things, One is that the bill will actually cause health insurance premiums to rise 10 to 13 % over the next 10 years according the CBO and place upon the states billions in unfunded mandates for medicaid and funnel more than 21 million Americans into state medicaid. I don't know if anyone has noticed lately but most states outside of Texas are on the verge of bankruptcy and what do you suppose additional unfunded mandates are going to do? So more than a few posters are right, first this bill is about getting the BIG W for 2010 mid-terms and second it is about expanding federal power. The sad thing about this is many people are under the mistaken impression that this so called reform has something to do with keeping those mean old insurance companies honest, when the real funny thing is that those are the companies that stand to be the only ones that will make a LOT of money on this deal. So I fail to understand how anyone can be in favor of this bill if they are for true healthcare reform.
     
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    Not too many people do support these bills. In fact all of the recent polls show Americans are solidly opposed to them.

    RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Obama and Democrats' Health Care Plan

    You've got to wonder what the Dem leadership can be thinking. Do they really believe they can pass a bill the majority of Americans are so opposed to and not be punished next November?
     
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    I personally don't think that the opinions of the American people matter much at all to those that are determined to pass this legislation. In fact as I have said before even those that had advocated that healthcare reform help do something about the high cost of healthcare , which includes premiums are going to be very disappointed in this legislation as well. So that leaves more or less an effort to get one in the win column before the mid-terms in hopes that it will help on the campaign trail. Seems an awful big sacrifice to make just to say you passed a bill.
     

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