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I guess I don't quite understand what the problem with that is. Islamic ethical teachings emphasize the importance of retaliation to aggression and injustice.
So it seems changing strategy won't stop the attacks, which is my point.
If your policy is changed in such a way that you no longer meddle in the affairs of the Muslim world, it is highly unlikely that you'll be attacked. Even al-Qa'idah has made that clear. You aren't going to be attacked perpetually for things you may have done in the past.
Granted they are religious fanatics but it goes much deeper than that.
The basis for most all the problems we have with the Muslim world boils down two things, support for Israel and Oil. We are not hated because of who we are, but rather for what we do. Our ventures into the Middle East have been costly both in dollars and human lives. Had our intrusion into the Arab world been limited to the Israeli issue, our relations would have improved with time. Our actions to keep oil flowing to the west and out of the hands of Russia clearly made us the enemy to many Muslims.
First we instigated a government overflow in 1953 in Iran putting the Shaw in power. For 25 years we supported a dictatorship in Iran giving them 1.2 billion dollars to keep the oil flowing to the west until the people of Iran revolted and put the Ayatollah in power.
We then helped Saddam Hussein in the war against Iran. Then we turned on Saddam and attacked when he threatens the flow oil by invading Kuwait. Tens years later we attacked Iraq again because they had WMDs which turned out to be bogus. During the war we killed over 100,000 civilians and embarrass ourselves with the Abagrave prison scandal and the lack of evidence of WMDs.
In Afghanistan, we supported the Afghans against Russia to prevent Russian from controlling a proposed oil pipeline across Afghanistan. Then we walked out of Afghanistan leaving it to the Taliban. Today we are fighting against those that we previously supported.
In Guantanamo, we hold hundreds of accused terrorist without trial, which is contrary to our claims we make about American justice.
During this entire foreign policy debacle, we bought off the Saudi royal family with arms deals and defense agreements, which has alienates them and us in the Middle East.
If you want to know why Islamic terrorist attack us, you need only to look at 60 years of American foreign policy in the Middle East which has been a disaster. The solution is painful but very simple. GET THE HELL OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST BY BECOMING ENERGY INDEPENDENT.
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Not really, but I think you're going to tell me.I'm detecting a pattern here, justified hatred. "We wouldn't have attacked if you guys hadn't kicked our asses in [insert situation]."
Do you know anything about what has happened in the Caucasus over the past 20 years? Serious question.
I'm detecting a pattern here, justified hatred. "We wouldn't have attacked if you guys hadn't kicked our asses in [insert situation]."
Do you know anything about what has happened in the Caucasus over the past 20 years? Serious question.
Doesn't really matter, does it? The US was wrong because we didn't interfere, and we were also wrong because we did. Your logic leaves us fucked, so we should just lay down and die.
Because its not in the Koran?Not really, but I think you're going to tell me.Do you know anything about what has happened in the Caucasus over the past 20 years? Serious question.
I wasn't planning on it.
So it seems changing strategy won't stop the attacks, which is my point.
If your policy is changed in such a way that you no longer meddle in the affairs of the Muslim world, it is highly unlikely that you'll be attacked. Even al-Qa'idah has made that clear. You aren't going to be attacked perpetually for things you may have done in the past.
Fuck you.
You know that is a lie, so why are you even saying it? Bin Laden went all the way back to WWII and our so called aggression then to justify his attacks, and he would have come up with others if we had a perfect policy in the Mid-East.
Because Muslims hate non-Muslims
Do you know anything about what has happened in the Caucasus over the past 20 years? Serious question.
Doesn't really matter, does it? The US was wrong because we didn't interfere, and we were also wrong because we did. Your logic leaves us fucked, so we should just lay down and die.
What? Where have I ever called for the US to interfere in any conflict involving Muslims?
If your policy is changed in such a way that you no longer meddle in the affairs of the Muslim world, it is highly unlikely that you'll be attacked. Even al-Qa'idah has made that clear. You aren't going to be attacked perpetually for things you may have done in the past.
Fuck you.
You know that is a lie, so why are you even saying it? Bin Laden went all the way back to WWII and our so called aggression then to justify his attacks, and he would have come up with others if we had a perfect policy in the Mid-East.
The fact that your history of meddling goes back that far does not mean that al-Qa'idah relied entirely on events in the distant past to justify their attacks.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLlo1VQxgDk"]YouTube - Bin Laden : israel is the reason of 9/11 Attacks[/ame]
Why?
Well, they don't like our foreign policy, and they do have a nasty hate against the West, not just America..
It's pretty simple.
One thing though.. Even if we didn't have our troops around the Middle East do you really think for a second they still wouldn't have attacked us?
Yes. If America did not have a military presence in the Middle East and did not have a history of interference or supporting corrupt regimes and Israel, I can absolutely assure you that the attacks would not have occurred. It would probably have been Israel or Russia.
It's a debatable subject. nonetheless, I still think they would have attacked. Why? Probably because of our Relation with Israel.
I find it funny that the same ones who always want war & profit from it, are the same people who don't want us to fund research that will break our dependence from middle eastern oil.
I wonder if this is a coincidence
I find it funny that the same ones who always want war & profit from it, are the same people who don't want us to fund research that will break our dependence from middle eastern oil.
I wonder if this is a coincidence
True for a Tiny Minority of people in the Oil Industry sure, not for the VAST majority of people who identify as Republican and or Conservative.
I find it funny that the same ones who always want war & profit from it, are the same people who don't want us to fund research that will break our dependence from middle eastern oil.
I wonder if this is a coincidence
Yes. If America did not have a military presence in the Middle East and did not have a history of interference or supporting corrupt regimes and Israel, I can absolutely assure you that the attacks would not have occurred. It would probably have been Israel or Russia.
It's a debatable subject. nonetheless, I still think they would have attacked. Why? Probably because of our Relation with Israel.
well we wouldnt really be 'out of the middle east' if we were still supporting israel. we would also need to stop propping up the ruling family of saudi arabi as well
Why?
Well, they don't like our foreign policy, and they do have a nasty hate against the West, not just America..
It's pretty simple.
One thing though.. Even if we didn't have our troops around the Middle East do you really think for a second they still wouldn't have attacked us?
Yes. If America did not have a military presence in the Middle East and did not have a history of interference or supporting corrupt regimes and Israel, I can absolutely assure you that the attacks would not have occurred. It would probably have been Israel or Russia.
They want political power. Pretty simple.
I agree, but why Russia.Yes. If America did not have a military presence in the Middle East and did not have a history of interference or supporting corrupt regimes and Israel, I can absolutely assure you that the attacks would not have occurred. It would probably have been Israel or Russia.
Al-Qa'idah absolutely hates Russia for what they've done in Chechnya. I share that sentiment insofar as I detest the Russian military and government. The people I don't blame.
