Anchor-Babies v. 14th Amendment

[kyzr]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

 

[The T]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

The 14th will have to amended to reflect it.

 

[kyzr]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

The 14th will have to amended to reflect it.

It all depends on how the 14th is interpreted. You're right that to date, the USSC supports that babies born to illegals are citizens. IMHO that needs to be challenged one more time before the USSC.

 

[The T]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

The 14th will have to amended to reflect it.

It all depends on how the 14th is interpreted. You're right that to date, the USSC supports that babies born to illegals are citizens. IMHO that needs to be challenged one more time before the USSC.

However the USSC can be overridden BY the Amendment process. The Courts are never the final say. The Founders built three equal but separate branches...one looking over the shoulder of the other.

The ultimate voice belongs to the people, and if they demand such an amendment? I can happen...but the big hurdle are politicians that are in this game for their own edification...and that hurdles has to be overcome by getting Statesmen...instead of perpetual government employees as the Congress presently exists. And that relies on the people getting angry enough to make it happen.

 

[loosecannon]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

I firmly agree with every point you made. Now that we need those jobs it suddenly becomes urgent to reclaim them.

I would think that if any issue was compelling enough to succeed as a constitutional amendment today, this would be the one.

That and "touch my junk and I will have you arrested". Both extremely popular pov.

 

[jillian]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

they can't vote if they're illegal.



and the 14th amendment isn't being 'misinterpreted'. it says what it says.

 

[JBeukema]

American Citizenship and Immigration Clarification Act




A resolution clarifying the intent and purpose of the 14 Amendment to the Constitution of these united States.


A Resolution
Recognizing the intent and purpose of the 14 Amendment to the Constitution of these united States to protect the rights of African Americans following emancipation and clarifying the meaning thereof as pertains to the Law and the immigration and citizenship status of persons not legally within the borders of these united States.

• Be it recognized by these united States and all bodies and agencies thereof that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of these united States served the important function of protecting the legal rights and status of African American persons, including but not limited to Freed Persons following the abolition of slavery in these united States. Be it recognized that the intent of purpose of this this amendment was never to undermine the sovereignty of this republic by establishing birthright citizenship to those born to persons not legally present within this republic. Be it recognized that such an interpretation of this amendment as to establish birthright citizenship for those born to persons not legally present within this republic was not known or put into effect at the passing of the amendment, just as it remains to this day understood that those born to non-citizens legally present in this republic, including but not limited to foreign dignitaries are not bestowed citizenship upon birth within the borders of this republic.
  

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

• This Act may be cited as the `American Citizenship and Immigration Clarification Act'.

SEC. 2. Enforcement of the original purpose and intent of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of these united States

• (a) Clarification of the legal recognition of the citizenship status of children born within this republic
  1)Children born to a parent who is a citizen of these united States are recognized as citizens of these united States so long as they are declared so by their parents or legal guardians and are not declared as citizens of any other sovereign nation by the same
  
  2)Those who are not legally present in these untied States are recognized as citizens of the sovereign from whence they have come are do not, therefore, meet the requirement laid out in the Fourteenth Amendment to these united States that a person be 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the State in which they reside, or of this Republic as they remain subject to the jurisdiction of the sovereign of which they are recognized by this republic as being a citizen, being subject to the law of the State in which they reside and this republic only in those same criminal matters as any other foreign national operating within the boundaries of this Republic and not subject to diplomatic considerations. Be it recognized that those born to such persons are recognized by this republic as citizens of and subject to the jurisdiction of the same sovereign as those to whom they are born, and therefore also fail to meet those requirements outlined in the Fourteenth Amendment (outlined above) to the Constitution of these united States.

 

[JBeukema]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

they can't vote if they're illegal.



and the 14th amendment isn't being 'misinterpreted'. it says what it says.

that it does


do you know what it says?http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html

 

[Meister]

American Citizenship and Immigration Clarification Act




A resolution clarifying the intent and purpose of the 14 Amendment to the Constitution of these united States.


A Resolution
Recognizing the intent and purpose of the 14 Amendment to the Constitution of these united States to protect the rights of African Americans following emancipation and clarifying the meaning thereof as pertains to the Law and the immigration and citizenship status of persons not legally within the borders of these united States.

• Be it recognized by these united States and all bodies and agencies thereof that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of these united States served the important function of protecting the legal rights and status of African American persons, including but not limited to Freed Persons following the abolition of slavery in these united States. Be it recognized that the intent of purpose of this this amendment was never intended to undermine the sovereignty of this republic by establishing birthright citizenship to those born to persons not legally present within this republic. Be it recognized that such an interpretation of this amendment as to establish birthright citizenship for those born to persons not legally present within this republic was not known or put into effect at the passing of the amendment, just as it remains to this day understood that those born to non-citizens legally present in this republic, including but not limited to foreign dignitaries are not bestowed citizenship upon birth within the borders of this republic.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

• This Act may be cited as the `American Citizenship and Immigration Clarification Act'.

SEC. 2. Enforcement of the original purpose and intent of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of these united States

• (a) Clarification of the legal recognition of the citizenship statchildren born within this republic
  1)Children born to parent who is a citizen of these united States are recognized as citizens of these united States so long as they are declared so by their parents or legal guardians and are not declared as citizens of any other sovereign nation by the same
  
  2)Those who are not legally present in these untied States are recognized as citizens of the sovereign from whence they have come are do not, therefore, meet the requirement laid out in the Fourteenth Amendment to these united States that a person be 'subject to the jurisdiction' of the State in which they reside, or of this Republic as they remain subject to the jurisdiction of the sovereign of which they are recognized by this republic as being a citizen, being subject to the law of the State in which they reside and this republic only in those same criminal matters as any other foreign national operating within the boundaries of this Republic and not subject to diplomatic considerations. Be it recognized that those born to such persons are recognized by this republic as citizens of and subject to the jurisdiction of the same sovereign as those to whom they are born, and therefore also fail to meet those requirements outlined in the Fourteenth Amendment (outlined above) to the Constitution of these united States.

Let me highlight some of this

 

[JBeukema]

I mean... to say that children born to female members of an invading military are citizens because they are born here is absurd on its face, yet that is what the current [mis]interpretation of the 14th says

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. This problems been going on for decades.
2. If you think the government is going to finally do something about, your a freaking moron.
3. Dumb bastards up there couldn't find thier ass' with both hands.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[JBeukema]

I'm disappointed that the OP decided against making the votes public on this one

 

[loosecannon]

Sorry bout that,


1. This problems been going on for decades.
2. If you think the government is going to finally do something about, your a freaking moron.
3. Dumb bastards up there couldn't find thier ass' with both hands.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

The (not so ) dumb bastards up there see political opportunity in a spoiler demographic like the exploding Hispanic population.

They also cotton to this insidious economic pov that says that our entitlements can not pay for themselves without a continually growing workforce (never mind the fact that there are no new jobs for said workforce).

It's an implausible econ theory but it is accepted by the majority of informed educated credentialed economic thinkers and politicians.

They truly believe that they are saving us from an economic dead end by providing us with a never ending supply of cheap labor that will keep American products competitive with the rest of the world because Americans don't want those jobs anyway.

It makes sense on paper, but not in reality. But the same nerdtards who tell us deficit spending is saving us from a depression also believe that 12 million illegals are keeping our economy afloat.

Those are repubs and dems. Ivory tower politicians.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Congrats to those who see that if the 14th is going to be changed that it will require an amendment.

All the talk about simple congressional legislation describes the mental limitations of the wing nuts.

 

[WillowTree]

I can't think of a single solitary reason for the United States to uphold a law that rewards lawbreakers. It doesn't make walking around sense.

 

[jillian]

The GOP needs to focus on stopping the flood of illegals, and their illegal votes, from creating a new anti-US voter bloc. The 14th Amendment is being mis-interpreted to allow the babies of non-citizent to become US citizens.

We need Congress to work on resolving the anchor-baby problem. Two illegals can't make a legal citizen.

Lets take a poll...

they can't vote if they're illegal.



and the 14th amendment isn't being 'misinterpreted'. it says what it says.

that it does


do you know what it says?http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html

you mean this?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[goldcatt]

I mean... to say that children born to female members of an invading military are citizens because they are born here is absurd on its face, yet that is what the current [mis]interpretation of the 14th says

Actually that is incorrect, as military invaders are no more subject to the laws of the sovereign than diplomats. They're one of the exceptions to the concept of "jurisdiction". But criminals, whether their crime is behavioral or status, enjoy no such immunity from US jurisdiction. That can be changed, but it would take an amendment to do it.

 

[goldcatt]

I can't think of a single solitary reason for the United States to uphold a law that rewards lawbreakers. It doesn't make walking around sense.

It's the way the citizenship clause was written, and that's where the meaning as the courts apply it comes in.

It all centers around the meaning of "jurisdiction". If a person is within US territory, whether that's within our borders, in a territory or possession, or on leased property or a military base abroad that's under US law and control, they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States unless they have immunity from our laws, are there involuntarily or are there as a direct result of service to their own sovereign. So foreign military is excluded, POWs and others brought in by us and held in custody are excluded, diplomats are excluded, but people who are simply not citizens or legal residents are not. There was no such thing as an "illegal alien" at the time the amendment was written, but the word meant then exactly what it means now - so that's how it's applied.

Sure, we can change the citizenship requirements so a child must have one or both parents be US citizens or legal residents, but it will have to be done by amending the citizenship clause itself and not with a non-bonding statement by Congress. Congress can't just say "I know what it says but this is what it means". If the people who wrote it screwed up (which IMO isn't likely, it wasn't a problem then and wasn't really thought about before the 14th was ratified - only after the fact) the Courts can't fix the language or change the meaning of the words as they are and have always been used in law. Only an amendment can change the words.

 

[FA_Q2]

As much as I disagree with the concept and use of anchor babies and would like to see it addressed, goldcatt is correct. You CANNOT pretend to be a conservative or believe in the constitution if you are willing to violate it when there is something that you do not agree with within it. The process needs to be changed but that change MUST come in the form of another amendment, NOT judicial activism or congressional sidestepping. Do not come here and say you defend the constitution and then walk all over it.

 

[goldcatt]

As much as I disagree with the concept and use of anchor babies and would like to see it addressed, goldcatt is correct. You CANNOT pretend to be a conservative or believe in the constitution if you are willing to violate it when there is something that you do not agree with within it. The process needs to be changed but that change MUST come in the form of another amendment, NOT judicial activism or congressional sidestepping. Do not come here and say you defend the constitution and then walk all over it.

I'm not a conservative, more of a moderate when it comes to constitutional issues, but you're absolutely correct. But even most liberals would agree with you here. It's pretty clear across the board the clause says what it says and to change it, you have to tackle it head on and amend it. Sidestepping, ducking and gesturing for the cameras all matter absolutely zilch in the end. And if we ignore or evade our own laws, what does that make us?

Which is where people start disagreeing on the "whether" and the "how", but at least most of us are coming from the same starting point. That's rare enough these days!