An Excellent Post On Right Wing Hypocrisy

[Goodoledays]

Black Label sure started a very stupid thread by making a very stupid argument. I wonder how many other morons actually believe the NRA is empowered to make policy in America... Every time I think they've hit the bottom where stupidity is concerned... They come up with threads like this one, and the bar sinks even lower.

The point being is if Obama presented to the table to spend 18 billion dollars to put armed security in every school, the right wing trolls would have gone ballistic claiming Obama wants to spend even more for his marxist/communist/socialist, huge government police state takeover.
Though when the NRA nuts propose doing this, the GOP clowns are silent, and even think it's a good idea.

Well Black...you have just proved how you lefties never really pay attention to whats really going on. Yes...many have proposed doing such a thing but with ideas such as leaving it up to the states not the Feds. Another thing is getting many retired policeman and military vets with experience to voluteer to help out with this situtation. Many of them want to do this.

Its really the nitwit leader and his admin. are the ones that are ignoring this and don't give a * * * * about it at all. You got to get the blinds off and realize that its the left that don't want to work with the right in solveing this issue we have. So wake up.

 

[Dot Com]

Black Label sure started a very stupid thread by making a very stupid argument. I wonder how many other morons actually believe the NRA is empowered to make policy in America... Every time I think they've hit the bottom where stupidity is concerned... They come up with threads like this one, and the bar sinks even lower.

The point being is if Obama presented to the table to spend 18 billion dollars to put armed security in every school, the right wing trolls would have gone ballistic claiming Obama wants to spend even more for his marxist/communist/socialist, huge government police state takeover.
Though when the NRA nuts propose doing this, the GOP clowns are silent, and even think it's a good idea.

Can't even turn @ these days w/o bumping into ANOTHER big government idea put forward by a conservative

This Steve Marmel needs to learn about it before he puts up stupid comments like this one.

First - it will not cost the Feds any money, nor does it require congress to do anything.
Second- The NRA is funding a team to design a program to get armed security personnel on school grounds across the country.
Third - it will require certified & very qualified volunteers.
Each School district will work out their own details whether they want to pay the volunteers or not.

link?

 

[FJO]

The "FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT" called for - what? 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 more cops, unpaid for, to guard midnight basketball games for drug-sucking useless punks.

Just to set record straight.

 

[WorldWatcher]

This Steve Marmel needs to learn about it before he puts up stupid comments like this one.

First - it will not cost the Feds any money, nor does it require congress to do anything.
Second- The NRA is funding a team to design a program to get armed security personnel on school grounds across the country.
Third - it will require certified & very qualified volunteers.
Each School district will work out their own details whether they want to pay the volunteers or not.

From the NRA President (12/21/2012):

"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."

NRA​

1. Police Officers are employees not volunteers.

2. The NRA called for whatever Congressional appropriations are necessary to place police officers at ever school.



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[FJO]

Black Label sure started a very stupid thread by making a very stupid argument. I wonder how many other morons actually believe the NRA is empowered to make policy in America... Every time I think they've hit the bottom where stupidity is concerned... They come up with threads like this one, and the bar sinks even lower.

Typical liberal/progressive/Democrat crap.

Forgetting all the while that the liberal equivalent of the NRA, the UNIONS, have everyday access to the White House, got all kinds of favorable exceptions on Obamacare and enjoy legal robbery in all the non-Right-to-work states to steal union dues, to pay for the limousines and private planes of pieces of human dirt like Jimmy Hoffa Jr., Leo Girard and Richard Tramke, or to be recycled to the Democratic Party for future favors, ignoring the working people who were forced into unions would rather have the right to work and support their families.

 

[PredFan]

Do you ever have a thought of your own?

 

[WorldWatcher]

The "FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT" called for - what? 10,000, 100,000, 1,000,000 more cops, unpaid for, to guard midnight basketball games for drug-sucking useless punks.

Just to set record straight.

1,200


Clinton proposed 120-million. Of which 1/2 was to pay for police officers at schools - $60,000,000. At $50,000 per (that's base salary + employer SS portion + employer Medicare portion + State unemployment insurance + Federal unemployment insurance + employer health care) divided into 60,000,000 = 1,200.

There are about 100,000 school buildings in the United States. Clinton did not call for, or propose federal funding of a policeman at each school.



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[PredFan]

Black Label sure started a very stupid thread by making a very stupid argument. I wonder how many other morons actually believe the NRA is empowered to make policy in America... Every time I think they've hit the bottom where stupidity is concerned... They come up with threads like this one, and the bar sinks even lower.

The point being is if Obama presented to the table to spend 18 billion dollars to put armed security in every school, the right wing trolls would have gone ballistic claiming Obama wants to spend even more for his marxist/communist/socialist, huge government police state takeover.
Though when the NRA nuts propose doing this, the GOP clowns are silent, and even think it's a good idea.

Absolute garbage.

How can you be this stupid and still be able to use a computer? That's what baffles me.

 

[peach174]

This Steve Marmel needs to learn about it before he puts up stupid comments like this one.

First - it will not cost the Feds any money, nor does it require congress to do anything.
Second- The NRA is funding a team to design a program to get armed security personnel on school grounds across the country.
Third - it will require certified & very qualified volunteers.
Each School district will work out their own details whether they want to pay the volunteers or not.

From the NRA President (12/21/2012):

"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."

NRA​

1. Police Officers are employees not volunteers.

2. The NRA called for whatever Congressional appropriations are necessary to place police officers at ever school.



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What part of Police right now, stating in Jan. 2013, until the program gets started and running did you not get?
You zeroed in on one part only, without the rest of what he said.

 

[PredFan]

Think of the jobs that will be created when extra police are hired in order to post them at schools?

Libs and especially the OP are mentally deficient. Conservatives are strong on the police, strong on protections, and NOT against ALL government spending. There is smart spending, such as putting armed police in schools. And there is stupid spending like bailing out banks and auto unions, and political payoffs.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I wasn't silent either. I even started a thread blasting him before his speach was done.

Blacklabel is an idiot

 

[WorldWatcher]

This Steve Marmel needs to learn about it before he puts up stupid comments like this one.

First - it will not cost the Feds any money, nor does it require congress to do anything.
Second- The NRA is funding a team to design a program to get armed security personnel on school grounds across the country.
Third - it will require certified & very qualified volunteers.
Each School district will work out their own details whether they want to pay the volunteers or not.

From the NRA President (12/21/2012):

"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."

NRA​

1. Police Officers are employees not volunteers.

2. The NRA called for whatever Congressional appropriations are necessary to place police officers at ever school.



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What part of Police right now, stating in Jan. 2013, until the program gets started and running did you not get?
You zeroed in on one part only, without the rest of what he said.

I zero'd in on the part where the NRA called for Congress to immediately appropriate whatever it costs to but police at every school.

Congressional appropriations cost money, that's what an appropriation is.



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[WorldWatcher]

Think of the jobs that will be created when extra police are hired in order to post them at schools?

Libs and especially the OP are mentally deficient. Conservatives are strong on the police, strong on protections, and NOT against ALL government spending. There is smart spending, such as putting armed police in schools. And there is stupid spending like bailing out banks and auto unions, and political payoffs.

Don't get me wrong PF, I have no problem with putting police at the schools.

However (you knew there would be a "however" right? )...

Right now we are getting a lot of emotional response to a really tragic and horrific event. My fear is that this will go the same way as prison funding in the wake of mandatory sentences, more jail sentences for even more minor crimes, and "3-strikes you're out" type laws. Many backed them because it's sounded like a good "law and order" position, however when it came time to fund prisons to meet the higher inmate population requirements suddenly it was "not in my back yard" and "not don't raise taxes" to pay for the consequences of those decisions.


Right now my school system, were we've had 5-straight years of budget cuts, needs to cut $9,000,000 for next school year. That means we'd have to cut $11,000,000 to fund the 40 new police positions (at $2,000,000) to put one at each school.


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[Katzndogz]

The way to get someone to accept something they would ordinarily reject is to create the circumstance where what they reject becomes necessary.

If someone wanted to put armed guards in schools, they wouldn't put armed guards in schools. They would put gunmen in schools, then the people would demand the armed guards.

 

[peach174]

From the NRA President (12/21/2012):

"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."

NRA​

1. Police Officers are employees not volunteers.

2. The NRA called for whatever Congressional appropriations are necessary to place police officers at ever school.



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What part of Police right now, stating in Jan. 2013, until the program gets started and running did you not get?
You zeroed in on one part only, without the rest of what he said.

I zero'd in on the part where the NRA called for Congress to immediately appropriate whatever it costs to but police at every school.

Congressional appropriations cost money, that's what an appropriation is.



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That is not what he said.
He said to appropriate what ever is necessary, not appropriate whatever it costs.
ap·pro·pri·ate
to set apart for or assign to a particular purpose or use
he meant for congress to assign police to the schools to start in Jan. 2013 until something can be done permanently.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What part of Police right now, stating in Jan. 2013, until the program gets started and running did you not get?
You zeroed in on one part only, without the rest of what he said.

I zero'd in on the part where the NRA called for Congress to immediately appropriate whatever it costs to but police at every school.

Congressional appropriations cost money, that's what an appropriation is.



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That is not what he said.
He said to appropriate what ever is necessary, not appropriate whatever it costs.
ap·pro·pri·ate
to set apart for or assign to a particular purpose or use
he meant for congress to assign police to the schools to start in Jan. 2013 until something can be done permanently.

He said for the Congress to appropriate (as in spend money) to put a police officer at every school starting in January.

Appropriations cost money, therefore it would be federal spending. If you trying to make the spurious claim that his use of "appropration" wasn't about money, read the previous sentence to what was already quoted.

"The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.

I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."​

The NRA was calling for federal appropriations to spend money to fund police at every school because local budgets would not support it.


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[peach174]

I zero'd in on the part where the NRA called for Congress to immediately appropriate whatever it costs to but police at every school.

Congressional appropriations cost money, that's what an appropriation is.



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That is not what he said.
He said to appropriate what ever is necessary, not appropriate whatever it costs.
ap·pro·pri·ate
to set apart for or assign to a particular purpose or use
he meant for congress to assign police to the schools to start in Jan. 2013 until something can be done permanently.

He said for the Congress to appropriate (as in spend money) to put a police officer at every school starting in January.

Appropriations cost money, therefore it would be federal spending. If you trying to make the spurious claim that his use of "appropriation" wasn't about money, read the previous sentence to what was already quoted.

"The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.

I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."​

The NRA was calling for federal appropriations to spend money to fund police at every school because local budgets would not support it.


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Appropriate and appropriations are two different things.
He said to appropriate not to make appropriations.

Appropriate - to assign police to the schools.
Appropriations- to set aside money.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That is not what he said.
He said to appropriate what ever is necessary, not appropriate whatever it costs.
ap·pro·pri·ate
to set apart for or assign to a particular purpose or use
he meant for congress to assign police to the schools to start in Jan. 2013 until something can be done permanently.

He said for the Congress to appropriate (as in spend money) to put a police officer at every school starting in January.

Appropriations cost money, therefore it would be federal spending. If you trying to make the spurious claim that his use of "appropriation" wasn't about money, read the previous sentence to what was already quoted.

"The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.

I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."​

The NRA was calling for federal appropriations to spend money to fund police at every school because local budgets would not support it.


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Appropriate and appropriations are two different things.
He said to appropriate not to make appropriations.

Appropriate - to assign police to the schools.
Appropriations- to set aside money.

Congress cannot "approprate" (as in assign police to schools), that if a function of the local jurisdiction.

To claim that the NRA did not call for Congress to make appropirations (as in spend money) to fund local jurisdiction to hire more police so that they could be assigned to each school is silly. The call was crystal clear.



So you have anything else to add? There is no need to repeat ourselves endlessly when the NRA's own statement speaks for itself. You've been proven wrong, so I'll be the gentleman and let you have the last word.



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[daveman]

I'm not sure what this is about but BlackLabel, I love that avatar

You do know Koch is pronounced "coke", right?

No. You probably don't.

 

[peach174]

He said for the Congress to appropriate (as in spend money) to put a police officer at every school starting in January.

Appropriations cost money, therefore it would be federal spending. If you trying to make the spurious claim that his use of "appropriation" wasn't about money, read the previous sentence to what was already quoted.

"The budget of our local police departments are strained and resources are limited, but their dedication and courage are second to none and they can be deployed right now.

I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school — and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January."​

The NRA was calling for federal appropriations to spend money to fund police at every school because local budgets would not support it.


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Appropriate and appropriations are two different things.
He said to appropriate not to make appropriations.

Appropriate - to assign police to the schools.
Appropriations- to set aside money.

Congress cannot "appropriate" (as in assign police to schools), that if a function of the local jurisdiction.

To claim that the NRA did not call for Congress to make appropriations (as in spend money) to fund local jurisdiction to hire more police so that they could be assigned to each school is silly. The call was crystal clear.



So you have anything else to add? There is no need to repeat ourselves endlessly when the NRA's own statement speaks for itself. You've been proven wrong, so I'll be the gentleman and let you have the last word.



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That is not what he said. He said armed Police officers, he never used the words, the local police,nor did he say military police.
You know that we have Military police that can be assigned to temporary posts in times of peace?
Either way you want to interpret it, he wants Police to have a temporary assignment until we can get a full permanate program up a running.
Seems to me he meant our Military Police, because they could be deployed within days to their assignments.
Your way of thinking, would be much to long in order to get Police in all the schools by the first part of January. First to pass a bill with the money and then to hire more offices. That would not have Police in every School by Jan. when the kids all go back.

Some think that our MP's always look like this with their full gear


They also look like this when they are on duty at our military bases.