An article from 2016 which brilliantly explores 2023’s most pressing issue: The rush to World War III

[MinTrut]

John Pilger wrote this in 2016:

A world war has begun. Break the silence.

In the last eighteen months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two -- led by the United States -- is taking place along Russia's western frontier.

Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.

Ukraine - once part of the Soviet Union - has become a CIA theme park.

Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally.

Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.

This is seldom news in the West, or it is inverted to suppress the truth.

But if you thought the situation in Ukraine was dire, that’s one of only two flash points for nuclear Armageddon:

What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China.

Seldom a day passes when China is not elevated to the status of a "threat". According to Admiral Harry Harris, the US Pacific commander, China is "building a great wall of sand in the South China Sea".

What he is referring to is China building airstrips in the Spratly Islands, which are the subject of a dispute with the Philippines - a dispute without priority until Washington pressured and bribed the government in Manila and the Pentagon launched a propaganda campaign called "freedom of navigation".

What does this really mean?

It means freedom for American warships to patrol and dominate the coastal waters of China. Try to imagine the American reaction if Chinese warships did the same off the coast of California.

The noose is tightening on the planet, as elitist madmen push us ever closer to the unthinkable - a nuclear world war.

In 1947, a series of National Security Council directives described the paramount aim of American foreign policy as "a world substantially made over in [America's] own image".

The ideology was messianic Americanism. We were all Americans. Or else. Heretics would be converted, subverted, bribed, smeared or crushed.

Donald Trump is a symptom of this, but he is also a maverick.

He says the invasion of Iraq was a crime; he doesn't want to go to war with Russia and China.

The danger to the rest of us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton.

She is no maverick.

She embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted "exceptionalism" is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.

Clinton’s 2016 loss unleashed the full force of pro-war state hatred against Trump, as his principled anti-war stance meant that all their best laid plans in Ukraine would be for naught.

They proceeded to use Russia and Ukraine specifically to destroy Trump, perhaps hoping he would buckle.

He did not.

Is there any chance of avoiding global omnicide?

Would Trump’s election in 2024 at least delay it?

What (further) price might he pay for his obstruction?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

The globalists have set their 2030 new world order agenda and billions will die. I hope Im way wrong but I dont see it being stopped. It will be destroyed but not before it is built.

 

[MinTrut]

The globalists have set their 2030 new world order agenda and billions will die. I hope Im way wrong but I dont see it being stopped. It will be destroyed but not before it is built.

I pray you’re wrong, but fear you’re right.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I pray you’re wrong, but fear you’re right.

I hope Im 100 percent wrong.

 

[Donald H]

I pray you’re wrong, but fear you’re right.

It certainly doesn't hurt to ring the alarm bells on nuclear war, but maybe some nuance can be added to the discussion.

America did a lot of careful planning to avoid pushing Russia to the use of nuclear weapons. That's worth a lot of consideration. America's plan for unopposed world hegemony are all for naught if Russia turns to the use of nuclear weapons and the US responds in kind.

Currently Russia is not being hardpressed on continuing the war with only conventional weapons and it appears that Russia can attain the necessary results that way.

So consider that America doesn't want to push Russia to the point at which Putin's hand will be forced to going nuclear. That could possibly be the action by Russia that could lead the whole issue off course.

Still, Russia's use of tactical nuclear weapons would raise the difficult question on whether the US/Nato would attempt to respond in kind. Suffice to say that America doesn't want to tip the balance on the war continuing as it is presently. That's an important point for all to accept. And Russia is so far at least demonstrating that they can afford to cooperate.

There's much more on which to speculate but I'm going to keep it brief until we see if there's any interest in a discussion.

 

[gipper]

It certainly doesn't hurt to ring the alarm bells on nuclear war, but maybe some nuance can be added to the discussion.

America did a lot of careful planning to avoid pushing Russia to the use of nuclear weapons. That's worth a lot of consideration. America's plan for unopposed world hegemony are all for naught if Russia turns to the use of nuclear weapons and the US responds in kind.

Currently Russia is not being hardpressed on continuing the war with only conventional weapons and it appears that Russia can attain the necessary results that way.

So consider that America doesn't want to push Russia to the point at which Putin's hand will be forced to going nuclear. That could possibly be the action by Russia that could lead the whole issue off course.

Still, Russia's use of tactical nuclear weapons would raise the difficult question on whether the US/Nato would attempt to respond in kind. Suffice to say that America doesn't want to tip the balance on the war continuing as it is presently. That's an important point for all to accept. And Russia is so far at least demonstrating that they can afford to cooperate.

There's much more on which to speculate but I'm going to keep it brief until we see if there's any interest in a discussion.

I don’t believe you comprehend the point made in the OP. Nuclear war may be the ultimate goal of the globalists. It might be exactly what the new world order globalists desire. They of course will be safe in their bunkers, while we get incinerated.

We know they’re psychopaths after what they’ve done with the pandemic and fake vaccines, along with their massive slaughter of Ukrainian men to make enormous profits. So, mass murder on an industrial scale is certainly possible.

 

[Donald H]

I don’t believe you comprehend the point made in the OP. Nuclear war may be the ultimate goal of the globalists. It might be exactly what the new world order globalists desire. They of course will be safe in their bunkers, while we get incinerated.

Com on now! Nobody is safe in a bunker and more to the point, nobody wants to spend time in one.

We know they’re psychopaths after what they’ve done with the pandemic and fake vaccines, along with their massive slaughter of Ukrainian men to make enormous profits. So, mass murder on an industrial scale is certainly possible.

You have a point on the slaughter of Ukrainians if you're suggesting the defeat and dismantling of Russia.

Your shit on the covid vaccines is just plain goofy.

 

[gipper]

Com on now! Nobody is safe in a bunker and more to the point, nobody wants to spend time in one.


You have a point on the slaughter of Ukrainians if you're suggesting the defeat and dismantling of Russia.

Your shit on the covid vaccines is just plain goofy.

No way. If you study nuclear effects, you’ll find that survival is very possible. Do you know Japanese survived the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and they weren’t even sheltered underground in hardened structures? Now these elites may have to stay underground for a few months before the radiation subsides, which I suspect they are well prepared to do.

Regarding Ukraine, you clearly aren’t informed. The slaughter of Ukrainian men is on the scale of WWI. Some experts believe up to 500,000 men are dead and wounded. Russia has lost far fewer men. Russia now has a strong military hardened by combat, unlike the US and NATO. Russia is stronger not weaker.

At any rate this provoked proxy war by the West, has failed miserably and has sacrificed Ukraine’s young men. Only psychopaths would do such a thing.

 

[Donald H]

No way. If you study nuclear effects, you’ll find that survival is very possible. Do you know Japanese survived the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and they weren’t even sheltered underground in hardened structures? Now these elites may have to stay underground for a few months before the radiation subsides, which I suspect they are well prepared to do.

I'm not going there with you.

Regarding Ukraine, you clearly aren’t informed. The slaughter of Ukrainian men is on the scale of WWI. Some experts believe up to 500,000 men are dead and wounded. Russia has lost far fewer men. Russia now has a strong military hardened by combat, unlike the US and NATO. Russia is stronger not weaker.

Yes, I know all that. Ritter, Macgregor, Sachs, Kennedy jr., and a growing army of others who are cutting through the bullshit. But why doesn't Russia just go ahead and win the war?

At any rate this provoked proxy war by the West, has failed miserably and has sacrificed Ukraine’s young men. Only psychopaths would do such a thing.

Yeah, I think you're pretty much right on them being psychopaths. Make a note of us being in agreement on the facts on the war.

And you might want to note that there's less and less stomach on this board for sticking to the point on any alternative explanation. They're down to nearly nobody left except for the nutbars.

 

[gipper]

I'm not going there with you.

Yes, I know all that. Ritter, Macgregor, Sachs, Kennedy jr., and a growing army of others who are cutting through the bullshit. But why doesn't Russia just go ahead and win the war?

Yeah, I think you're pretty much right on them being psychopaths. Make a note of us being in agreement on the facts on the war.

And you might want to note that there's less and less stomach on this board for sticking to the point on any alternative explanation. They're down to nearly nobody left except for the nutbars.

My guess is Russia knows if they quickly crush Ukraine, the crazed neocons in DC intervene and nuclear war might result.

 

[MinTrut]

It certainly doesn't hurt to ring the alarm bells on nuclear war, but maybe some nuance can be added to the discussion.

America did a lot of careful planning to avoid pushing Russia to the use of nuclear weapons. That's worth a lot of consideration. America's plan for unopposed world hegemony are all for naught if Russia turns to the use of nuclear weapons and the US responds in kind.

Currently Russia is not being hardpressed on continuing the war with only conventional weapons and it appears that Russia can attain the necessary results that way.

So consider that America doesn't want to push Russia to the point at which Putin's hand will be forced to going nuclear. That could possibly be the action by Russia that could lead the whole issue off course.

Still, Russia's use of tactical nuclear weapons would raise the difficult question on whether the US/Nato would attempt to respond in kind. Suffice to say that America doesn't want to tip the balance on the war continuing as it is presently. That's an important point for all to accept. And Russia is so far at least demonstrating that they can afford to cooperate.

There's much more on which to speculate but I'm going to keep it brief until we see if there's any interest in a discussion.

Really good points; thank you.

 

[g5000]

John Pilger wrote this in 2016:

A world war has begun. Break the silence.

In the last eighteen months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two -- led by the United States -- is taking place along Russia's western frontier.

Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.

Ukraine - once part of the Soviet Union - has become a CIA theme park.

Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally.

Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.

This is seldom news in the West, or it is inverted to suppress the truth.

But if you thought the situation in Ukraine was dire, that’s one of only two flash points for nuclear Armageddon:

What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China.

Seldom a day passes when China is not elevated to the status of a "threat". According to Admiral Harry Harris, the US Pacific commander, China is "building a great wall of sand in the South China Sea".

What he is referring to is China building airstrips in the Spratly Islands, which are the subject of a dispute with the Philippines - a dispute without priority until Washington pressured and bribed the government in Manila and the Pentagon launched a propaganda campaign called "freedom of navigation".

What does this really mean?

It means freedom for American warships to patrol and dominate the coastal waters of China. Try to imagine the American reaction if Chinese warships did the same off the coast of California.

The noose is tightening on the planet, as elitist madmen push us ever closer to the unthinkable - a nuclear world war.

In 1947, a series of National Security Council directives described the paramount aim of American foreign policy as "a world substantially made over in [America's] own image".

The ideology was messianic Americanism. We were all Americans. Or else. Heretics would be converted, subverted, bribed, smeared or crushed.

Donald Trump is a symptom of this, but he is also a maverick.

He says the invasion of Iraq was a crime; he doesn't want to go to war with Russia and China.

The danger to the rest of us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton.

She is no maverick.

She embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted "exceptionalism" is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.

Clinton’s 2016 loss unleashed the full force of pro-war state hatred against Trump, as his principled anti-war stance meant that all their best laid plans in Ukraine would be for naught.

They proceeded to use Russia and Ukraine specifically to destroy Trump, perhaps hoping he would buckle.

He did not.

Is there any chance of avoiding global omnicide?

Would Trump’s election in 2024 at least delay it?

What (further) price might he pay for his obstruction?

I have frequently mentioned how the New Right is sounding more and more like the Old Left.

And now you have gone full Blame America First, comrade.

 

[g5000]

It really is amazing how much the New Right sounds like the Old Left these days. Truly amazing.

This example, for instance. The Old Left used to run around shrieking that Reagan was going to start WWIII. They were little bitches appeasing the Soviet Union.

Useful idiots.

Instead, the Soviet Union collapsed and set back the cause of socialism and communism for decades.

Today, the New Right is running around shrieking that the US is going to start WWIII. They are little bitches appeasing Putin.

Useful idiots.

Instead, Putin's regime is slowly imploding while these fucking traitors are curled up on the floor in a ball.

 

[g5000]

John Pilger wrote this in 2016:

John Pilger is a fucking commie. You should read his articles blaming America for the failure of socialism in Venezuela.

You truly are a useful idiot.

 

[g5000]

You can read Pilger sucking off Hugo Chavez here: THE WAR ON VENEZUELA IS BUILT ON LIES


Fucking idiots.

 

[gipper]

It really is amazing how much the New Right sounds like the Old Left these days. Truly amazing.

This example, for instance. The Old Left used to run around shrieking that Reagan was going to start WWIII. They were little bitches appeasing the Soviet Union.

Useful idiots.

Instead, the Soviet Union collapsed and set back the cause of socialism and communism for decades.

Today, the New Right is running around shrieking that the US is going to start WWIII. They are little bitches appeasing Putin.

Useful idiots.

Instead, Putin's regime is slowly imploding while these fucking traitors are curled up on the floor in a ball.

You clearly know nothing about what has caused this war. Typical dumb liberal.

Of course if Trump did this awful proxy war, you’d be screaming your fool head off.

 

[g5000]

You clearly know nothing about what has caused this war. Typical dumb liberal.

Of course if Trump did this awful proxy war, you’d be screaming your fool head off.

I know exactly what caused this war, comrade.

Putin invaded Ukraine.

Gee, now was that so hard, my little commie friend?

 

[gipper]

I know exactly what caused this war, comrade.

Putin invaded Ukraine.

Gee, now was that so hard, my little commie friend?

Lol. You unknowingly prove you know nothing. Duped all the way.

 

[scruffy]

John Pilger wrote this in 2016:

A world war has begun. Break the silence.

In the last eighteen months, the greatest build-up of military forces since World War Two -- led by the United States -- is taking place along Russia's western frontier.

Not since Hitler invaded the Soviet Union have foreign troops presented such a demonstrable threat to Russia.

Ukraine - once part of the Soviet Union - has become a CIA theme park.

Having orchestrated a coup in Kiev, Washington effectively controls a regime that is next door and hostile to Russia: a regime rotten with Nazis, literally.

Prominent parliamentary figures in Ukraine are the political descendants of the notorious OUN and UPA fascists. They openly praise Hitler and call for the persecution and expulsion of the Russian speaking minority.

This is seldom news in the West, or it is inverted to suppress the truth.

But if you thought the situation in Ukraine was dire, that’s one of only two flash points for nuclear Armageddon:

What makes the prospect of nuclear war even more dangerous is a parallel campaign against China.

Seldom a day passes when China is not elevated to the status of a "threat". According to Admiral Harry Harris, the US Pacific commander, China is "building a great wall of sand in the South China Sea".

What he is referring to is China building airstrips in the Spratly Islands, which are the subject of a dispute with the Philippines - a dispute without priority until Washington pressured and bribed the government in Manila and the Pentagon launched a propaganda campaign called "freedom of navigation".

What does this really mean?

It means freedom for American warships to patrol and dominate the coastal waters of China. Try to imagine the American reaction if Chinese warships did the same off the coast of California.

The noose is tightening on the planet, as elitist madmen push us ever closer to the unthinkable - a nuclear world war.

In 1947, a series of National Security Council directives described the paramount aim of American foreign policy as "a world substantially made over in [America's] own image".

The ideology was messianic Americanism. We were all Americans. Or else. Heretics would be converted, subverted, bribed, smeared or crushed.

Donald Trump is a symptom of this, but he is also a maverick.

He says the invasion of Iraq was a crime; he doesn't want to go to war with Russia and China.

The danger to the rest of us is not Trump, but Hillary Clinton.

She is no maverick.

She embodies the resilience and violence of a system whose vaunted "exceptionalism" is totalitarian with an occasional liberal face.

Clinton’s 2016 loss unleashed the full force of pro-war state hatred against Trump, as his principled anti-war stance meant that all their best laid plans in Ukraine would be for naught.

They proceeded to use Russia and Ukraine specifically to destroy Trump, perhaps hoping he would buckle.

He did not.

Is there any chance of avoiding global omnicide?

Would Trump’s election in 2024 at least delay it?

What (further) price might he pay for his obstruction?

This is not entirely accurate either.

The navigation dispute has to do with a lot more than just the Spratlys.

 

[gipper]

I know exactly what caused this war, comrade.

Putin invaded Ukraine.

Gee, now was that so hard, my little commie friend?

I really hate purposeful ignorance.

Here! This will get you informed Adolph.

If Everyone Understood That The US Deliberately Provoked This War

War is the single worst thing humans do. The most insane. The most cruel. The most destructive. The most traumatic. The least sustainable. Those who knowingly choose to steer humanity into more war when it could be avoided are the worst people in the world, without exception.

And there are mountains of extensively documented evidence that that’s exactly what the drivers of the US-centralized empire did in Ukraine. That’s why so many western analysts and experts spent years warning that the actions of western powers were going to lead Ukraine into disaster, and it’s why US empire managers keep openly boasting about how much their proxy warfare in Ukraine advances US interests. They knowingly steered Ukraine into war to advance their own geostrategic interests while being fully aware that no powerful nation would ever permit the kinds of foreign threats the west was amassing on its borders, and then they intervened in the early days of the war to prevent the outbreak of peace.

If there was widespread awareness of these facts, the US war machine would lose support around the world — not just for its actions in this one war, but for all future wars as well. Which is why so much energy goes into making sure this does not become a widespread understanding.

The official mainstream narrative throughout the western world is that Putin invaded Ukraine solely because he is evil and hates freedom. That’s the actual, literal belief about this war that the western political/media class works to instill in the western public. Anyone who counters this self-evidently ridiculous assessment with facts and evidence gets branded a Russian agent and swarmed with pro-US trolls on social media, and loses all hope of securing a major platform in any mass media.
…from Caitlin Johnstone