America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/op

[francoHFW]

Making 9/11, the stupidest wars ever, a depression, and themselves 273% richer while the country goes to hell. Also making 30% of the country into brainwashed hater/morons...

 

[J.E.D]

Good example of conservative class warfare, they alone are deserving of their possessions, everyone else must be a mooch on their real American overtaxed whiny fat asses. Greed as a virtue, gotta love it when it is put so plainly.

well why don't you tell us why you think you are entitled to the bread someone else has earned and baked? go ahead, it should be interesting.

Shut up, skank

 

[flacaltenn]

All it takes is money and a need that requires satisfaction. The need precedes everything else. If you don't have a market for your product or service, you can have all the capital in the world and you will still fail. Unless, of course....you use your capital to buy your government and create an artificial market.

Having a NEED takes no effort and creates nothing. And a lot of times you don't have a clue what to buy for someone do you? But you go to the mall, and find cool shit that you NEVER EVER imagined. A good entreprenuer can CREATE a need. You don't NEED to buy a 12" cookie with your Family Size Pizza --- do ya?

Outside of consumer market -- which is a LARGE chunk of the marketplace, Average Joe has no fucking idea what kind of new bedside monitor he needs in the hospital. Or what kind of gear your ISP should have. You guys are limiting your thesis to CONSUMER need.

Bullshit. Having a need is what creates a market...that market is what creates the opportunity to make money off of it. Consumer need drives innovation and the ability to pay for those products and services drives the economy.

Not Bullshit.. Your needs only affect the Consumer part of the market and 1/2 the time, you have no idea what you're gonna buy for a birthday.

But when in doubt --- do an experiment..

China was shit poor in the 80s. Only folks with stuff was literally a couple million politically connected people. NEED was rampant. Not much was handed out from Beijing. Wht happened to create a WHOLLY NEW Middle Class and move them into SuperPower status in 30 short years?

Did UNESCO hand each poor soul there a $100 bill? Did the Chinese govt go into massive debt in futile Keynesian attempt to STIMULATE the economy? No.

Outside Capitalists came in and INVESTED HEAVILY in Chinese factories. From all over the world with the INITIAL goal of NOT serving the needs of the Chinese people, but to serve their OWN needs in far off places.

The Chinese govt capitalized on this momentum and invested wisely in the growth of their economy which came from OUTSIDE investment. In many places, like Shenzheng, they had a laissez faire attitude to regulation and control and LET IT HAPPEN.

The middle class grew, and some needs got fulfilled by default based on what OTHERS had decided to supply to them. Their needs were not addressed by what factories made stuff available. UNTIL --- they became a big enough factor to be served directly by AGAIN -- Outside capital being expended to fill their new BOURGEOIS wants and needs.

THe outside capital investment, influx of technology, and training was the KEY spark that drove that development.

Now do the experiment for yourself. All the Castros are dead. You want to serve the Cuban peoples needs and wants. How do you go about it?

Got nothing to do with mere consumer appetites. Or govt stimulation.

You guys ABHOR consumerism anyway dontcha? What's all the noise about "sustainable development" from your side if consumer spending is the primary fuel of advancing economies. Isn't that a little hypocritical? When the leftists are trying to tell Africans (in an economic Imperialist way) that they SHOULDN'T strive for the Western standards of life.

 

[Avatar4321]

there will ne no civil war. That is utter nonesense.

There were people saying that in 1859

 

[Listening]

Making 9/11, the stupidest wars ever, a depression, and themselves 273% richer while the country goes to hell. Also making 30% of the country into brainwashed hater/morons...

FoodStampFranco....

STFU

 

[Avatar4321]

I can't take this anymore.... Have you guys even just thought about running a business, like opening one and what it would take?

Demand creates jobs. No demand, no jobs. No wealthy people. Period.

So Demand created the IPOD? Really? I thought Steve Jobs and Apple invested money into developing it and then advertised it to people showing them what it could do for them. It seems difficult for me to comprehend that Demand created jobs when no one knew what an IPOD was to demand it until someone spent the capital to create one and advertise it to people.

Demand is completely irrelevant until after you have a product or service. It takes money to create those.

 

[Listening]

I can't take this anymore.... Have you guys even just thought about running a business, like opening one and what it would take?

Demand creates jobs. No demand, no jobs. No wealthy people. Period.

So Demand created the IPOD? Really? I thought Steve Jobs and Apple invested money into developing it and then advertised it to people showing them what it could do for them. It seems difficult for me to comprehend that Demand created jobs when no one knew what an IPOD was to demand it until someone spent the capital to create one and advertise it to people.

Demand is completely irrelevant until after you have a product or service. It takes money to create those.

There is actual demand and what is sometimes referred to as "latent demand". Your example falls into the second category.

It is about bringing to market things that people don't demand....until they see it....then they want it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Making 9/11, the stupidest wars ever, a depression, and themselves 273% richer while the country goes to hell. Also making 30% of the country into brainwashed hater/morons...

Can anyone translate these incoherent sentence fragments?

 

[Avatar4321]

Good example of conservative class warfare, they alone are deserving of their possessions, everyone else must be a mooch on their real American overtaxed whiny fat asses. Greed as a virtue, gotta love it when it is put so plainly.

well why don't you tell us why you think you are entitled to the bread someone else has earned and baked? go ahead, it should be interesting.

Shut up, skank

That's all you have? She asked a legitimate question.

Why are you entitled to someone else's labor? Why would you want to make them your slaves?

 

[Listening]

Making 9/11, the stupidest wars ever, a depression, and themselves 273% richer while the country goes to hell. Also making 30% of the country into brainwashed hater/morons...

Can anyone translate these incoherent sentence fragments?

Yes:

Franco had to much to drink and started posting......

That or his depends haven't been changed in a while and he's grouchy because he is getting a rash.

 

[Oddball]

Making 9/11, the stupidest wars ever, a depression, and themselves 273% richer while the country goes to hell. Also making 30% of the country into brainwashed hater/morons...

Can anyone translate these incoherent sentence fragments?

mascale?

 

[Avatar4321]

Making 9/11, the stupidest wars ever, a depression, and themselves 273% richer while the country goes to hell. Also making 30% of the country into brainwashed hater/morons...

Can anyone translate these incoherent sentence fragments?

Yes:

Franco had to much to drink and started posting......

That or his depends haven't been changed in a while and he's grouchy because he is getting a rash.

I need to borrow your Urim and Thimim sometime.

 

[copsnrobbers]

I spoke with a retired professor about this last year.. His take:

Blacks are to lazy to fight and have no money to fund a revolution. They also know they're losers... They don't need us to tell them. So, It won't happen.

As for the Public Unions... they will become dis-organised fools who will have to learn to save for there retirement. We who work and pay taxes are not going to provide them a free ride any longer.

Imagine.. we pay for 25-30 years for morons who accomplished close to nothing working in public service.

Scott Walker, Man of the year 2012!

 

[Avatar4321]

Your retired professor is an idiot.

 

[pvsi.]

On one side are those who create wealth, America’s private sector–the very ones targeted by President Obama’s tax hikes announced Monday.

On the other are the public employee unions; left-leaning intelligentsia who see the growth of government as index of progress; and the millions of Americans now dependent on government through a growing network of government transfer payments, from Medicaid and Social Security to college loans and corporate bailouts and handouts (think GM and Solyndra).

No. on one side are people, and on another side are farts who wish for war.

 

[Listening]

That public sector–state, local, and federal -- now consumes 40% of GDP, compared to 33% just twelve years ago. It’s brought us to the point where 48% of Americans are now on some form of government handout, from 44% when Obama took office–almost a fifth more than during the Reagan years. And too many of them have been programmed to believe they have no future unless the government takes more from the Makers -- precisely what Obama promised on Monday.
So we know which side Obama and the Democratic party are on. Like John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry, ObamaCare has been a wakeup call to what’s at stake–just as the turbulent events in Wisconsin showed how far Democrats are willing to go to win.
We’re not Greece yet -- or on the brink of Bull Run. But it’s time for Romney and Republicans to make clear which side they’re on -- and to make it clear there can’t be government transfer payments, from Medicaid to Social Security, without a strong vibrant private sector to pay for them.
They don’t have to stoop to the Democrats’ tactics. They just have to give our free market, private sector economy the robust defense it deserves.
A country where more Americans go on Social Security disability than get jobs -- as happened last month--can’t stand.


Read more: America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers | Fox News

Obama....President of the takers. Better watch your wallets.

 

[Pho_King]

Sooo, seeing that we have had it your way for a long ass time, when do we get to try something else?

BTW, great job at not answering the question.


Wealthy people create wealth and jobs in many different ways. Personal wealth allows people to invest in ideas they like, or just think will be profitable, or even just for fun... That creates jobs and wealth.

Another way wealthy people create more wealth and jobs is by buying things that interest them, like one of a kind custom boats, cars, planes, musical interments, houses and so on... Things that a company would never make, things a company could never afford to push their limits on because there would otherwise be no profit in doing so and the overhead would kill that project.

The greatest example of wealthy people helping the US and world is in Healthcare, where rich people in America are by definition the reason why all other countries on planet earth are not currently using HC "solutions" that of a third world country of today. Wealthy people can afford to buy HC products that later become affordable by the middle class and lastly Governments around the world, after our poor have access to them. The US still produces something like 40% of the worlds new medicines and that number used to be much higher, before we became a welfare state. Lucky for all the other countries in the world that creating almost all meaningful drugs and surgeries ever discovered is not placed on their shoulders, the cost that our wealthy pay for development would have bankrupted all of these countries overnight, meaning it would have never been discovered.

The US, through wealthy people allows industries to create prototypes, build dreams and in the process offer the chance for others to become wealthy. Almost everything you own was once completely unaffordable by you, do you ever wonder how you own a TV that once would have costed you 10 thousand dollars but now get it for 500$? Or a phone that can play games, has voice recognition, has a HD of 100gig and plays movies in 3D? Here is a guess, it was not created by people on welfare for other people on welfare.

Wealthy people do not "create jobs". Jobs become necessary to fill when people become interested in buying a product.

At that point, in order to make said product, a business requires all kinds of people to make it run.

From the richest investor down to the janitors that clean the place at night.

Buyers of products "create" jobs, if anything.

And certainly the rich have no monopoly on being consumers. Every single individual, from the poorest to the richest is a consumer.

Investors are no more, or less, important to the health of a company than the people that work for that company.

An investor could not "create" anything without demand, and a willing and talented workforce to make the product needed.

In order for that willing and talented workforce to exist, there needs to be a large pool of educated individuals. Therefore the general populace needs teachers.

In addition, in order to transport materials efficiently, etc, there needs to be a viable infrastructure in place. Roads need to be there, railroads, airports, etc etc.

Public Safety is needed to protect the company's assets, as well as firemen, insurance brokers, etc, etc.

All of these things are paid for by the taxpayers. All the taxpayers.

And all of these jobs are performed by "regular Joe" middle class and poor workers.

Therefore, to call investors "the job creators" is absurd.

If your wole point is that the taxpayers are the ones that create jobs, then wouldn't those that pay the most taxes create the most jobs? Your hatred of success is astounding.

 

[Pho_King]

You see, YOUR point is that the rich are the "Job Creators", and everyone else is apparently living off their beneficence.

MY point is that we are all "Job Creators", and that the relationship between rich and poor is one of mutual reliance.

Typical fucking lib. "we are all job creators". Everybody must get a blue ribbon or your panties will tear. Fucking moron.

 

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