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    What Bush and his Neocons are doing to the world at the moment is unforgivable but their actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are the same as that of every American president over the last 50 years, Republican or Democratic.

    Over the last 50 years, America has killed 8 million people and supported, funded, trained, got into power, aided and armed countless dictators and terrorist regimes, including Saddam, Al Quaeda, Pol Pot etc.

    The normal way to go about instigating a regime change in a country is to fund a nearby group of insurgents or militants or a neighbouring government and fight your war by proxy. There are countless examples of this over the last 50 years from Columbia to Cambodia.

    Bush's mistake was being arrogant and ill informed enough to believe that he could really ride into Iraq after 9/11 on a wave of jingoistic flag waving and in full view of the rest of the world enact a pre existing plan to further Pax Americana.

    And yet of course, he almost got away with it, such is the mentality of the American masses. If your memory can stretch back that far, over 60% of the public supported him at the time he went in and it was only as it finally became clear to many of the 'patriotic' Americans that this was one war that would never be won and the body bags started coming home, did the support start to fall to its current level of about 40%.

    If Bush loses and Kerry becomes the next president, nothing will change in the world unless he makes a concerted effort to change America's foreign policy which has remained the same for the last 50 years - that of supporting dictators, terrorist regimes, 'rogue' states etc when it supports them and causing wars, dragging the rest of the world in when they are no longer useful and need to be 'removed'.

    There are plenty of real problems in the world right now, Muslim terrorists being one of them. However, Bush has not addressed this problem, instead he has exacerbated it by invading an innocent country, committing war crimes and mass murder and making it quite clear the real reasons why. He has not made the world a safer place, he has made it an unsafe place and I for one do not wish to spend the next 50 years facing fabricated wars on terror and living in an international air of fear and uncertainty so that American politicians can line their own corporate nests and fu*ck up the world along the way.

    Americans like to talk about the British Empire, but when Britain ruled the world from a tiny island 100 years ago, if you pissed someone off the worst thing they could do was spear your local ambassador.

    There was no worry about chemical weapons, no fear of biological attack, no nightmarish nuclear Armageddon scenario and no fully laden jumbo jets being used as guided missiles.

    The time for global empires is over and America needs to realise that before they bring about WWIII.
     
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    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blah Blah Blah.....Heard all this before!! Find the political race thread and support your fave there!! this is the type of thread that is going to get you more than you asked for!





    Typical response from a typical American sheep. No factual rebuttal, no ability to counter with anything other than blanket denial.

    Classic response.

    If you want to live in a fantasy world and spend your life ignoring facts you can't bear to acknowledge that don't meet your bigoted ignorant narrow minded agenda then log off.

    If you come onto the Internet and into the real world, you'll be forced to meet people who CAN make factual observations about the real world and you'll be put in your place accordingly.
     
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    I'd suggest laying off the attacks if you want to contribute to the board.
     
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    I always had a problem with Bush's rush to war. Hussein was contained and with the international community focused on him, I don't think he would have attacked us or any neighboring countries.
    I also feel that if we had give the UN inspectors until the fall of 2003 to do their job, we might have brought more allies on board with us, and perhaps world opinion may have been on our side. It's also possible those extra months may have shed more light on Iraq's weapons programs and weapons stockpiles.


    Obviously, we can't change what has been done. Now we should transfer power to the Iraqis as soon as possible, and start bringing our troops home.
     
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    Why do you think things would have mysteriously changed after Iraq never fully complied in the first 12 years? Do you really think a few months would make a difference when they thumbed their noses at the UN for the prior 12 years?
     
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    You have a point, but my point was mainly that it was important for us to have world opinion our side, much like George HW Bush did in 1991. Considering we did let Hussein break UN resolutions for 12 years, the extra time likely would not have changed Hussein's attitude, but it may have changed those of our allies.
     
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    We didn't, the U.N. let Hussein break the resolutions. Bush finally put an end to it.
     
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    <<<<<We didn't the U.N. let Hussein bread the resolutions. Bush finally put an end to it.>>>>>


    When I said 'we' I was referring to the allies and the UN collectively. During Clinton's presidency he tried to get the UN to act, but he ran into the same problems Bush faced.
     
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    The forums here are much better than Yahoo, but there is not enough activity. :) You can't have everything, I guess.
     
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    Thank you! I'm sure I'll be active on here in the future. I have started to get sick of the name calling and racism on Yahoo, so maybe this will be a way to have a more intelligent debate.


    One question: How do I quote the message I'm replying to?:D
     
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