All six of CNN's "undecided voters" were Democrat operatives

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    CNN hits bottom and digs: All six debate questioners appear to be Democratic Party operatives. So much for "ordinary people, undecided voters". To paraphrase Junior Soprano, CNN is so far up the DNC's hind end, Howard Dean can taste hair gel.

    In a nutshell, CNN's six "undecided voters" were:

    A Democratic Party bigwig
    An antiwar activist
    A Union official
    An Islamic leader
    A Harry Reid staffer
    A radical Chicano separatist

    Wow. This looks "rather" like a scandal. Hot Air:


    Word on the street is that Hillary's staffers are extremely pleased with CNN's Wolf Blitzer for his softball questioning of Sen. Clinton during Thursday's Las Vegas debate. Blitzer "was outstanding, and did not gang up like Russert did in Philadelphia. He avoided personal attacks, remained professional and ran the best debate so far."

    Who were the questioners upon whom Blitzer called? According to CNN, they were "ordinary people, undecided voters.” Like these folks:

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    Plant #1:
    LaShannon Spencer, whom Blitzer introduced as an "undecided voter", was tagged by Dan Riehl: in truth, she served as the political director of the Democratic Party of Arkansas.

    Plant #2
    : Khalid Kahn, who expressed concern about profiling and the Patriot Act, asked "[m]y question is that -- our civil liberties have been taken away from us. What are you going to do to protect Americans from this kind of harassment?" Classical Values notes that Mr. Kahn is the president of the Islamic Society of Nevada, who has hosted conferences like this one (with guest speakers like Muzzamil Siddiqi). In fact, Kahn in no stranger to CNN, appearing on a show called Keeping the Faith in Sin City.

    Plant #3
    : Suzanne Jackson -- mother of a three-term Iraq war veteran -- is also a well-known antiwar activist. She appeared in the Las Vegas Review Journal protesting -- with a poor monkey, no less -- outside of Harry Reid's office in May. Note: Suzanne Jackson may have been mistaken with Jeannie Jackson, another vet's Mom. See Update IX, below.


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    Plant #4: Maria Luisa -- the UNLV student who asked Hillary Clinton whether she preferred "diamonds or pearls" -- wrote that CNN forced her to ask the "frilly" question instead of a pre-approved query regarding the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste facility.

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    Update: Andy writes to point out the eerie similarities between Maria L. Parra-Sandoval and "Maria Luisa." Regarding Ms. Parra-Sandoval, the UNLV website states:
    In other words, she's not even eligible to vote, unless the Democrats changed the rules when I wasn't looking (Added later: Commenter wjb states that "Maria Parra-Sandoval was sworn in as U.S. a citizen in Las Vegas by Magistrate Judge Lawrence R. Leavitt in March 2006." So presumably she really is eligible to vote).

    Update II: rumors are flying of a fifth plant. An anonymous commenter at Gateway Pundit writes that the "50-ish lady who 'asked" her memorized question was a union offical. Gee, lucky she got in!" Judy Bagley, a 27-year cashier at Fitzgerald's was quoted in RGT Online (a gaming magazine) in an article about Culinary Workers Union Local 226's collective bargaining agreement.

    Update III:
    Judy Bagley was definitely a fifth plant. An anonymous email alerts me to this portion of the debate transcript:
    Update IV: an anonymous email alerts me to a possible sixth and final plant. George Ambriz is an Executive Director of the ¡Sí Se Puede! Foundation and is a recruiter at UNLV. His bio states:
    Care to guess which party's politics George is active in?

    Update V: Andy writes to add some more background on Suzanne ("Jeannie") Jackson. On September 20, 2001, Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA) cast the only vote against the resolution authorizing President Bush to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against anyone associated with the terrorist attacks of September 11th.

    Jeannie Jackson wrote a supportive note on the Mother Jones website. She's active on the site of Soros front group Americans United for Change and hangs out at Dem site Think Progress. She also had a harsh antiwar letter published in the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Andy's snarky question: "Just another undecided voter I guess. Right?"

    Update VI:
    A commenter at LGF provides an insightful summary:

    Wow this is a scandal.

    A Dem activist from Ark
    An anti-war activist
    A union activist
    An Islamic leader
    A Harry Reid staffer

    All being presented by CNN as undecided voters.

    Update VII: An anonymous email alerts us to Kahn's background as a heavy Democratic contributor (e.g., $2000 to Harry Reid earlier this year):

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    Update VIII: Another helpful email points us to lefty blogger Live from Silver City:

    Ambriz was just before my time at WNMU, but I later met him in Las Vegas at a model United Nations conference. Like me, Ambriz was heavily involved in student government and other clubs while at WNMU — he served as president of MEChA...

    What is MEChA?
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    According to this website, "The official national symbol of MEChA is an eagle holding a machete-like weapon and a stick of dynamite... The acronym MEChA stands for Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan... [it] is an Hispanic separatist organization that encourages anti-American activities and civil disobedience... [they] romanticize Mexican claims to the "lost Territories" of the Southwestern United States -- a Chicano country called Aztlan. In its national constitution, MEChA calls for self-determination by its members to liberate Aztlan."

    From all appearances, MEChA wants to overthrow the United States government. The American Patrol has more.

    In a discussion board post, George Ambriz states "my name is George R. Ambriz, former student of Western New Mexico University, more importantly, a former M.E.Ch.A. President... we worked in sync... with the local and state Democratic Party to inform many people about the importance of voting..."

    Update IX: An alert reader notes that Catherine Jackson and Jeannie Jackson -- both Mothers of Iraq War vets -- may have been mistaken for each other by several bloggers, yours truly included. More info to come.

    Update X: A pro-Obama blog links to this story and offers some additional insights:

    A conservative blogger reports that the “Diamonds vs. Pearls” questioner was a former staffer for Nevada Democratic Party Chair, Harry Reid. Reid’s son heads Hillary Clinton’s Nevada campaign.

    LaShannon Spencer, the woman who asked about court judges, is a high-level staffer for the Arkansas Democratic Party and has been so since the 1990s. Bill and Hillary hail from Arkansas.​


    Update XI: It appears CNN has removed Ms. Spencer from their copy of the transcript!

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    Dan Riehl also notes that of 1,000 tickets given to UNLV, a measly one hundred made it to students.

    I'm glad CNN randomly selected ordinary people like you and me. We wouldn't want anyone to think that Hillary was shielded from all of the tough, grueling questions that Tim Russert asked.

    Seriously, it looks like CNN and Hillary's staffers (but I repeat myself) really had this thing rigged from the get-go to avoid a Russert-esque browbeating.

    Hat tip: Larywn. Instapundit, Gateway Pundit and Jammie Wearing Fool were on this from the very start. And even the New York Times is criticizing CNN's Hillary bias.

    Linked by Instapundit, Ace of Spades, American Thinker, Captain's Quarters, Dan Riehl ("you can't spell Clinton without CNN"), Dr. Sanity, Ed Driscoll, Gateway Pundit, Jammie Wearing Fool, Jawa Report, National Review's Campaign Spot, Patterico's Pontifications and Polipundit. Thanks!

    Notes: Captain's Quarters and the NRO are somewhat underwhelmed with the magnitude of the controversy. Frequent commenter jpm100 put it best when he said:

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    Excellent work.

    Anyone surprised?
     
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    They are undecided. They have yet to decide for which Democrat they're going to vote.
     
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    Good work, Einstein!

    Imagine that....democratic voters being asked to judge the performance of democratic candidates in a democratic primary.

    LOL

    What did you expect? That there were going to ask republicans and libertarians to judge Democratic candidates in a primary vote that is conducted and held by democratic voters.

    LOL
     
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    No one was judging anything. This only goes to prove that these candidates refuse to talk to their constituents. They don't want to answer the questions of the voters. They appear to be afraid of us. They appear to be afraid of you. They wouldn't have taken your questions if you had been there. How does that make you feel that one of these politicians that you will probably vote for doesn't give a shit what you think?
     
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    A Dem activist from Ark
    An anti-war activist
    A union activist
    An Islamic leader
    A Harry Reid staffer

    All being presented by CNN as undecided voters.


    Its a democratic primary, voted and decided upon by democratic voters. The opinions of republican voters and libertarians don't matter. It not their primary.

    Its entirely possible that a Union leader, and anti-war activist, and somebody who works on Harry Reids staff are undecided about which democratic candidate they're going to vote for: Obama, Clinton, Edwards, or Richardson. I think you overestimated the scale and reality of this "scandal".

    If your point was that they should have had an average joe six pack voter, then that's a valid point. But, this is hardly the shocking scandal you went to all that effort to portray it as. Sorry.
     
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    I have to agree that it doesn't make a scandal for the Democrats, but rather for CNN. If FOX were to host the Republican debate and call invited audience members 'undecided voters' and it was proven they had ties to specific candidates, well let's just say this would be all over the newspapers and MSM opening segments.
     
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    How does it make YOU feel, that virtually NO politician gives a fuck what the people think?

    You can go to Washington and speak to politicians, you can discuss your personal feelings on issues and what you'd like to see your party's representitives do about it, you can bring signed petitions, you can try and lobby them all you want.

    If you aren't slipping an envelope full of money under the table to them, so to speak, they don't give a fuck.

    I'll admit that this was nice work in figuring this out, but come on though, those people all have faces that SOMEONE would recognize. It almost seems like this was on PURPOSE.

    This isn't a partisan issue, this is just good old dirty political tactics PERIOD.

    Meanwhile, there remains one man up there among ALL candidates in BOTH parties, who continues to speak his mind and say the same thing for the last 30 years, REGARDLESS of what popular opinion is. And HIS opinion is becoming increasingly popular these days.
     
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    82Marine89,
    I find your starting post to be one of my favorites of all time. Great research and detail!

    I sent you a private message.

    Thanks!
     
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    Doug Ross, who is a friend, did the majority of this work. I reposted this from his blog. The rest of the information on this thread came from friends. I can't take credit for his work.
     

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