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IIRC, we had to have Geometry and Algebra II passed to graduate HS.
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I took Algebra in the 8th grade, then took geometry in the 9th, I think. Then I took Algebra again, in h.s. this time.
Math is a language that very few speak, but everyone listens to
I took Algebra in the 8th grade, then took geometry in the 9th, I think. Then I took Algebra again, in h.s. this time.
Ditto for me.
I'm not sure how you can be a functioning member of society without these topics. Both teach you rigorous and logical thought, and both have practicaly applications in every day life.
Its funny, but as I teach things about the Cartesian plane in my classes I reference high school geometry all the time with the students. They get sick of me pushing geometry.
I took Algebra in the 8th grade, then took geometry in the 9th, I think. Then I took Algebra again, in h.s. this time.
Ditto for me.
I'm not sure how you can be a functioning member of society without these topics. Both teach you rigorous and logical thought, and both have practicaly applications in every day life.
Its funny, but as I teach things about the Cartesian plane in my classes I reference high school geometry all the time with the students. They get sick of me pushing geometry.
Pretty much every math course I've taken has some geometry or trig in it.
I went to my daughter's orientation for incoming Freshmen at her high school. They mentioned that new standards required the completion of Algebra and Geometry for High School graduation.
I was surprised. When I went to school we took those courses as prereqs for college. Now, my kids are all pretty good to excellent at math. One of my sons won 12th place in the State Math bowl, and is basically a math genius.
But, what use, actually, is it for many people to know geometry and algebra? Some people struggle in math, in spite of being very capable.
I wonder, also, if High School has not become too college-prep oriented. One of my sons went to Technical College and has done very well in the Refrigeration/Heating/Air Conditioning field, making good money. What about so many other fields of endeavor that our High Schools seem to ignore?
What do you all think of this subject?
We had to have algebra and geometry to graduate from high school when I went...and that was in the 80s.
Algebra and geometry apply themselves to all things. They really do. You don't realize it until you learn them, though, and I'm not good enough to explain it.
What State did you graduate in?
i went to high school in nyc and i took algebra and geometry and had to do regents in both. that might have been the particular program i was in, though. i don't know what the basic requirements were for graduation
The concept of mathematics seems to have been "downgraded" over the years such that today we say "do the math" when we actually mean to "do the arithmetic." This phrase suggests that people are doing mathematics when they do simple adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing, which are just the basics to math, not math at all. It's a little like thinking of astrology as astronomy, or that galaxies might be reachable. it's a failure of the sense of proportion, and proportion is the basis for all sound judgements.
Where we've failed educationally is that students leave school without understanding that fact.
And still, I hear those teachers here in real life and here on the message board who are obviously committed and dedicated educators who despair of doing little more than coping with some of the kids. I blame social engineering that gives kids too many 'rights' as opposed to subjecting them to authority. I blame a society of latchkey kids in which the adults are too busy to get involved in school activities--also some ultra liberal educators who don't WANT parents involved in what they are teaching.
And while I know what the answer is, I don't know how to put it back into the equation. I'm guessing there's somebody out there who does though.
I went to my daughter's orientation for incoming Freshmen at her high school. They mentioned that new standards required the completion of Algebra and Geometry for High School graduation.
I was surprised. When I went to school we took those courses as prereqs for college. Now, my kids are all pretty good to excellent at math. One of my sons won 12th place in the State Math bowl, and is basically a math genius.
But, what use, actually, is it for many people to know geometry and algebra? Some people struggle in math, in spite of being very capable.
I wonder, also, if High School has not become too college-prep oriented. One of my sons went to Technical College and has done very well in the Refrigeration/Heating/Air Conditioning field, making good money. What about so many other fields of endeavor that our High Schools seem to ignore?
What do you all think of this subject?
I don't know what happened to my very coherent post I typed out a few miinutes ago but it isn't there. I HATE when that happens.
But what I was saying is that believe it or not, first year algebra and geometry as well as two years of science were core curriculum when I and my kids were in school. And since I use aspects of all in daily life now, I can't see why such should not be part of basic education. College prep included advanced math and science if your major required it. Mine did not so I focused more on English, history, social studies/government etc. which was more useful for my college major. Kids who were not college bound were able to take any number of vocational classes from typing, shorthand, bookkeeping, shop, etc. etc. that enabled them to find gainful employment after graduation. (I took some of those too so I could put myself through college.) Except for the basic core curriculum of useful subjects, school was not 'one size fits all'.
But dammit, what's so terrible about giving kids basic skills and knowledge and critical thinking skills that they are going to need regardless of what they do after school? Everybody needs basic math skills. Kids these days can't even make change if a register doesn't show them how much to return to the customer. So many are barely literate and as for requirements of reading comprehension and analysis of what they read, forget it. I think that's criminal.
And still, I hear those teachers here in real life and here on the message board who are obviously committed and dedicated educators who despair of doing little more than coping with some of the kids. I blame social engineering that gives kids too many 'rights' as opposed to subjecting them to authority. I blame a society of latchkey kids in which the adults are too busy to get involved in school activities--also some ultra liberal educators who don't WANT parents involved in what they are teaching.
And while I know what the answer is, I don't know how to put it back into the equation. I'm guessing there's somebody out there who does though.
I'm wonder why Algebra and Geometry are considered 'core' courses, but culinary arts, child development, basic carpentry, are not. I believe the latter are really more applicable to daily living.
Also, I'm continually amazed that my teenagers lack certain basic knowledge in Math, Geography, etc, yet all this emphasis on algebra? I got an A in algebra and geometry, but frankly, don't see much use for it for most professions. Yes, it gives one a better understanding of the universe, but in daily living basic Math really does suffice. And, as Foxfyre point out, our young people are often lacking in those basic skills.
I went to my daughter's orientation for incoming Freshmen at her high school. They mentioned that new standards required the completion of Algebra and Geometry for High School graduation.
I was surprised. When I went to school we took those courses as prereqs for college. Now, my kids are all pretty good to excellent at math. One of my sons won 12th place in the State Math bowl, and is basically a math genius.
But, what use, actually, is it for many people to know geometry and algebra? Some people struggle in math, in spite of being very capable.
I wonder, also, if High School has not become too college-prep oriented. One of my sons went to Technical College and has done very well in the Refrigeration/Heating/Air Conditioning field, making good money. What about so many other fields of endeavor that our High Schools seem to ignore?
What do you all think of this subject?
College prep? Algebra and geometry?! Where the hell did YOU go to school? Where I went to school, we began learning geometry in the seventh grade and algebra in the eighth. It was considered basic education. At my local community college, they're considered remedial math, taken by people who don't meet the minimum requirements for the basic general ed courses on their degree program.
What use are they for most people? Gee, I don't know. Ever try to carpet a bedroom and figure out how much you need? Or do you just pay extra to have someone else handle it? I used geometry not that long ago to plan a vegetable garden for my yard. Yeah, I could pay a gardener to do it, but why? And basic algebraic principles are applied every time you work an equation requiring you to find a variable. I do it several times a day without even thinking about it. We're not talking about rocket science here.
I'm wonder why Algebra and Geometry are considered 'core' courses, but culinary arts, child development, basic carpentry, are not. I believe the latter are really more applicable to daily living.
Also, I'm continually amazed that my teenagers lack certain basic knowledge in Math, Geography, etc, yet all this emphasis on algebra? I got an A in algebra and geometry, but frankly, don't see much use for it for most professions. Yes, it gives one a better understanding of the universe, but in daily living basic Math really does suffice. And, as Foxfyre point out, our young people are often lacking in those basic skills.
Bah!
WTF are PARENTS teaching at home?
Get your slaves into the kitchen, and give them a friggin' cook book.
During the summer, have them build a goddamn shed. It may take them THREE MONTHS but wtf, they'll learn the BEST WAY: Trial and error.
I'm wonder why Algebra and Geometry are considered 'core' courses, but culinary arts, child development, basic carpentry, are not. I believe the latter are really more applicable to daily living.
Also, I'm continually amazed that my teenagers lack certain basic knowledge in Math, Geography, etc, yet all this emphasis on algebra? I got an A in algebra and geometry, but frankly, don't see much use for it for most professions. Yes, it gives one a better understanding of the universe, but in daily living basic Math really does suffice. And, as Foxfyre point out, our young people are often lacking in those basic skills.
I'm wonder why Algebra and Geometry are considered 'core' courses, but culinary arts, child development, basic carpentry, are not. I believe the latter are really more applicable to daily living.
Also, I'm continually amazed that my teenagers lack certain basic knowledge in Math, Geography, etc, yet all this emphasis on algebra? I got an A in algebra and geometry, but frankly, don't see much use for it for most professions. Yes, it gives one a better understanding of the universe, but in daily living basic Math really does suffice. And, as Foxfyre point out, our young people are often lacking in those basic skills.
Bah!
WTF are PARENTS teaching at home?
Get your slaves into the kitchen, and give them a friggin' cook book.
During the summer, have them build a goddamn shed. It may take them THREE MONTHS but wtf, they'll learn the BEST WAY: Trial and error.
Unfortunately, many people only know have to heat things up in the microwave these days. We have a whole generation lacking knowledge of the culinary arts.
I went to my daughter's orientation for incoming Freshmen at her high school. They mentioned that new standards required the completion of Algebra and Geometry for High School graduation.
I was surprised. When I went to school we took those courses as prereqs for college. Now, my kids are all pretty good to excellent at math. One of my sons won 12th place in the State Math bowl, and is basically a math genius.
But, what use, actually, is it for many people to know geometry and algebra? Some people struggle in math, in spite of being very capable.
I wonder, also, if High School has not become too college-prep oriented. One of my sons went to Technical College and has done very well in the Refrigeration/Heating/Air Conditioning field, making good money. What about so many other fields of endeavor that our High Schools seem to ignore?
What do you all think of this subject?
College prep? Algebra and geometry?! Where the hell did YOU go to school? Where I went to school, we began learning geometry in the seventh grade and algebra in the eighth. It was considered basic education. At my local community college, they're considered remedial math, taken by people who don't meet the minimum requirements for the basic general ed courses on their degree program.
What use are they for most people? Gee, I don't know. Ever try to carpet a bedroom and figure out how much you need? Or do you just pay extra to have someone else handle it? I used geometry not that long ago to plan a vegetable garden for my yard. Yeah, I could pay a gardener to do it, but why? And basic algebraic principles are applied every time you work an equation requiring you to find a variable. I do it several times a day without even thinking about it. We're not talking about rocket science here.
Hello, you don't need advanced geometry to plan out a vegetable garden. That would require rather basic math learned by 7th grade. Or, are they calling that geometry these days? They didn't inflate things back in my day like they do now.
I'm wonder why Algebra and Geometry are considered 'core' courses, but culinary arts, child development, basic carpentry, are not. I believe the latter are really more applicable to daily living.
Also, I'm continually amazed that my teenagers lack certain basic knowledge in Math, Geography, etc, yet all this emphasis on algebra? I got an A in algebra and geometry, but frankly, don't see much use for it for most professions. Yes, it gives one a better understanding of the universe, but in daily living basic Math really does suffice. And, as Foxfyre point out, our young people are often lacking in those basic skills.
Bah!
WTF are PARENTS teaching at home?
Get your slaves into the kitchen, and give them a friggin' cook book.
During the summer, have them build a goddamn shed. It may take them THREE MONTHS but wtf, they'll learn the BEST WAY: Trial and error.
Unfortunately, many people only know have to heat things up in the microwave these days. We have a whole generation lacking knowledge of the culinary arts.