Alabama Honors Rosa Parks with Rosa Parks Day

[rightwinger]

MLK strongly supported affirmative action to right past wrongs

did he support it going on until the end of time?

Afirmative Action has changed significantly since i started working in the 70s

It has helped all American families

Except ones of the guys passed over for jobs, promotions and contracts because of it.

Poor white males no longer had all the top jobs reserved exclusively for them.

AA helped anyone who was a minority, had a wife, mother or sister.
Basically, everyone

How did AA help me?

How did a scholarship open only to minorities and women help me when my father lost his job when i was in college?

You have a wife, sister, mother or daughter?

All women benefitted

 

[Asclepias]

You dont know? If you dont know why are you claiming he wanted a color blind society? MLK was all for preferential treatment of Blacks in order to level the playing field.

"The closest analogy is the GI Bill of Rights. Negro rehabilitation in America would require approximately the same breadth of program—which would not place an undue burden on our economy. Just as was the case with the returning soldier, such a bill for the disadvantaged and impoverished could enable them to buy homes without cash, at lower and easier repayment terms. They could negotiate loans from banks to launch businesses. They could receive, as did ex-GIs, special points to place them ahead in competition for civil service jobs. Under certain circumstances of physical disability, medical care and long-term financial grants could be made available. And together with these rights, a favorable social climate could be created to encourage the preferential employment of the disadvantaged, as was the case for so many years with veterans. During those years, it might be noted, there was no appreciable resentment of the preferential treatment being given to the special group. America was only compensating her veterans for their time lost from school or from business."
-MLK

That's correcting a wrong, and I doubt it would have been proposed as open ended as it is now.

Still no superiority there.

Who said anything about superiority? Your claim was that he wanted a color blind society. How would his wishes for Blacks having preferential treatment bring that about?

If those policies were enacted permanently it would equate with superiority.

Correcting wrongs is not the same as seeking a permanent advantage, which is what idiots like you usually propose.

Has nothing to do with the point. The point was you claimed MLK wanted a colorblind society and you were wrong.

So he wanted a permanent black advantage over whites in the matters above?

You are confusing method with end result.

Cant tell if he wanted it permanently but that doesnt really change the point you keep trying to avoid. He was not for a colorblind society.

 

[Asclepias]

Afirmative Action has changed significantly since i started working in the 70s

It has helped all American families

Except ones of the guys passed over for jobs, promotions and contracts because of it.

They had their chances with the prior 3 centuries of white only AA.

How is that my fault, and why should I have to pay for that?

Who said it was your fault? Its your ancestors fault.

You should pay for it because you pay taxes. Why should you be exempt?

Sins of the father?

Why should you gain advantage for the suffering of your ancestors?

Yep.

Primarily because my ancestors not only lost their advantage which would have provided for their descendants, their loss enriched the US and provided your ancestors with more advantage..

 

[rightwinger]

Afirmative Action has changed significantly since i started working in the 70s

It has helped all American families

Except ones of the guys passed over for jobs, promotions and contracts because of it.

They had their chances with the prior 3 centuries of white only AA.

How is that my fault, and why should I have to pay for that?

Who said it was your fault? Its your ancestors fault.

You should pay for it because you pay taxes. Why should you be exempt?

Sins of the father?

Why should you gain advantage for the suffering of your ancestors?

Why should you gain an advantage by being a white male?

 

[Pilot1]

Can you imagine if Ralph Kramden was driving that bus? LOL!

 

[martybegan]

did he support it going on until the end of time?

Afirmative Action has changed significantly since i started working in the 70s

It has helped all American families

Except ones of the guys passed over for jobs, promotions and contracts because of it.

Poor white males no longer had all the top jobs reserved exclusively for them.

AA helped anyone who was a minority, had a wife, mother or sister.
Basically, everyone

How did AA help me?

How did a scholarship open only to minorities and women help me when my father lost his job when i was in college?

You have a wife, sister, mother or daughter?

All women benefitted

How so?

My mom went into nursing, a majority women's profession. My sister didn't do college.

 

[martybegan]

That's correcting a wrong, and I doubt it would have been proposed as open ended as it is now.

Still no superiority there.

Who said anything about superiority? Your claim was that he wanted a color blind society. How would his wishes for Blacks having preferential treatment bring that about?

If those policies were enacted permanently it would equate with superiority.

Correcting wrongs is not the same as seeking a permanent advantage, which is what idiots like you usually propose.

Has nothing to do with the point. The point was you claimed MLK wanted a colorblind society and you were wrong.

So he wanted a permanent black advantage over whites in the matters above?

You are confusing method with end result.

Cant tell if he wanted it permanently but that doesnt really change the point you keep trying to avoid. He was not for a colorblind society.

He was eventually.

The preferences were a means to that end.

 

[martybegan]

Except ones of the guys passed over for jobs, promotions and contracts because of it.

They had their chances with the prior 3 centuries of white only AA.

How is that my fault, and why should I have to pay for that?

Who said it was your fault? Its your ancestors fault.

You should pay for it because you pay taxes. Why should you be exempt?

Sins of the father?

Why should you gain advantage for the suffering of your ancestors?

Why should you gain an advantage by being a white male?

What law gives me an advantage solely because I am a white male?

 

[rightwinger]

They had their chances with the prior 3 centuries of white only AA.

How is that my fault, and why should I have to pay for that?

Who said it was your fault? Its your ancestors fault.

You should pay for it because you pay taxes. Why should you be exempt?

Sins of the father?

Why should you gain advantage for the suffering of your ancestors?

Why should you gain an advantage by being a white male?

What law gives me an advantage solely because I am a white male?

Possession is nine tenths of the law

 

[IM2]

Bull

Change took MLK and the Civil Rights movement growing tired of your ilk saying.....just a little more time

MLK was toward the end of the movement, read up on your history a bit.

Yup....
Because MLK finally got results.....that is why it was the end of the movement

Blacks came back from WWI after serving their country expecting equal rights......all they got was a resurgence of the klan

They wanted cIvil rights in the 30s but were told...We are in a Depression we can’t do it now

They wanted civil rights in the 40s and were told can’t do it, we are at war

They came back from WWII after serving their country expecting equal treatment and were told.......get to the back of the bus

Finally in the 50s MLK said we are tired of waiting. Rosa Parks provided the spark

MLK got the credit for the results, and his martyrdom sealed his reputation.

He was a big part of it, but his legacy has gotten puffed up a bit as time has gone on, which always happens with martyrs.

His legacy was never puffed up. But you white racists have made an industry out of misquoting him.

All martyrs legacies get stretched.

And how does one misquote the I have a dream speech? He was looking for a color blind society, not a pity party.

Whites like you do it all the time.

Remember this part of the speech?

"Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

Or how about this?

"We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges."

Or this?

"There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. **We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: "For Whites Only."** We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."

Martin Luther King I Have a Dream Speech - American Rhetoric

Sounds like he was demanding racial justice and complete equality for blacks, not your white fake version that uses a convenient whine for colorblind when you are pressed to face the truth of your current racism, and he certainly was not looking or a mf-ing pity party.

 

[IM2]

They had their chances with the prior 3 centuries of white only AA.

How is that my fault, and why should I have to pay for that?

Who said it was your fault? Its your ancestors fault.

You should pay for it because you pay taxes. Why should you be exempt?

Sins of the father?

Why should you gain advantage for the suffering of your ancestors?

Why should you gain an advantage by being a white male?

What law gives me an advantage solely because I am a white male?

All of them.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

All the cool kids went to the back of the bus, I guess Rosa Parks was a geeky nerd.

 

[IM2]

His legacy was never puffed up. But you white racists have made an industry out of misquoting him.

All martyrs legacies get stretched.

And how does one misquote the I have a dream speech? He was looking for a color blind society, not a pity party.

He wasnt looking for a color blind society you idiot. He was looking for a society where people were not subjected to discrimination based on their race. Damn he even said it in english and you still didnt get it. You white people could fuck up the meaning of a wet dream.

What made you think that someone that had continually said things like he was Black and proud or that the nation needed to do something special for Blacks wanted a color blind society?

You just described a color blind society and made fun of it in the same sentence.

Only someone illiterate would think I just described a color blind society. Do you even know what color blind means?

A color blind society can acknowledge differences without using them as a criteria for anything.

Equality before the law doesn't mean everyone is a clone of everyone else.

Since whites like you have always used color as a criteria, why are you trying to describe something that has never existed here? Why are you trying tp demand others do what whites like you have never done?

 

[IM2]

How can you be in favor of a certain race if you want a color blind society like you claimed?

Favor isn't superiority. blindness doesn't mean ignorant of differences.

It's about color impacting how you treat a person. For example you hate white people, making you a racist fuck.

I don't hate you due to you being black, I hate you because you are a small minded racist asshole.

Youre trying to deflect. Stop stalling and answer the question. Your claim was that MLK wanted a colorblind society. How can that be possible if he was distinctly pro Black and wanted special provisions made for Blacks?

He wanted a society where people were treated equally regardless of color.

What pro black provisions was he looking for?

You dont know? If you dont know why are you claiming he wanted a color blind society? MLK was all for preferential treatment of Blacks in order to level the playing field.

"The closest analogy is the GI Bill of Rights. Negro rehabilitation in America would require approximately the same breadth of program—which would not place an undue burden on our economy. Just as was the case with the returning soldier, such a bill for the disadvantaged and impoverished could enable them to buy homes without cash, at lower and easier repayment terms. They could negotiate loans from banks to launch businesses. They could receive, as did ex-GIs, special points to place them ahead in competition for civil service jobs. Under certain circumstances of physical disability, medical care and long-term financial grants could be made available. And together with these rights, a favorable social climate could be created to encourage the preferential employment of the disadvantaged, as was the case for so many years with veterans. During those years, it might be noted, there was no appreciable resentment of the preferential treatment being given to the special group. America was only compensating her veterans for their time lost from school or from business."
-MLK

That's correcting a wrong, and I doubt it would have been proposed as open ended as it is now.

Still no superiority there.

White racism has been open ended and until that stops AA will be necessary.

 

[rightwinger]

MLK was toward the end of the movement, read up on your history a bit.

Yup....
Because MLK finally got results.....that is why it was the end of the movement

Blacks came back from WWI after serving their country expecting equal rights......all they got was a resurgence of the klan

They wanted cIvil rights in the 30s but were told...We are in a Depression we can’t do it now

They wanted civil rights in the 40s and were told can’t do it, we are at war

They came back from WWII after serving their country expecting equal treatment and were told.......get to the back of the bus

Finally in the 50s MLK said we are tired of waiting. Rosa Parks provided the spark

MLK got the credit for the results, and his martyrdom sealed his reputation.

He was a big part of it, but his legacy has gotten puffed up a bit as time has gone on, which always happens with martyrs.

His legacy was never puffed up. But you white racists have made an industry out of misquoting him.

All martyrs legacies get stretched.

And how does one misquote the I have a dream speech? He was looking for a color blind society, not a pity party.

Whites like you do it all the time.

Remember this part of the speech?

"Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

Or how about this?

"We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges."

Or this?

"There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. **We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: "For Whites Only."** We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."

Martin Luther King I Have a Dream Speech - American Rhetoric

Sounds like he was demanding racial justice and complete equality for blacks, not your white fake version that uses a convenient whine for colorblind when you are pressed to face the truth of your current racism, and he certainly was not looking or a mf-ing pity party.

I liked that line of being an exile in your own country

 

[IM2]

Youre trying to deflect. Stop stalling and answer the question. Your claim was that MLK wanted a colorblind society. How can that be possible if he was distinctly pro Black and wanted special provisions made for Blacks?

He wanted a society where people were treated equally regardless of color.

What pro black provisions was he looking for?

MLK strongly supported affirmative action to right past wrongs

did he support it going on until the end of time?

Afirmative Action has changed significantly since i started working in the 70s

It has helped all American families

Except ones of the guys passed over for jobs, promotions and contracts because of it.

They are not passed over because of AA, they are passed over because the company is still practicing racial discrimination. Learn the difference and stop whining.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Rosa Parks was the central figure in a fraudulent, staged Civil Rights event.

She was never in danger, and isn't a Hero. ....

You never lived in Alabama doing the 50's I see.....

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Black civil rights workers were being lunched throughout the South
Standing up and launching a boycott put her life at risk
Negroes needed to know their place. Rosa Parks did not

Another young black woman refused to give up her seat and few months before Rosa Parks staged event and was arrested.

But since she was thought to be pregnant and was unmarried, the Civil Rights leadership didn't think the teenage girl fit the image the public image the organization wanted to present.

So they hand picked the ringer Rosa Parks, who was the secretary NAACP's local chapter, to be the poster child for the Montgomery bus boycott. ...

Funny how being an NAACP leader didn't stop this man from being murdered

 

[Sunni Man]

You never lived in Alabama doing the 50's I see.....

Did you?? ....

 

[rightwinger]

All the cool kids went to the back of the bus, I guess Rosa Parks was a geeky nerd.

Were you allowed to walk past white people to get to the back
Rosa wasn’t.

Were you forced to give up your seat for a white man?
Rosa was

Rosa paid the same fare for second class treatment