Ahem.... You HusseinCare advocates... You were bragging about UK' nationalized health???

[JoeB131]

That's your claim. Where's your proof?

What you believe is that the workers should get to determine what the one paying them should pay them. Not how it works.

You're not paying. You're voting so the rest of us have to pay for what you want.

Well, that's the thing. When you get right down to it, it's who has the power to enforce their will.

If a majority votes for socialized medicine and fair wages, you guys are pretty much fucked.

 

[JoeB131]

Your problem is that you think it's your place to determine what a PRIVATE business pays someone. It's not. Paying someone that is worth a certain amount that amount is fair unless you're willing to say fair is based on what you, instead of the one doing the paying, thinks is fair.

You have a problem with rich people. It's jealousy because you know you don't have the work ethic or skills to ever get there. It's sad when those who can't or won't have a desire to punish those who can and will through jealousy. We have all kinds. People like me that achieve and people like you that can't hold a job.

Yes, I have a problem with rich people. I have a problem with folks who have far in excess of their needs, but still feel the need to try to take more from people who are just getting by. I simply can't imagine how anyone can be this fucked up in their attitudes in life.

But frankly, if Private businesses were providing the jobs and the prosperity they keep promising us, I'd have no problem leaving them alone. They aren't doing that, so fuck them.

 

[JoeB131]

The point of all the government intervention in the economy is to centralize control of prices and wages. This has nothing to do with "worker's rights", but it IS a form a of class warfare. This is how the privileged class gets control of everything we do.

It's only "Class Warfare" when we fight back.

Oh, shit, they're fighting back. Eeeek. Socialism!!!!

 

[dblack]

He also said we shouldn't have political parties either but you've done a good job puckering up to the Democrats.

I have a problem with anyone that didn't earn something demanding it and expecting it be funded by someone that did earn it.

I have a problem with people who get rich off the labor of others not paying their fair share. So there we are.

I also have a problem with a system that costs twice as much as other countries and produces shitty results because a few people are getting rich off of it.

Your problem is that you think it's your place to determine what a PRIVATE business pays someone. It's not. Paying someone that is worth a certain amount that amount is fair unless you're willing to say fair is based on what you, instead of the one doing the paying, thinks is fair.

You have a problem with rich people. It's jealousy because you know you don't have the work ethic or skills to ever get there. It's sad when those who can't or won't have a desire to punish those who can and will through jealousy. We have all kinds. People like me that achieve and people like you that can't hold a job.

I'll play the gadfly here and point out that you're both wrong. Even if Joe gets his way, it won't be him - it won't be voters - who decide what people get paid and how much things cost. It will be the elite 'central planners' who run the regulatory apparatus (and, of course, their silent partners). It will be the very same banksters and crony capitalists who are currently running the corporations that Joe dreads so much. But in their new role they'll be alleviated of the burden of pleasing customers with quality and low prices, and attracting employees with decent wages, and instead dictate policy by force of law. Much more efficient from the "jackboot" perspective.

 

[Conservative65]

Your problem is that you think it's your place to determine what a PRIVATE business pays someone. It's not. Paying someone that is worth a certain amount that amount is fair unless you're willing to say fair is based on what you, instead of the one doing the paying, thinks is fair.

You have a problem with rich people. It's jealousy because you know you don't have the work ethic or skills to ever get there. It's sad when those who can't or won't have a desire to punish those who can and will through jealousy. We have all kinds. People like me that achieve and people like you that can't hold a job.

Yes, I have a problem with rich people. I have a problem with folks who have far in excess of their needs, but still feel the need to try to take more from people who are just getting by. I simply can't imagine how anyone can be this fucked up in their attitudes in life.

But frankly, if Private businesses were providing the jobs and the prosperity they keep promising us, I'd have no problem leaving them alone. They aren't doing that, so fuck them.

Your problem is thinking it's your place to determine how much someone else needs. I know how you got your attitude. You were indoctrinated to believe something that is none of your business is.

Because you can't keep a job, don't blame those of us that provide them and keep them. Jealousy is what you have.

 

[Conservative65]

The point of all the government intervention in the economy is to centralize control of prices and wages. This has nothing to do with "worker's rights", but it IS a form a of class warfare. This is how the privileged class gets control of everything we do.

It's only "Class Warfare" when we fight back.

Oh, shit, they're fighting back. Eeeek. Socialism!!!!

the problem is you're fighting for people to get something they didn't earn using terms like less fortunate. Someone that didn't finish high school that now can't support themselves isn't less fortunate. They are getting what their actions produced.

 

[Conservative65]

That's your claim. Where's your proof?

What you believe is that the workers should get to determine what the one paying them should pay them. Not how it works.

You're not paying. You're voting so the rest of us have to pay for what you want.

Well, that's the thing. When you get right down to it, it's who has the power to enforce their will.

If a majority votes for socialized medicine and fair wages, you guys are pretty much fucked.

So now a majority can vote to limit someone else's rights? I thought you Liberals said that shouldn't happen. I forgot, it's OK for you to do it but not when it comes to issues Conservatives support. Got it.

 

[JoeB131]

I'll play the gadfly here and point out that you're both wrong. Even if Joe gets his way, it won't be him - it won't be voters - who decide what people get paid and how much things cost. It will be the elite 'central planners' who run the regulatory apparatus (and, of course, their silent partners). It will be the very same banksters and crony capitalists who are currently running the corporations that Joe dreads so much. But in their new role they'll be alleviated of the burden of pleasing customers with quality and low prices, and attracting employees with decent wages, and instead dictate policy by force of law. Much more efficient from the "jackboot" perspective.

If we are living the kind of good lives working folks lived in the 1960s or even the 1990's, I really don't care how we get there.

I mean, you might have this problem with rules, probably since Mrs. Smith in the Second Grade told you that you couldn't pee in the corner, but most of us like living in a well-ordered society.

 

[JoeB131]

So now a majority can vote to limit someone else's rights? I thought you Liberals said that shouldn't happen. I forgot, it's OK for you to do it but not when it comes to issues Conservatives support. Got it.

when did I say that?

There isn't a "Right" to cheat those who do work for you. If you are conducting commerce, it's subject to commerce law. The government already dictates what you can pay people. This really, really isn't even up for debate.

It's just a matter of how far they should go. If you guys played fair, people probably wouldn't look to government for solutions.

 

[JoeB131]

Your problem is thinking it's your place to determine how much someone else needs. I know how you got your attitude. You were indoctrinated to believe something that is none of your business is.

Because you can't keep a job, don't blame those of us that provide them and keep them. Jealousy is what you have.

Guy, as I said, I was a right wing Republican until 2008. Then I realized that when someone decides he can cheat you because "I dont have to deal with a union", you figure out that a working man voting Republican is like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

It had nothing to do with indoctrination, it had to do with experience.

 

[dblack]

I'll play the gadfly here and point out that you're both wrong. Even if Joe gets his way, it won't be him - it won't be voters - who decide what people get paid and how much things cost. It will be the elite 'central planners' who run the regulatory apparatus (and, of course, their silent partners). It will be the very same banksters and crony capitalists who are currently running the corporations that Joe dreads so much. But in their new role they'll be alleviated of the burden of pleasing customers with quality and low prices, and attracting employees with decent wages, and instead dictate policy by force of law. Much more efficient from the "jackboot" perspective.

If we are living the kind of good lives working folks lived in the 1960s or even the 1990's, I really don't care how we get there.

You won't get there by giving up control over your own life.

 

[Skull Pilot]

You say you want people to leave their jobs but you are afraid to because your coworkers are too inept to get along without you.

I didn't say they were too inept. What I am saying is that we are stretched too thin right now to really take another hit to our department. I know that even when I take a week's vacation, things suffer.

You say ALL bosses and business owners are douche bags but you won't start your own business so you can do it right.

Well, I have my own business, as I say. BUt it's just me.

Second, yeah, sorry, After 23 years in the private sector, If I had to list all the managers and supervisors I liked who were decent people, that list would be all of two people.

Believe me your coworkers are competent enough to get along without you. You are not that important to them or your employer

And if you think cutting and pasting shit into boilerplate software is a business you are sorely mistaken.

It's nothing but a part time job. A job you own but a job nonetheless. If it were a business as you say then you could not show up for work and still make money.

 

[paulitician]

Churchill was a great successful man who will be remembered forever.

Actually, he'll be remembered as the guy who tried to prolong the evil British Empire even after most British didn't want to do it. THe only thing that saved him was that Ghandi said, "Okay, we'll save your asses, but we want independence afterwards."

No, he'll always be remembered for being a brave successful hero. But whiny Entitlement douches like you, won't be remembered at all. No one will care when you're gone. No one will know you ever existed. In fact when you are gone, it'll be one less douche stealing from hard working successful Citizens. I assure you, you won't be missed.

 

[Conservative65]

Your problem is thinking it's your place to determine how much someone else needs. I know how you got your attitude. You were indoctrinated to believe something that is none of your business is.

Because you can't keep a job, don't blame those of us that provide them and keep them. Jealousy is what you have.

Guy, as I said, I was a right wing Republican until 2008. Then I realized that when someone decides he can cheat you because "I dont have to deal with a union", you figure out that a working man voting Republican is like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

It had nothing to do with indoctrination, it had to do with experience.

It had to do with you thinking that it's your place to tell someone that owns a business what they have to pay.

ANYONE that relies on a union isn't worth hiring.

 

[Conservative65]

So now a majority can vote to limit someone else's rights? I thought you Liberals said that shouldn't happen. I forgot, it's OK for you to do it but not when it comes to issues Conservatives support. Got it.

when did I say that?

There isn't a "Right" to cheat those who do work for you. If you are conducting commerce, it's subject to commerce law. The government already dictates what you can pay people. This really, really isn't even up for debate.

It's just a matter of how far they should go. If you guys played fair, people probably wouldn't look to government for solutions.

When you said you thought it was your place to determine how much a business you didn't own should pay people and it's OK if a majority vote does that.

When someone gets paid equivalently to what their skills are worth, they aren't getting cheated. If someone's skills, as determined by the one paying, are worth $8/hour and the one paying pays $8/hour, how is the person getting paid being cheated?

You keep using the word fair. Define it objectively.

If people that recieved lesser pay offered skills worth a shit that a monkey couldn't be trained to do offered more, they would get paid more. You blame the business owner when he pays an equivalent wage to the skills when the one offering low skills is the cause. If people didn't feel entitled to something that wasn't theirs, the government wouldn't have to pander to them to get votes.

 

[Conservative65]

Churchill was a great successful man who will be remembered forever.

Actually, he'll be remembered as the guy who tried to prolong the evil British Empire even after most British didn't want to do it. THe only thing that saved him was that Ghandi said, "Okay, we'll save your asses, but we want independence afterwards."

No, he'll always be remembered for being a brave successful hero. But whiny Entitlement douches like you, won't be remembered at all. No one will care when your gone. No one will know you ever existed. In fact when your gone, it'll be one less douche stealing from hard working successful Citizens. I assure you, you won't be missed.

No one cares that he's here now.

 

[paulitician]

Churchill was a great successful man who will be remembered forever.

Actually, he'll be remembered as the guy who tried to prolong the evil British Empire even after most British didn't want to do it. THe only thing that saved him was that Ghandi said, "Okay, we'll save your asses, but we want independence afterwards."

No, he'll always be remembered for being a brave successful hero. But whiny Entitlement douches like you, won't be remembered at all. No one will care when your gone. No one will know you ever existed. In fact when your gone, it'll be one less douche stealing from hard working successful Citizens. I assure you, you won't be missed.

No one cares that he's here now.

Ha, this is true.

 

[Conservative65]

Funny. You know nothing about me. I know that you blame everyone else for your problems and you think everyone and anyone who owns a business and employs people is a douche bag.

You don't know anything about me either. But what I can deduce from your posting is that you really have a lack of empathy, the sign of a true sociopath.

I know that you blame anyone or anything you can when you have problems. That tell me that you are good for nothing else as those who make excuses are rarely good for anything but making excuses.

 

[Conservative65]

Joe is one of those that show up just in time and you better not be looking for him one minute after the clock reads stopping time.

YOu know, I've read that sentence twice and it still doesn't make any sense.

Incidently, I'm salaried. I don't even have to punch a clock. But I'm usually the first on in in the morning and the last one out the door.

It means you provide just the minimum.

You keep saying how good you are yet indicate you can't keep a job and keep moving from place to place. Not a sign of a good employee.

 

[Conservative65]

Joe doesn't want to be a boss because he knows he can't do it. That's why he makes excuses as to why he doesn't WANT to be one. As long as he says he doesn't WANT to, he doesn't have to admit he CAN'T.

Guy, I've been a supervisor. I've been an NCO in the army. What I wasn't was a guy who spent his whole career looking at who I could stab in the back to move up.

What you aren't is someone that can't keep a job. You move around just quickly enough before they figure out just how much of a shitty employee you are.