Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

[ptbw forever]

I would be OK with that if ....

The money to create and maintain those injection sites doesn't come from the taxpayer.

It'd cost the government many times less than the present situation.

Personal addiction .. personal habits of any kind, shouldn't be causing a burden on the taxpayer.

On principle, I oppose both the criminalization of recreational drugs as well as tax-payer funding of any rehab programs.

You oppose criminalization of all drugs? It’s not like addicts are only harming themselves

The criminalization of alcohol in the US for 13-years was based on the exact same argument. The destruction of the family and particularity it's effect on the women and children. The legislation to criminalize alcohol and to give women the vote were inextricably linked. Suffragettes were universally prohibitionists.

During the 13-years where alcohol was illegal in the US, we say an unprecedented rise in gang warfare and violent crime. Families suffered the most as the price of alcohol the drinkers continued to use skyrocketed 1500%. Alcohol related deaths skyrocketed because, to squeeze every cent out of the illegal trade, bootleggers sold liquid poison to their desperate customers who were willing to pay anything for the privilege. Those same bootleggers, from dealing in illegal liquor, became millionaires and it launched the careers of more than a few 20th century politicians.

Since the 'War on Drugs' began in the '70s, American taxpayers shell out $50 Billion a year for the effort to stop illegal drugs. $2.5 TRILLION for 50 year war in which we haven't won a single battle. In fact, at times, the American government was simultaneously fighting drug trafficking and engaging in drug trafficking.

Speaking a human toll of drugs. Millions of otherwise law-abiding US citizens have been incarcerated or received criminal records for partaking of a substance no more noxious than legal alcohol. Our major cities have murder rates comparable to war zones due almost solely to illegal drug trafficking. Our neighbor to the south, Mexico, is a failed state with not a single judge, mayor, federal, state or city official who isn't beholding to drug cartels who enforce their power with murder. All of things things happen are exclusively due to the concept that recreational drugs are illegal.

There isn't a person today who wants to take drugs who isn't already doing so illegally. Legalization wouldn't lead to Scouts and Choir Boys suddenly becoming heroin addicts because it's now legal to do so anymore than the decriminalizing of alcohol led to a rise in alcohol consumption in the US when Prohibition was repealed.

Alcohol still causes all the problems that drugs do despite it being legal, it has just been overtaken and trivialized by the power of drugs. Prohibition was absolutely the best thing to happen for the culture of this country in a long time.

Drug legalization has destroyed the culture of the entire left coast. Plenty of would be scouts and choir boys became druggies because it was the new “cool” thing to do and their parents couldn’t stop it because it was legal.

If slavery or murder was legal today do you think more people would do it, or less? Now factor in how “harmless” drugs are perceived in a society where they are legal and ask that same question.

 

[ptbw forever]

It'd cost the government many times less than the present situation.

Personal addiction .. personal habits of any kind, shouldn't be causing a burden on the taxpayer.

On principle, I oppose both the criminalization of recreational drugs as well as tax-payer funding of any rehab programs.

You oppose criminalization of all drugs? It’s not like addicts are only harming themselves

I agree with him.

It's not like drunks are only harming themselves but criminalizing alcohol made it worse just as criminalizing drugs is making it worse.

We can still prosecute those who do harm to others while letting those who choose to abuse drugs to do so legally and pay the consequences.

Trying to have it both ways has failed long ago.

But that’s also a cost burden on society. If all drugs become legal, more people are going to do them, resulting in more and more crime

That is an assumption with no evidence nor is it very logical.

It turns out that when prohibition ended and alcohol became legal use and abuse of alcohol did not suddenly increase in fact the opposite happened. Of course this did last forever and alcohol consumption and related problems increased dramatically during WWII. However for a few years after legalization there were fewer rates of drunk driving and alcohol related injuries and illnesses.

Some people will do drugs most will not.

What prevents most people from doing so is that we simply know that use leads to bad consequences.

If prohibition would have lasted 100 years you would have seen a dramatic decrease in drunk driving from even its lowest levels.

13 years is nothing when you are talking about laws designed to affect the culture in more subtle ways.

 

[fncceo]

13 years is nothing when you are talking about laws designed to effect the culture in more subtle ways.

The way Prohibition affected the culture of America wasn't so subtle.

 

[ptbw forever]

13 years is nothing when you are talking about laws designed to effect the culture in more subtle ways.

The way Prohibition affected the culture of America wasn't so subtle.

That is just a temporary problem as a result of radical sudden change.

In 60 years kids would be hearing about alcohol from their grandparents if anyone mentioned it at all.

Your argument is as weak as the pro-abortionists.

 

[fncceo]

13 years is nothing when you are talking about laws designed to effect the culture in more subtle ways.

The way Prohibition affected the culture of America wasn't so subtle.

That is just a temporary problem as a result of radical sudden change.

In 60 years kids would be hearing about alcohol from their grandparents if anyone mentioned it at all.

Your argument is as weak as the pro-abortionists.

You might be right. 80 years of drug prohibition in America has made illicit narcotics a thing of the past ... only remembered by our grandparents.

 

[ptbw forever]

13 years is nothing when you are talking about laws designed to effect the culture in more subtle ways.

The way Prohibition affected the culture of America wasn't so subtle.

That is just a temporary problem as a result of radical sudden change.

In 60 years kids would be hearing about alcohol from their grandparents if anyone mentioned it at all.

Your argument is as weak as the pro-abortionists.

You might be right. 80 years of drug prohibition in America has made illicit narcotics a thing of the past ... only remembered by our grandparents.

Drugs are different. You don’t need to worry about getting drunk and doing stupid shit you only occasionally daydream about and you don’t need to worry about kidney failure or even hangovers in most cases.

There are also many different types of drugs. When we outlawed cocaine and Coke stopped using it in their soft drinks you didn’t see a huge spike in cocaine usage, another, softer drug that we were less knowledgeable about took its place.

 

[Deno]

It's been successful in hundreds of cities in Europe and Canada.

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

To fight the opioid crisis, let users shoot up under medical supervision

Annual opioid fatalities have now surpassed the yearly number of deaths from AIDS at the height of that epidemic in the mid-1990s. In 2016 drug overdose deaths numbered 63,000, more than the U.S. death toll from the entire Vietnam War. The trend is terrifying: the problem is getting worse each year.

Cities and states reeling from opioid deaths need to give serious consideration to setting up safe injection rooms, which could significantly reduce fatalities. These are places where a drug user can go to consume illegal drugs under the supervision of health workers. They have been used in Europe, Canada and Australia for decades, and evidence and experience have shown that they are very effective. This may not seem like an obvious way to fight an abuse epidemic, but few other options exist. In the U.S., many cities' efforts to establish such sites have stalled, but now multiple cities have plans to open the country's first officially sanctioned injection sites. Philadelphia expects to do so in 2019. San Francisco, too, hopes to overcome legal and siting obstacles and open its first facilities this year. New York City's mayor has also endorsed setting up multiple sites at current needle-exchange programs.
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Yea Right!

And I’m sure if they wanted to shove a gerbil up

their ass you would be all for that too…………

 

[Political Junky]

It's been successful in hundreds of cities in Europe and Canada.

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

To fight the opioid crisis, let users shoot up under medical supervision

Annual opioid fatalities have now surpassed the yearly number of deaths from AIDS at the height of that epidemic in the mid-1990s. In 2016 drug overdose deaths numbered 63,000, more than the U.S. death toll from the entire Vietnam War. The trend is terrifying: the problem is getting worse each year.

Cities and states reeling from opioid deaths need to give serious consideration to setting up safe injection rooms, which could significantly reduce fatalities. These are places where a drug user can go to consume illegal drugs under the supervision of health workers. They have been used in Europe, Canada and Australia for decades, and evidence and experience have shown that they are very effective. This may not seem like an obvious way to fight an abuse epidemic, but few other options exist. In the U.S., many cities' efforts to establish such sites have stalled, but now multiple cities have plans to open the country's first officially sanctioned injection sites. Philadelphia expects to do so in 2019. San Francisco, too, hopes to overcome legal and siting obstacles and open its first facilities this year. New York City's mayor has also endorsed setting up multiple sites at current needle-exchange programs.
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Yea Right!

And I’m sure if they wanted to shove a gerbil up

their ass you would be all for that too…………

You're still obsessed with anal sex, I see.

 

[Deno]

It's been successful in hundreds of cities in Europe and Canada.

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

To fight the opioid crisis, let users shoot up under medical supervision

Annual opioid fatalities have now surpassed the yearly number of deaths from AIDS at the height of that epidemic in the mid-1990s. In 2016 drug overdose deaths numbered 63,000, more than the U.S. death toll from the entire Vietnam War. The trend is terrifying: the problem is getting worse each year.

Cities and states reeling from opioid deaths need to give serious consideration to setting up safe injection rooms, which could significantly reduce fatalities. These are places where a drug user can go to consume illegal drugs under the supervision of health workers. They have been used in Europe, Canada and Australia for decades, and evidence and experience have shown that they are very effective. This may not seem like an obvious way to fight an abuse epidemic, but few other options exist. In the U.S., many cities' efforts to establish such sites have stalled, but now multiple cities have plans to open the country's first officially sanctioned injection sites. Philadelphia expects to do so in 2019. San Francisco, too, hopes to overcome legal and siting obstacles and open its first facilities this year. New York City's mayor has also endorsed setting up multiple sites at current needle-exchange programs.
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Yea Right!

And I’m sure if they wanted to shove a gerbil up

their ass you would be all for that too…………

You're still obsessed with anal sex, I see.

Homie don't play your libtard game...…

Face it, you libtards are not normal...

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

It’s called natural selection unfortunately. But let’s enable these idiots. It’s not enough that cops are the first responders, administering narcan before EMT can be dispatched. They aren’t supposed to be doing it 3 times a month at the same address. And now these morons are using fentanyl by itself, without the opiates in some cases. And that’s the shit that causes overdoses. And what makes anyone think that they are going to leave the comfort of their own squats to go to a medical facility and shoot up? None of these places are successful. This isn’t success, it’s just furthering people to do nothing to get off this crap. They don’t have a problem, we do. They may not be happy with the lifestyle, but aren’t not happy enough to help themselves. The majority are polysubstance abusers, and will mix combinations of what is available to adjust their high and withdrawal symptoms. If we keep labeling them as victims, they have no reason to change. There is no major solution unfortunately, other than getting crap off of the street and providing treatment and education for those seeking it. Moving drug abuse to acceptable places, doesn’t make it right. There is no right way to do the wrong thing. It still is tragic to lose people. It’s even more depressing to drive around an area and remember houses where people died.


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[Crixus]

It's been successful in hundreds of cities in Europe and Canada.

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

To fight the opioid crisis, let users shoot up under medical supervision

Annual opioid fatalities have now surpassed the yearly number of deaths from AIDS at the height of that epidemic in the mid-1990s. In 2016 drug overdose deaths numbered 63,000, more than the U.S. death toll from the entire Vietnam War. The trend is terrifying: the problem is getting worse each year.

Cities and states reeling from opioid deaths need to give serious consideration to setting up safe injection rooms, which could significantly reduce fatalities. These are places where a drug user can go to consume illegal drugs under the supervision of health workers. They have been used in Europe, Canada and Australia for decades, and evidence and experience have shown that they are very effective. This may not seem like an obvious way to fight an abuse epidemic, but few other options exist. In the U.S., many cities' efforts to establish such sites have stalled, but now multiple cities have plans to open the country's first officially sanctioned injection sites. Philadelphia expects to do so in 2019. San Francisco, too, hopes to overcome legal and siting obstacles and open its first facilities this year. New York City's mayor has also endorsed setting up multiple sites at current needle-exchange programs.
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Who pays for it and who cleans it up? And if we went that far, why not give them the dope to? Not being a smart ass, but I have a hard time believing all those pinheads die from an OD. Much of it is bad drugs to. I could go for that if the facilities are discreet, and out of the way and the IV drug users have to do more then just shoot up, puke, shit on the sidewalk then go about hunting their next score. I just don’t think tax payer money should be used for it.

 

[Political Junky]

It's been successful in hundreds of cities in Europe and Canada.

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

To fight the opioid crisis, let users shoot up under medical supervision

Annual opioid fatalities have now surpassed the yearly number of deaths from AIDS at the height of that epidemic in the mid-1990s. In 2016 drug overdose deaths numbered 63,000, more than the U.S. death toll from the entire Vietnam War. The trend is terrifying: the problem is getting worse each year.

Cities and states reeling from opioid deaths need to give serious consideration to setting up safe injection rooms, which could significantly reduce fatalities. These are places where a drug user can go to consume illegal drugs under the supervision of health workers. They have been used in Europe, Canada and Australia for decades, and evidence and experience have shown that they are very effective. This may not seem like an obvious way to fight an abuse epidemic, but few other options exist. In the U.S., many cities' efforts to establish such sites have stalled, but now multiple cities have plans to open the country's first officially sanctioned injection sites. Philadelphia expects to do so in 2019. San Francisco, too, hopes to overcome legal and siting obstacles and open its first facilities this year. New York City's mayor has also endorsed setting up multiple sites at current needle-exchange programs.
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Who pays for it and who cleans it up? And if we went that far, why not give them the dope to? Not being a smart ass, but I have a hard time believing all those pinheads die from an OD. Much of it is bad drugs to. I could go for that if the facilities are discreet, and out of the way and the IV drug users have to do more then just shoot up, puke, shit on the sidewalk then go about hunting their next score. I just don’t think tax payer money should be used for it.

^^
from the OP, obviously they are supplied safe drugs bought by you.

 

[EverCurious]

I think the tax payer has ultimately /always/ paid for these drugs one way or another. If it's not some tax payer funded EBT paying, then it's some tax payers property being stolen and sold to pay for it.

Legalize and the black market bottom falls out and prices dump, less property crime, auto theft, less jail space needed, maybe gangs dry up too. Build the wall as well and we could /seriously/ clean up American streets. We'd be left with ill-funded "gangs" who basically just run prostitution rings and/or steal cars & TVs. A bit less dangerous variety of criminal because there's not as much money in two-bit thievery and questionable whores. Once we kill the "lifestyle" that gives them enough money to be famous, I suspect many people will be less interested in the whole drug/gang/criminal scene from the word go.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

indeed and live in homeless huts all up and down the streets

and shit wherever they want on the sidewalks

like the do in san fran

great plan

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

It's the harm reduction method. Either embrace the whole model or don't. Don't do it half ass.

It cuts down on HIV and Hep C drastically--which society most often picks up the tab for via taxes.

Also, people need to start recognizing that some of these deaths are suicide. They are trying to kill themselves.

No, this is poking holes into a sinking ship in order to let the water out.

No. The harm reduction method is about harm reduction to the rest of society. Needle exchange programs are simply one piece.

And it plays to encourage more usage. It’s a self-perpetuating and exacerbating concept.

No. They simply keep people from overdosing and that needles are disposed of properly and drop the levels of HIV and Hep C transfers through needle sharing.

This is the same as legal abortion encouraging risky sex.

 

[EverCurious]

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

indeed and live in homeless huts all up and down the streets

and shit wherever they want on the sidewalks

like the do in san fran

great plan

That is a legitimate problem with no easy solutions. However, tacking on /more/ problems, criminal charges and what not, does nothing to get these people off the streets either.

 

[Disir]

It's the harm reduction method. Either embrace the whole model or don't. Don't do it half ass.

It cuts down on HIV and Hep C drastically--which society most often picks up the tab for via taxes.

Also, people need to start recognizing that some of these deaths are suicide. They are trying to kill themselves.

No, this is poking holes into a sinking ship in order to let the water out.

No. The harm reduction method is about harm reduction to the rest of society. Needle exchange programs are simply one piece.

And it plays to encourage more usage. It’s a self-perpetuating and exacerbating concept.

No. They simply keep people from overdosing and that needles are disposed of properly and drop the levels of HIV and Hep C transfers through needle sharing.

This is the same as legal abortion encouraging risky sex.

No, it doesn't.

 

[Disir]

There was never a federal law prohibiting people from drinking. You could even get a prescription for alcohol. Enforcement depended on your location.

 

[longknife]

It's been successful in hundreds of cities in Europe and Canada.

Addicts Should Be Able to Shoot Up Legally in Safe-Injection Facilities

To fight the opioid crisis, let users shoot up under medical supervision

Annual opioid fatalities have now surpassed the yearly number of deaths from AIDS at the height of that epidemic in the mid-1990s. In 2016 drug overdose deaths numbered 63,000, more than the U.S. death toll from the entire Vietnam War. The trend is terrifying: the problem is getting worse each year.

Cities and states reeling from opioid deaths need to give serious consideration to setting up safe injection rooms, which could significantly reduce fatalities. These are places where a drug user can go to consume illegal drugs under the supervision of health workers. They have been used in Europe, Canada and Australia for decades, and evidence and experience have shown that they are very effective. This may not seem like an obvious way to fight an abuse epidemic, but few other options exist. In the U.S., many cities' efforts to establish such sites have stalled, but now multiple cities have plans to open the country's first officially sanctioned injection sites. Philadelphia expects to do so in 2019. San Francisco, too, hopes to overcome legal and siting obstacles and open its first facilities this year. New York City's mayor has also endorsed setting up multiple sites at current needle-exchange programs.
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If you're going to do that, legalize all the drugs, provide quality control, and tax it to pay for the medical costs.

Simple solution.

 

[Disir]

I think the tax payer has ultimately /always/ paid for these drugs one way or another. If it's not some tax payer funded EBT paying, then it's some tax payers property being stolen and sold to pay for it.

Legalize and the black market bottom falls out and prices dump, less property crime, auto theft, less jail space needed, maybe gangs dry up too. Build the wall as well and we could /seriously/ clean up American streets. We'd be left with ill-funded "gangs" who basically just run prostitution rings and/or steal cars & TVs. A bit less dangerous variety of criminal because there's not as much money in two-bit thievery and questionable whores. Once we kill the "lifestyle" that gives them enough money to be famous, I suspect many people will be less interested in the whole drug/gang/criminal scene from the word go.

The black market would still exist just as it does for marijuana. You get a better quality and pay less from the street.