ACORN - Not a Bad Nut After All

[Yurt]

They investigated everything teh Congress asked them to investigate

yes, but NOT all activities of acorn....and the report, as i pointed out to you earlier, has a bit of....we did not independently verify.....

Because the activities you guys claim have already been debunked.

They were cases where ACORN hired temps and they turned in bad regs to get money from acorn

no they have not been debunked, in fact they are still currently under investigation for other illegal activity

nice try

 

[Yurt]

Please go get these suits you speak of?

some have already bee given in this thread, but as you are too lazy and dishonest to do the homework yourself i took 5 seconds and found this one....read it and weep

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/ACORN_Washington_Settlement.pdf

they paid $25,000 in addition to numerous other items to settle that lawsuit over voter fraud....

yeah, been cleared everytime....simply not true

7 charged with voter registration fraud | KOMO News - Breaking News, Sports, Traffic and Weather - Seattle, Washington | News


Satterberg, Reed and other officials stressed that the defendants were motivated by financial gain rather than any desire to toy with the outcome of an election. They said that in one sense, ACORN was victimized because it paid for voter-registration work that was never performed.

wrong, that is simply spin acorn was victimized....you claime they were cleared of ALL cases....i claimed they settled suits and you asked for proof, i gave you proof they were not cleared and you still can't be honest and admit you were wrong....

i should be surprised, but i'm not

 

[Truthmatters]

Where was the conviction?

They have never been found guilty and now go read the article I gave you

 

[Yurt]

Where was the conviction?

They have never been found guilty and now go read the article I gave you

you said they have ALL been cleared.....now you're going to be dishonest and claim you said conviction....just watch for it

they clearly, haven't all been cleared as they have settled cases, you didn't even know they settled cases, why do you defend that which you don't know anything about? you're not a partisan hack are you?

 

[Truthmatters]

In every investigation that has been completed they have ben cleared of wrongdoing.

Why did Washington state settle with them if they were guilty?

 

[Yurt]

In every investigation that has been completed they have ben cleared of wrongdoing.

Why did Washington state settle with them if they were guilty?

why did acorn pay $25,000 dollars and agree to a string of additional requirements for a number of years if they were cleared?

 

[Truthmatters]

because it was cheaper.

Why were they gone after in the first place when they were the ones who were defrauded?

THE DOJ Scandal fella

 

[Truthmatters]

Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Inspector General Report and Special Prosecutor
On September 29, 2008 the Justice Department's Inspector General (IG) released a report on the matter that found most of the firings were politically motivated and improper. The next day Attorney General Michael Mukasey appointed a special prosecutor, Nora Dannehy, to decide whether criminal charges should be brought against Gonzales and other officials involved in the firings.[45] The IG's report contained "substantial evidence" that party politics drove a number of the firings, and IG Glenn Fine said in a statement that Gonzales had "abdicated his responsibility to safeguard the integrity and independence of the department."[150] The report itself stopped short of resolving questions about higher White House involvement in the matter, because of what it said were the refusal to cooperate of a number of key players, among them Karl Rove, Senator Pete Domenici and Harriet Miers and because the White House refused to hand over its documents related to the firings




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McKay_(attorney)#Career_as_U.S._Attorney_and_dismissal


McKay was appointed United States Attorney by President George W. Bush in October 2001. He had received a positive evaluation seven months before he was dismissed. Among his noteworthy achievements the successful prosecution of terrorist Ahmed Ressam. Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey gave McKay the additional responsibility of overseeing a pilot program for a computer system (called Law Enforcement Information Exchange, or LInX)[1] ; for his success he earned the United States Navy's highest civilian honor.[2].

McKay was widely considered a likely candidate for elevation to the Federal bench when the seat held by Seattle U.S. District Judge John C. Coughenour opened up in 2006. He had been a top litigator, was popular with law enforcement, and a supporter of the Patriot Act. Nonetheless, he received no support from the Republicans on the judicial selection commission and soon found himself removed from his job as U.S. Attorney as well.

The Seattle Times noted in February 2007 that "One of the most persistent rumors in Seattle legal circles is that the Justice Department forced McKay, a Republican, to resign to appease Washington state Republicans angry over the 2004 governor's race. Some believe McKay's dismissal was retribution for his failure to convene a federal grand jury to investigate allegations of voter fraud in the race."[3]

 

[Yurt]

because it was cheaper.

Why were they gone after in the first place when they were the ones who were defrauded?

THE DOJ Scandal fella

they weren't cleared and they weren't the victim....

oh why do i even bother....now you're simply changing the story to get out of being honest and admitting you were wrong...

 

[Truthmatters]

No they were charged for political reasons.


I said every investigation into ACORN found no wrongdoing.

you tried to change what I said.

 

[hjmick]

Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Inspector General Report and Special Prosecutor
On September 29, 2008 the Justice Department's Inspector General (IG) released a report on the matter that found most of the firings were politically motivated and improper. The next day Attorney General Michael Mukasey appointed a special prosecutor, Nora Dannehy, to decide whether criminal charges should be brought against Gonzales and other officials involved in the firings.[45] The IG's report contained "substantial evidence" that party politics drove a number of the firings, and IG Glenn Fine said in a statement that Gonzales had "abdicated his responsibility to safeguard the integrity and independence of the department."[150] The report itself stopped short of resolving questions about higher White House involvement in the matter, because of what it said were the refusal to cooperate of a number of key players, among them Karl Rove, Senator Pete Domenici and Harriet Miers and because the White House refused to hand over its documents related to the firings




John McKay (attorney) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


McKay was appointed United States Attorney by President George W. Bush in October 2001. He had received a positive evaluation seven months before he was dismissed. Among his noteworthy achievements the successful prosecution of terrorist Ahmed Ressam. Deputy Attorney General James B. Comey gave McKay the additional responsibility of overseeing a pilot program for a computer system (called Law Enforcement Information Exchange, or LInX)[1] ; for his success he earned the United States Navy's highest civilian honor.[2].

McKay was widely considered a likely candidate for elevation to the Federal bench when the seat held by Seattle U.S. District Judge John C. Coughenour opened up in 2006. He had been a top litigator, was popular with law enforcement, and a supporter of the Patriot Act. Nonetheless, he received no support from the Republicans on the judicial selection commission and soon found himself removed from his job as U.S. Attorney as well.

The Seattle Times noted in February 2007 that "One of the most persistent rumors in Seattle legal circles is that the Justice Department forced McKay, a Republican, to resign to appease Washington state Republicans angry over the 2004 governor's race. Some believe McKay's dismissal was retribution for his failure to convene a federal grand jury to investigate allegations of voter fraud in the race."[3]

Gerald Walpin.

 

[Yurt]

No they were charged for political reasons.


I said every investigation into ACORN found no wrongdoing.

you tried to change what I said.

really evince, really....you actually have the stupidity to claim i am changing what you said and the stupidity to claim you never said they have been cleared....really....

EVERY TIME they have been investigated they have been cleared.

Why do you refuse facts?

They have been cleared every time.

its actually quite boring to prove your dishonesty time and time again

 

[Truthmatters]

yeap every time they have been investigated they have been cleared.

 

[Yurt]

yeap every time they have been investigated they have been cleared.

good lord, you claim i twisted what you said, now i show you that lied about that, and now you're back to claiming they were cleared when that is factually false as they settled a case and paid $25,000....that means they were not cleared, they settled you nitwit

you're hopeless

 

[gautama]

It was used as a whipping boy to trump up false vote fraud cases by the politizied Bush DOJ.

They refused to prosicute the real fraud and tried to force false cases against ACORN.

You are definitely one of the more idiotic Obamarrhoids.

Absolutely no doubt about it,

Betcha you think that the crazed Pelosi is great.......that's how fucking sick you are.

 

[gautama]

yeap every time they have been investigated they have been cleared.

good lord, you claim i twisted what you said, now i show you that lied about that, and now you're back to claiming they were cleared when that is factually false as they settled a case and paid $25,000....that means they were not cleared, they settled you nitwit

you're hopeless

WOW !!!! Isn't this TRUTHDOESN'TMATTER a La La Land type of an Obamarrhoid Freak ????

She's some sort of a mental disease.

I doubt if she can say ANYTHING without somehow making it wrong and dangerous.

 

[Navy1960]

The Lake County Joint Voter Fraud Task Force has obtained 2 more convictions from voting irregularities which occurred in the 2003 primary election in East Chicago, bringing to 32 the total number of convictions obtained to date. The Northwest Indiana Times writes:


Two more guilty pleas in the 2003 East Chicago primary election bring to 32 the number of voting fraud convictions since the maligned polling took place, prosecutors announced today.
Advance Indiana: More Vote Fraud Convictions In East Chicago


2009
Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Latoya Lewis pled guilty on October 12, 2009 on charges of voter registration fraud. Lewis, who was working for ACORN when she committed the acts in 2008 that led to her guilty plea, said she was trying to "meet her quota as a paid registrar".

2008
In Orange County, Florida, ACORN staffers submitted multiple, duplicate registrations on behalf of six separate voters over this summer. One individual had 21 duplicate applications. Election Supervisor Bill Cowles and his staff protested, noting in a June memo that ACORN had been submitting sloppy forms as well.

The Michigan Secretary of State office told the Detroit Free Press that ACORN had been submitting a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications to vote.

In Lake County, Indiana, election officials discovered "dozens of ACORN-delivered registration forms they believe contain inaccurate voter information, including one in which a dead man from Gary was listed as the applicant." The applications were not processed.

In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Sean Cairncross, the Republican Party's chief lawyer said that ACORN is "engaged in systematic fraud and attempts to undermine our electoral system". This was in the wake of a report that had hired at least seven felons as voter registration workers in the city. As of early October, Milwaukee election officials have referred to the Milwaukee County district attorney’s office 49 cases of people who submitted potentially fraudulent registration cards.

An ACORN employee in West Reading, Pennsylvania, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail

ACORN and voter registration fraud - Ballotpedia

There's no evidence of any such democracy-destroying fraud. Here's what is true: In recent years, ACORN employees have been investigated multiple times for voter registration fraud. ACORN workers have been convicted of submitting false voter registration forms in Colorado Springs in 2005, Kansas City, Mo., in 2006 and King County, Wash., in 2007. ACORN's Las Vegas office was raided by a state criminal investigator on Oct. 7, 2008. ACORN workers are also the subjects of ongoing investigations in Wisconsin, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. The Indiana investigation started in early October and may involve thousands of fraudulent registration forms.

Later in the same Article.....

But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges,
FactCheck.org: ACORN Accusations

So let me see if I understand this, a company or organization now has no responsibility for the actions of it's employee's based on the fact that it has yet to be convicted. So given this new standard if GM designs a car that explodes and kills people it's the employee's fault now and GM has no responsibility, I see, how the new standard is applied. The FACTS are ACORN or whatever they have chosen to call themselves now, has a LONG history of voter fraud cases and CONVICTIONS involving it's employee's and any LEXUS/NEXUS search will show the same as well as countless civil actions that Acorn has been involved in. So spare me this retro-active remake of recent history.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Frank Pentangeli: I don't - I never knew no godfather. I got my own family, senator.

 

[EriktheRed]

My view of ACORN at this point is pretty much in line with that of VAYank's. Even if they're not guilty of the things they've been accused of recently they've shown themselves to be an organization that doesn't entirely have its shit together, either. Not enough to be trusted with gobs of Federal cash, anyway.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Is it just me, or is it the most strident Fabian socialists on this board who have the most disingenuous user names?

yea he should be called "Truthdoesntmatter".....he has been called out in other threads,and just seems to disapear....same will happen here.....